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1 hour ago, sasha206 said:
Vanessa has to be the most phony contestants I've seen. Please honey you never watched an entire season?
I remember her asking Nick on their first date about why he was doing the show again. So I was initially confused by this as well. But I don't remember if Nick brought up his past Bachelorette stints, or if she did. So I suppose it's possible that she didn't watch. Yeah...not really buying it, either.
2 hours ago, Kbilly said:I can't overstate how much I loved "I'll miss you" "I know"--I just wish Hoxie Han Solo would've walked right out the door after she said it.
LMAO!
I half-watched it last night, but caught it on Hulu this afternoon so I could skip around. And Nick's utter refusal to reassure Vanessa was hysterical to me. For all of the crying he does, he was weirdly smiling at Vanessa when she started crying, and wiping her tears and telling her not to cry. I guess that was his way of comforting her, but you'd think someone so sensitive might be a sympathy crier. Not this guy. It was so bizarre.
2 hours ago, Superpole2000 said:My favourite part of this episode was Chris Harrison's reassuring words to Vanessa as she entered the final rose/engagement room:
- Vanessa: "I'm so nervous!"
- Chris: "You should be."
I usually skip right past Chris and his absurdity, but this was another hilarious moment. I suspected last week that Chris wasn't too keen on Vanessa based on his response to the F3 arriving for the rose ceremony. His response to her nervousness confirmed it. I guess I've just never paid much attention to how he interacts with the women. I caught it this time.
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1 hour ago, scenicbyway said:
I was waiting for Neil Lane to say, "So Nick, the usual? And slide the ring box to him."
Ha!
Don't have much to add, except good luck to Rachel. She's gonna need it.
QuoteI agree, but I also find it funny to say that as during the season everyone claimed they had this awesome chemistry and were meant to be from word one while Nick & Raven didn't have any chemistry. Now Nick & Vanessa are the non-chemistry spokesmodels.
Amusing, indeed.
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Absolutely, but logic has never been a strength of the this franchise.
20 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:I'll watch it when it comes to Netflix. Although, given my love of The Rock, Jason Statham and Michelle Rodriquez. I kind of wouldn't be opposed to getting rid of Dom (I know, never going to happen).
Seconded. I've just never been that deep into the "we're family" stuff from Dom, as I suppose he's the glue. But really, he doesn't need to be around for that to remain true. It's been awhile, but I don't recall missing him in the 2nd film.
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1 hour ago, yorklee2 said:
So as I said before I'm all about fairness. To use Raven for an example when she told her stories about the fight with her ex and her lack of orgasm, while I thought there may have been some producer prodding, I agreed with everyone that those stories were cringe worthy and TMI. Just as I agree that there may have been extra footage with the Vanessa conversation that we were not shown. But I have to wonder where were you the ones, who have made it known they don't like Raven, then to say there was bad editing, she didn't really mean it the way we were shown or even that she was prodded by the producers to reveal it? Bottom line though is she said what she said. Just as Vanessa did. We saw it so why can't we call a spade a spade?
48 minutes ago, ByTor said:Completely agree. Probably an unpopular opinion regarding the bolded part, but I almost wish that show "Unreal" didn't exist, I think there is too much being blamed on producer manipulation. Does it happen? Oh yeah, I definitely think so, but I don't think it's as much as we've been led to believe.
Agreed. There have definitely been cases of manipulated dialogue in this franchise, but that's usually when you hear things in voiceover or the ITM clips which are filmed after a scene. Frankenbiting. So the show implies something by using a person's words, but we don't actually see the person saying it at the time or in the implied context. I didn't perceive that with the conversations between Nick and Vanessa shown in episode 10. Did we see all of it? Most likely not. But viewers are never shown everything discussed. The entire show is edited, beginning to end.
I don't think you have to like or dislike a contestant to objectively verify what a person is shown saying on camera.
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2 hours ago, SherriAnt said:
See, that's funny because I felt like Elisabeth Shue and he had more of a sibling vibe! Ha! And as for Jerry McGuire, he had more chemistry with Cuba Gooding Jr.!
Ha! No argument from me on Jerry Macguire. When I finally saw the film after all of the hype died down, I didn't think he had chemistry with Renee Zellweger, either.
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Funny you should mention that. I watched some of Top Gun a few days ago, and saw zero chemistry between Cruise and Kelly McGillis. I really have no idea what her character saw in his. I haven't seen Cocktail in a long time, but I remember thinking he and Elizabeth Shue had nice chemistry.
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That third pic...my, my, my! The spoiler about her meeting her Bachelors early is a bit odd. Between the super early announcement of Rachel and this, I'm a bit concerned Rachel's season will have even more shenanigans than usual, which is saying something for this franchise. Not sure how I feel about it.
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I don't know...she looked normal in the Atomic Blonde trailer, which I assume she filmed after this one.
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7 hours ago, starri said:
And I know this is a dead horse that I'm still beating, but I still think Gal should look more athletic. I don't need Diana to be Lucy Lawless or Linda Hamilton in Terminator 2, but I don't think she should so waify.
See, I think she should have a similar build to Lucy Lawless or Linda Hamilton (neither were hulked out by any means, but clearly fit). Hell, even Jennifer Garner ala Alias/Daredevil. But more importantly, I have my doubts about Gadot carrying the movie. Maybe she's done some great work that I've just not seen, but she seems bland. There are some really slim actresses who still come across kick-ass (paging Maggie Q), but Gadot ain't one of them for me.
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On 2/2/2017 at 1:41 PM, Bruinsfan said:
Yeah, he'd always seemed a cheerful, friendly geek in interviews I've seen. Maybe the success of the Fast & Furious franchise went to his head? (I can also easily imagine egos clashing between him and Johnson without there actually being a bad guy.)
Didn't he and Paul Walker allegedly clash during the first film? Yes, they became friends later on, but perhaps there's a pattern.
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21 hours ago, Mabinogia said:
The difference for me with Liz is that she was playing Nick. She went on the show not telling him she was, after not speaking to him or reaching out to him for months then, when he looked confused, didn't make any effort to say they knew each other and laughed about tricking him. When Nick showed up on Kaitlyn's season they had discussed it before hand, they had been in contact fairly regularly. He didn't surprise her. It's not that Liz is any more or less fame whorey, I just hated the way she went about it.
If she'd come out of the limo with a big smile, made some kind of gesture or something and walked up all "remember me?" with a laugh, I'd be like, okay, this is weird, but I'll go with it. But she came out testing him, and I hate women who play games like that.
I didn't watch Kaitlyn's season, so I went to Youtube to see if there was available video. According to this, Kaitlyn didn't say she and Nick talked about him coming on the show. Just that they had communicated prior to her season. Kaitlyn seems to downplay their pre-show communication in the clip, so I didn't get the impression that Nick actively pursued her before coming on the show. The video is edited, so perhaps there's additional footage where she confirms that she knew in advance he was coming or that Nick was explicit in wanting to date her before coming on the show.
I thought Nick himself later said that he immediately recognized Liz (in contrast to his earlier voiceover/ITM), so I disagree she was playing him. She didn't show up in a disguise. He was understandably confused about her showing up when she had plenty of time to contact him before the show, and I didn't have a problem with him calling her out. Ultimately, though, I don't see much difference in how Nick and Liz came on the Bachelor/Bachelorette show to "pursue" the lead.
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On 3/8/2017 at 5:22 PM, meep.meep said:
I'm still partial to the Black Sails opening sequence.
I'm not that impressed by the show itself (beyond gorgeous production values), but I rock out every.single.time to the opening credits. Similar experience with season 1 Game of Thrones where I always watched the opening sequence with rapt attention, and then half-watched/multi-tasked during the show itself.
22 hours ago, HunterHunted said:I thought Tyrant had beautiful opening credits. The show was terrible.
And another one where the opening credits are superior to the show.
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Aren't the leads (Bachelor and Bachelorettes) paid for their seasons? Not sure how much Nick got for his. I don't watch DWTS, so not sure how that works, although I'd imagine you make more money the longer you stay. Sean did DWTS as well, and is married to Catherine. So I don't think doing the show is necessarily an indicator of not being serious about the F1.
But going into the season, I never believed Nick was serious about finding someone. He was supposedly still seeing the woman (Jennifer?) from Bachelor in Paradise until right before the announcement. Any other contestant has gotten the side-eye when it was revealed they allegedly dumped someone just before coming on the show.
3 hours ago, yorklee2 said:Now I may give her a pass with a slight side eye if she shows up on BIP but the true test of whether or not she's just basically fame whoring and wasn't really serious is if she continually shows up on the franchise or other reality shows. Kind of like....Nick.
And hey, you can still like Raven if she becomes a four-peater. Nothing wrong with that. I have no issues with Raven, and to an earlier point you made, she seemed to get along with everyone in the house. Heck, Rachel even gave her a note before leaving, right? I don't think Nick is genuine, either, so I'm perfectly okay if these women are pretending for the sake of the show. I didn't watch the WTA, but most seem annoyed by Liz when she's more or less Nick in female form, save the multiple appearances. *shrug*
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I love that "pulling a Mesnick" has dual meanings. But I now understand why the episode thread has suddenly shifted to "he may not even pick Vanessa" when a significant part of previous speculation was that TPTB had edited out the Vanessa/Nick love story to keep people guessing.
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Ha! I can see that. I forgot (no pun intended) that the franchise already did a variation of it with Letty's memory loss.
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1 hour ago, 1992austenlover said:
My theory is that the main reason why she brought that up was to try to gauge Nick's level of commitment to the relationship. I don't want to say that she was testing him in that moment...but I think that she was curious to learn his response. Whether or not she was satisfied with his answer is unclear but she did follow up by telling Nick that she was in love with him so do with that what you will lol. I don't know Vanessa but I do remember her family speaking about how selfless she is in relationships (and how she sacrificed her hopes and dreams in the past) which--though kind of contradictory to how she is being portrayed on the show--makes it seem like she is the kind of person who would be willing to move for a man if the love is real and deep enough for her. But again, it's all very confusing. Like I said earlier, it's very difficult to gauge what is real and what is edited drama on this show.
Different perspectives, for sure. I don't think she was satisfied with his answer. She asked him about moving, and he responded that he couldn't see himself in Canada. I don't like Vanessa, so I don't want to give her the benefit of the doubt. But if I did, I would still believe that once he gave his answer, that should have been it. Yet, she pressed further, wanting to know why he couldn't see himself in Canada. And that's where she annoyed me - why would it matter if you're fine with moving to the US? If Vanessa was the lead, and asking Nick those questions? Totally reasonable. In this context, no.
I don't even like Nick, yet I find myself siding with him in the conversations I've seen because Vanessa often conveys some variation of defensive, accusatory, or stern when she's talking to him. Perhaps it's a subconscious thing. Still, it bugs. ETA: It's also tiring, and probably projection on my part, but even Nick looked tired while they were talking.
In this context, I don't believe the edit was misleading.
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But I never wrote that Vanessa would never move to the US. My comment was:
55 minutes ago, ribboninthesky1 said:That said, I've no sympathy for Vanessa signing on for a show in the US, with a US lead, and having any expectation that said lead would move to Canada. Girl, bye.
That's it. You interpreted that as me stating that Vanessa would never move. As for a real relationship - filming this show doesn't mimic real relationships in the slightest for me. What happens afterwards, sure. We'll see what happens next week.
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29 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:
Except she never expressed said expectation and in fact, when asked before the filming of the season started, because yes, the lead is American, she stated that she would move if she was chosen and fell in love. But that wouldn't make for good edited conflict. I get that people can only comment on what's shown in the episode but even then, I don't think we ever saw Vanessa say she would never move. I really think the discussion was merely to acknowledge if it's something Nick would ever even consider or if it's solely on her to make that change.
So, I'm supposed to go off something Vanessa said before the season started filming? What in the world? I mean, fine, you disagree. But I think being shown having the conversation about Nick's willingness to move to Canada implies some kind of expectation. Otherwise, why even discuss it? If you're fine with moving to the US, and you came on a US show with a US lead...why are you even trying to gauge the lead's willingness to live in Canada? If he brought it up, that's one thing, but SHE brought it to the conversation. I will continue to discuss what happened on the episode, since that is entirely fair and on topic.
QuoteThen why didn't she express any of that in the hot tub conversation with Nick? Yes we don't know what they talk about when the cameras are not around but unless the producers told them to have this super exaggerated conflict scenario than her words and feelings now are quite a bit different. I don't dislike Vanessa but people have a point when they say she should have realistically expected the odds were not in her favor. And that goes for any Canadian contestant.
Exactly. I don't delve too deeply into what's not been shown, as it's impossible for me to know what was left on the cutting room floor. But we saw Vanessa pose the question to Nick - her mouth said the words. This was not a voiceover, or ITM. She asked him. I mean, good grief, now we can't even discuss what's actually shown on the show?
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That three-minute trailer - I've seen the whole movie, save for Dom's motivation for going rogue. Which I assume is some kind of blackmail, either on him or someone in the family. Production budget must have been astronomical, though, even by today's standards.
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51 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:
Don't overlook that they speak French in Montreal. Very scary to a lot of super-proud Americans.
Ha!
1 hour ago, yorklee2 said:http://www.glamour.com/story/the-bachelor-nick-viall-vanessa-grimaldi-raven-gates-overnight-dates
I found a interesting Glamour article with Nick. The link's above but one thing I found interesting was Nick's answer to his statement about being proud to be an American:
Glamour: You said, "I’m a proud American! I don’t know if I see myself in Canada." That's a bold statement when you're considering getting engaged to a Canadian.
NV: I’m very progressive in a lot of ways, but I’m a very proud American. It sounds so corny to say, but I am and have always been very…I’m just so proud. I don’t ever not want to live in America. And Canada is great! I love Canada. A lot of great things in Canada. But…
His statement, "I don't ever not want to live in America" is pretty telling to me. So if he picks her (which seems to be a given) pretty much Vanessa moves to America or it's a no go. I vaguely remember reading something on here about she had went back to teaching after the show finished filming? Which it's possible she's only doing that until the finale airs and then will move down later but she seemed pretty determined to remain in Canada on the fantasy suite date. As another poster said it sounds like this relationship is DOA but it but will be interesting to see how it plays out.
In the episode, Nick also said that he would do anything for the woman he loved. But then, he also seemingly backtracked about the "traditional family" stuff. When he first mentioned it in the hot tub, I didn't perceive it as "hey, your family is traditional, I'm not, and that fascinates me." It sounded more like he was putting Vanessa on notice that he wasn't traditional. But later on, when Vanessa asked him about it again, he was all, "I love that your family is traditional, I'm just not used to it, I'm interested, I like it!" So yeah, double-speak. Personally, I think the whole "I'm proud to be an American" reasoning is bullshit. Not that I doubt that he's a proud American, but as others have mentioned, it's not like Canada is some country on a different continent and utterly foreign culture. Wasn't Kaitlyn also Canadian? I didn't watch her season, so I don't know if they were shown discussing it.
I'm willing to bet if Andi had been Canadian, and he was chosen, he'd be in Canada, at least part-time. He may not be willing to do so for Vanessa, which is a different matter.
But then, I've never seen this honest, open, and sincere Nick that others have, and as mentioned before, I'm unconvinced there's ever been much of a love story with any woman. It's also why I didn't have any problems with Liz coming on the show.
That said, I've no sympathy for Vanessa signing on for a show in the US, with a US lead, and having any expectation that said lead would move to Canada. Girl, bye.
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Interesting theory! On the other hand, I would think that announcing Rachel in addition to whatever "historic" news would have been a nice double whammy to create buzz after the season officially ended. I can't think of the last time there was a memorable ATFR - maybe the Andi/Nick fiance things controversy? Still, a Vanessa pregnancy would be pretty epic, I imagine. Or something like Corinne as having her own show (though I personally couldn't care less about her).
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I haven't really watched the show since episode 6, though I have read the discussion here. Finland is beautiful!
While I do believe Nick really likes Vanessa, I was surprised to observe some of his tense body language and facial expressions during their time together. Thinking back to their conversation about Corinne and the bouncy house, Nick seemed more invested in her thoughts and feelings. Whereas this episode, things seemed to be a lot more tense between them after the fun ice-bath dip. Nick in particular seemed...perturbed at times. If it's like that with cameras around and largely abbreviated time together, I have my doubts. I'll catch the video clips of the Finale/After the Final Rose episode, for sure.
In truth, I wonder if it's more than just wonky editing that made the season a bit of a bust. Maybe there just wasn't much of a love story with anyone that developed.
The side-hug between Vanessa and Rachel made me chuckle. Particularly in contrast to the warm and full-on "we're girlfriends, and I wish you the best" hug between Raven and Rachel. Chile...as frosty as the weather outside.
Didn't watch the WTA - I expected it to be mostly the Corinne show, so I didn't miss anything.
That US Weekly link about Luke and Danielle was particularly interesting because there was video of Luke talking about Nick as the Bachelor (he was asked). He compared him to a ventriloquist, and I died! I saw it before I watched the latest episode, and I can't unsee it. I wasn't a Luke fan during Jojo's season, but he may have more of a sense of humor than I thought. Wonder what his season would have been like. Ah well.
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Didn't give a damn about this movie until I saw the EW cover featuring a wigless Hemsworth. YES. FINALLY.
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On 3/1/2017 at 2:40 PM, proserpina65 said:
I'm not outraged that Casey Affleck won an Oscar. I hadn't seen any of the nominated performances, but judging by everything I'd read about Manchester By The Sea, it seems Affleck gave one hell of a performance and deserved that Oscar. Which, to me, is the applicable criteria. I realize others may disagree.
It seems like most of the outrage towards Affleck was to juxtapose Nate Parker's crash and burn (and thus, Affleck should have met a similar fate). And look, I'm usually all about racial nuances and double standards, but it's much more disturbing to consider that no one would have given a shit about the Affleck allegations if Nate Parker's history and epic fail of a press tour hadn't become front and center last year.
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The Bachelor in the Media
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Thanks - I was referring to the blonde. Alas, I still have no memory of her on the season.