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It's impossible to say how many people genuinely like Ava or simply don't care what she's like as long as Sara's paired with a woman. I'm not saying that's you, but you're honestly the first person I've seen that doesn't find her annoying who wasn't talking her up and shipping her with Sara before seeing anything of her outside of the trailer on the basis of her gender.

Dinah only ever seemed to care about her kids when they were dead, and Quentin and Oliver both seem to have forgotten Sara exists. Quentin didn't even have photos of Sara in his office last season. I don't like that they did it but it was done a long time ago. Might as well honor the fact that Sara's effectively had no one back home who really gives a damn about her for quite some time.

We got that two seasons ago and in the interim the excuse for just flings has been, "Hard to have a relationship while time traveling," which, while bullshit reasoning, she's still doing.

I'm going by the spoilers. Alex has a reaction that is about her and her relationship with Maggie. Sara has no reaction except to give Alex advice. The writers are using Sara for Alex's story and all indications are Sara gets no story out of it. Not to say she gets no story at all, but I'm talking about the hook-up. I already pointed out why I disagree with you on that. You can think what you want, but it doesn't change the fact that this is a negative trope associated with bisexual characters, particularly female ones. Because, from what's been said, it's entirely about Alex this time. Can I ask why you used quotation marks? In any event, as I said earlier, the story with Lindsay was about Sara learning to open up again. Guinevere was used as a mirror for Sara. I thought the whole thing with the Queen was foul, too, and is part of my thinking they've taken to viewing her as a joke, but even that was used to set up Sara's emotional journey from kind of not giving a fuck to having to get serious in Rip's absence. Also, as already stated? None of those instances involved alcohol. And another big difference is those women actually liked Sara and didn't look at their encounters with guilt that Sara then has to be understanding about. And the guilt loops back to my issues with EP commentary, particularly Phil Klemmer's, this messed up crap about someone needing to "make an honest woman out of her." She's not actually been terribly sexually active -- although even if she was, so what? -- but he speaks as though there's something wrong with the way she's been behaving. Meanwhile everyone's been begging for Sara to have something serious, as the way they've written her has increasingly felt biphobic, homophobic and misogynistic for a lot of people. Just because the relationship with her love interest hasn't reached a particular place by the time of the crossover doesn't mean they have to keep doing what's bothered a lot of people in the meantime, and the fact that they are indicates they have no idea what they've been doing wrong in the first place.

Does she? That wasn't the case with Lindsay, neither the Queen of France nor Guinevere -- especially the former -- were shown to be in need of any kind of liberating, and we don't know what really happened in Salem. Regardless, the point is Sara is a fictional character, and bisexual women both real and fictional are subject to hypersexualization enough as it is. Well, no, because if you believe the spoilers at all, we know it's about Alex and Sara is just there in a supporting role so she can work through her Maggie issues. We know nothing of what a single Alex who has accepted her sexuality is like. Drunk sex isn't something we've seen from Sara, either. "All throughout her time on Legends," also isn't true even in regards to her having less worrisome kinds of flirtations and flings. Doesn't make it any better.

It wasn't really about sexual liberation in the usual sense, it was about liberating her from the closet. But more importantly it was about Sara learning to feel again. All of her other hook-ups were also written to be about her. If she's just there to springboard Alex's story, then she is being used to prop Alex. I'm also not sure why Sara actually has to have sex with anyone to help teach them about sexual liberation. It's the same with the jokes about her "spreading" her queerness. Someone comfortable with her sexuality can help others be without being used as the physical vehicle for it. Bi women can have bi friends. These aren't shows that normally have random, meaningless hook-ups. That they use Sara, the bisexual woman, in this manner only is increasingly off-putting, especially in light of EP comments about her sexuality over the past couple seasons. The Legends staff clearly views this aspect of Sara's character as a joke. There's a million better things for Sara to be doing in a crossover, all of which would be about her as much as whoever she interacts with, but instead she's used like this.

Sounds like using Sara as a prop to me.

Constantine in the comics is bi, so I doubt he'd be as biphobic as to incorrectly label a bisexual woman some degree of lesbian as some here feel the need to do.

Are you really referring to Cold trying to force her to ditch the team against her will by threatening her with the Cold Gun while she refused "almost planning on running away together"?

I think Sarah Nicole Jones' tweet should be taken in its full context. While she technically replied to one tweet, she was responding to a longer thread that was less a question of having Sara explicitly called bisexual, and more a condemnation of Mick's erasure of her bisexuality in this week's episode. Here's the whole thing. It's also worth noting that when given the chance to deny she was saying the network wanted Sara's bisexuality erased, SNJ's response was, "I can't say either way." Why couldn't she, if that wasn't the case? There's no reason for her not to have said she was being misinterpreted if she was. It's what one says when they can't come right out and say it's true but also don't want to lie. She also liked a tweet asking The CW to listen to the fans and SNJ and not erase Sara's bisexuality.

We only saw him check a few times, and never for the reason you're implying. His only interest in how his changes affected the timeline was if he'd managed to save his family. On the other hand, we have two examples of him being completely unaware of other major changes until he happened to stumble across the information: The only reason they knew about the Soviet Firestorm program was because they were looking for any known Vandal appearance in history and found a classified document, not because Rip checked for changes to the timeline. He also didn't know that Star City fell in Sara and Ray's absence until they crash-landed in 2046. For all of Rip's complaining about other people on the team casually screwing with time, he has never been shown to care about how his own meddling would affect the timeline outside of whether or not he could change things to his own benefit.

F*** this show and the promo monkeys for their exploitation of bisexual women and lesbians. I'm out.

I like Keto's work and Beth can't write Sara for shit, so I'm happy, too, Hopefully she takes Grainne Godfree with her.

kismet, "sexually fluid" itself is an identification, one Sara has never claimed, either (nor has she ever talked about sexuality being fluid, so when you say she believes that to be the case, you're putting words in her mouth). Why is it okay to call her sexually fluid, but bisexual should be off the table until Sara uses the word? Caity said she told the producers that it was important Sara remain bisexual and that they were all for that. Guggenheim and Berlanti have both explicitly referred to her as bisexual. So Sara is bisexual. Maintaining she's something else is erasure.

Nah, Felicity abandoned Oliver and the city after the second siege.