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That has always haunted me - imagine managing to escape from a deranged murderer, only to be delivered right back into his hands by the people who are supposed to be rescuing you. I don't know what the police were thinking in that situation, or what the impact must have been after discovering the truth. It's too horrible to imagine.

I thought that was really odd as well. I've always found the media obsession with the Manson girls very strange, in that Tex Watson always seems to be a footnote. He murdered the most people out of all of the family, yet he's rarely mentioned. Another gripping episode - I just love the scenes featuring the actor who plays Kemper. I have a feeling they've been frantically trying to write extra scenes to sneak in just because he's THAT good in the role. The actor who played Charlie Manson did an amazing job as well. This is also the same actor who briefly appears as Manson in "Once Upon A Time in Hollywood". Re: the theory that Helter Skelter was kind of hogwash - it's the premise of a new book I'm currently reading called "Chaos" by Tom O'Neil. O'Neil posits that there may have been much more going on with the Manson murders than the public was led to believe, and that Vincent Bugliosi covered things up during the trial. It does not paint a flattering picture of Bugliosi at all. It's a twisty bizarre tale - one the author isn't sure he even believes. This 50th anniversary is dredging a bunch of stuff up - must be painful for the victim's families. I KNEW Gunn was up to no good - what a sleaze - and now as suspected, we have a clearer picture of his motives - he's just using the team to burnish his image in front of big wigs. Poor Dr. Carr (and no, she is most definitely not out to anyone at her workplace). The Tenches are in big-time denial about their kid - Mrs. Tench especially. As mentioned above, surely someone at work would have been tipped off about the situation by now.

Good Lord, @Violet Impulse, what an incredibly sad story. That poor girl - her life sounded awful both before and after the murders.

I have never ever heard of this case - especially horrible that he used a youngster to lure others in his age group. They guy playing Elmer Wayne (or oops, JUNIOR) did a fantastic job - very good acting in that scene. Poor Gregg has been proving himself all kinds of useless, not to mention uptight as anything. Wendy did a great job salvaging the interview. The poor Tenches. I kind of felt that was where the show might be heading, but nonetheless, how unbelievably horrifying.

That's definitely the vibe I'm getting. Like he's excited to parachute in and have the glory of this new unit that other people worked to establish reflected back on him. Even with Bill Tench and Dr. Carr sitting on him, I bet Holden will fuck things up royally somehow.

Gripping episode. They're really nailing the actors who are playing the serial killers - the guy playing Berkowitz was great. I had never actually read up on the particulars of the BTK case and had always assumed his crimes were limited to single women - I had no idea that he wiped out entire families. It must have been terrifying living in Wichita in that era, and it took absolutely FOREVER for him to be caught. Decades of him disappearing and then resurfacing ((shudder)). How awful for the kid who survived. The scene with the open back door was super spooky. I wonder where they're going with the murder story involving Tench's wife.

I've heard a lot about this podcast and these particular episodes, so I plan to check it out. For others curious about that era and the strange Hollywood connections to Manson and his followers, I'm reading a new book that just came out entitled "Chaos" by Tom O'Neil. O'Neil was an entertainment reporter who started working for the now defunct Premiere Magazine on a short piece on Manson for the 30th anniversary of the murders. He wound up disappearing down a rabbit hole for two decades investigating the case and finally put his findings in a book. I haven't gotten very far into it yet, but it's intriguing (in a tin-foil hat conspiracy theory way) and may be of interest to people who enjoyed the movie.

This season appears to be off to a good start. I'm much more engaged at the top than I was in the previous season, which I found really draggy. I'm glad the show seems to be focused on the three as a team rather than just Holden, who I dislike. I was glad to see him get a good dressing down. I wonder if he's going to develop an addiction to pills now? So glad his love interest is not a factor this season. Their new boss seems ultra gung-ho, but I'm wondering what he has up his sleeve: is he actually going to be supportive? Or is he just hoping to capture some glory with this new venture? I'm continuing to enjoy the actor who plays Bill Tench, and am curious as to how his family life will fare this season. The opening scene was ultra-creepy - was that supposed to be the BTK's wife entering the house? He was a repairman, so I thought maybe he had gained entry to some random customer's house and started his cross-dressing S&M routine.

For some reason I found that bit hysterically funny. I was rolling at all the blank looks on everyone else's faces. It's the weird throwaway lines that make me laugh the hardest.

Comedic stuff is seriously Pitt's strength - I wish he'd do more of those kinds of roles. He made me laugh out loud playing a stoner dude on the couch in True Romance, (which honestly, probably wasn't much of a stretch). And Leo definitely deserved some awards for Gilbert Grape. He was truly amazing in that role.

So I'm actually working my way backward through the seasons, and have been watching Season 2. I've enjoyed most of the Season 2 Episodes so far, with a couple of exceptions: I found the Walmart couple pretty cringey - it felt like she was much more enamoured of him than he was of her, and he seemed like such an inert lump, I was surprised he actually went through with the elaborate proposal scheme. I did feel bad when the guys were criticizing their couch from Goodwill though. I mean, they BOTH work at Walmart! Jesus guys, what would you expect? They're lucky they can manage living in a trailer. A reminder that the main difference for many of these people and people who outwardly seem to "have it together" boils down to $$$. Normally all of the people featured are so lovable and inspirational, and you want the best for them going forward. But I have now hit a first on this show - an episode with such an unlikeable subject, that I had to turn it off in disgust: Arian the compulsive lying gamer dude. I thought he was a lazy-ass slug and a scammer, and I totally didn't buy that his lying was from anxiety due to high expectations from his immigrant family. I got the impression he had been spoiled and coddled his whole life, and was unused to facing consequences. I did love that Bobby wasn't having any of his bullshit. There are undoubtably so many other deserving people who could have benefited from a Fab 5 visit, I was furious that an episode was wasted on this do-nothing. Posting here 'cause I was dying to comment, and the original Season 2 thread is locked!

This was one of my favourite sequences in the film. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. There was no violence, only the threat of violence looming over the whole scenario, something the Brad Pitt character is initially unaware of, but the audience can see all too well. In my opinion, way more effective than any flamethrower scene. That and Leo DiCaprio's scenes with the little girl on the TV western were the best parts of the entire film (although the Western section should have been edited way the hell down -it dragged on for an eternity). I know a lot of people felt the driving scenes should have also been cut, but I actually enjoyed those, for establishing the period atmosphere of L.A. and the soundtrack tunes.

Yes, I was really wondering if that quote of Sharon's was going to turn up in the film, as it is pretty well publicized, and is a great line. Makes me all the sadder for the real Sharon Tate. And YES to all of this!! This would have been a much better and funnier approach since Pitt's character is so laid back and laconic in other environments. This is the thing that frustrates me about Tarantino, as he often has the initial SEEDS of something interesting his movies, but he veers away reverts to his usual tiresome habits. I remember watching From Dusk 'Til Dawn, and being quite gripped by the first half of the movie - the dynamics of innocent family menaced by bad people, and what happens when ALL of them are menaced by something much worse. But then it just turned into a big boring gore-fest. And that pretty much sums up my opinion of all of his films (Pulp Fiction, and Jackie Brown excepted). Although it was shaggy and meandering, I'd put this one up as one of his better attempts.

I really wanted answers to Pitt's character as well. The fact that something was dangled in front of the audience and then never addressed completely frustrated me, especially because the rumours about him did not fit with his behaviour onscreen. I kept expecting some sort of twist on his mysterious past. Great points above about straights vs. hippies, and the the real relationship between Tate & Polanski (which was apparently not always a happy one). Sorry, I wish I could quote you directly @Proclone, but for some reason I'm not able to copy sections of your post. It sounds like we wanted to see the same things in the film. Basically although it's overlong and rambling, I was quite happy to sit back for the ride and enjoyed it until the final 15 minutes or so when it went full Tarantino. So far opinions on this film seem pretty polarized, but I'm actually on the fence. Oh, and fun fact: I thought "Lancer" the TV Western that DiCaprio's character guest stars on was a fictional show, but it was actually real.

I just saw it this evening, and, well, I didn't hate it as much as his other films. I'll try to comment without spoilerizing too much. It definitely needed editing down. I think a lot of younger viewers might find it especially tedious if they're not familiar with film and TV from that era. I hadn't quite made my debut on planet earth yet in '69, but I grew up watching reruns of the type of stuff DiCaprio's character stars in, so I found the faux recreations of shows from that period amusing and entertaining. There's a an extended sequence of him acting in a Western TV show that I think ran on for much too long - but he had some terrific scenes with a little girl actress who helps boost his sagging confidence (I could have watched a whole movie about those two characters together). Beautiful job of recreating that era in Los Angeles - Sunset Strip, famous restaurants, theatres, beautiful cars, - that stuff I loved. There is a lot of comedic behind-the-scenes stuff going on, and some prominent "spot the famous celebrity" scenes which tickled me - there are several famous folk featured for whom they found absolute dead ringers. Tons of scenes of highway driving which the film will likely get dinged for, but I actually loved them, because that's where the wicked soundtrack kicks in. For the stuff I didn't care for: I would have liked a bit more insight about Brad Pitt's character - there is something left a bit ambiguous in his past, which I found really distasteful, and ruined what otherwise would have been a fairly sympathetic character for me. I wanted to know why he hung in with Leo's character, who it turns out, is oblivious to his circumstances. We spend most of the time with Leo, who is a bumbling self-absorbed goofball. So, probably a pretty accurate depiction of most actors. This being a Tarantino film, the treatment of women is, unsurprisingly, totally appalling and cringe inducing, (even if they are supposed to be villainous). This was my biggest issue. For those wondering, there is extreme gory violence, but it is blessedly brief. You've heard of Chekhov's gun? This film has a version of that, only it has four legs and a wagging tail. Margot Robbie was lovely. She doesn't look like Sharon, and isn't in the film a whole lot, but she played her brief scenes with radiance and sweetness, which made me feel very sad at the film's conclusion. I'd say I liked a good 75% of the film, but the usual over-the-top violence marred what would have otherwise been a nostalgic valentine to a vanished era. I know, I know, it's Tarantino, but I was hoping for something a bit different this time.

Seconding the Escape at Dannemora recommendation. I kept passing it up on my streaming service until a friend recommended it. Starts off a bit slow (it's a grim setting which makes the very beginning a bit of a slog), but it becomes quite gripping, with excellent performances - especially from Patricia Arquette - she really knocks it out of the park.

I just watched the S4 EP6 on Deanna and enjoyed it. She didn't need a ton of help, but I liked JVN's hair and makeup - it was softer and a bit more sophisticated looking. I wasn't too crazy about Tan's outfits - he kept putting her in high-necked tops, when I think a soft scoop or v-neck might have worked better with her curvy figure and the blazers he'd chosen for her. Also his colour choices seemed really off - he was picking out white and baby pastels, which I don't think flattered her skin tone. Didn't care for the big plaid coat either. I thought the form fitting jeans and heels (and those beautiful hoop earrings) looked great on her though. I'm finding that I'm really loving Antoni more and more each episode - he always gives the show's subjects a bit of counselling & TLC while he cooks with them, and it was fun to watch him interact and speak a bit of Spanish with Deanna's MIL. Plus there's his whole dog obsession which I totally identify with. I also did not know he was Canadian, which was revealed this episode! Yay! It was nice to see Deanna going around the neighbourhood with Karamo and handing out flyers for her arts festival. I was saddened to hear that she'd experienced such blatant and hurtful racism, and could see why that particular task seemed intimidating. Hopefully her neighbours will reciprocate and get to know her - her family and their fabulous cars looked like a lot of fun! Kudos to Bobby on the beautiful office space design.

I haven't watched the earlier seasons with this group, instead I just jumped in with Season 4. I really understand why people love this show so much. So far I've watched the first 3 episodes - Jonathan's high-school music teacher, Wesley the paralyzed community activist, and Mr. Stoner, the single Dad with the cute 10 year old girl. All of them have been enjoyable and inspiring. I thought the first episode did a great job of highlighting how quickly arts programs get cut in schools, and what a herculean job it is to keep them running, and how much of a difference they can make in a kid's life. Public school teachers really are heroes. I thought the music teacher looked great in the end. Wesley really did an incredible job of turning his life around, and I thought his Mom was an amazing woman. The scene with him meeting his assailant was intense, and I was not expecting that at all. There definitely seemed to be some stuff left out. Glad they have both gone on to live more productive lives. Stoner Dad. Poor guy was clearly struggling with depression - I really hope he continues to get help for his daughter's sake. Good lord, his house was beautiful and huge though, glad the guys were able to help him spruce it up. Antoni made me laugh so hard, because he was obsessed with the pet corgi - that totally would have been me if I'd been in that house! Basically I want all 5 of these guys to adopt me, so that I can live in a loft with them and hang out and cook delicious food and play with their adorable Frenchie.

Yeah that was a deus ex machina that was a little too convenient for the show, and not something that ever happens to real people in real life. But it was enjoyable seeing Nicole in lawyer mode. Overall, I thought it was a satisfying conclusion - especially Renata with the baseball bat! Those two actresses were my favourites this season, and I'll miss seeing them together. I know many were disappointed with this season, but despite many flaws it kept me watching. Kudos to all the actresses.

I was surprised at how closely it followed the template laid out by Hereditary - almost note for note, despite the very different subject matter. Hereditary was certainly more batshit and had some shocker twists I DID NOT SEE COMING whereas Midsommar was more muted. I grew up watching bad 70's TV movies of the week about regular folk bumbling into cults & witchcraft, so in some ways Midsommar felt more predictable to me. But man, Aster is good at building slow dread and discomfort - I felt similarly squirmy and cringey during both films. I spent a lot of time peeking through my fingers.

I honestly don't see much of either of Maya's parents in her features at all. Possibly her smile is a bit like Uma's. However her voice definitely sounds identical to her Mom's. If I were listening to a sound recording of both of them speaking, I wouldn't be able to tell them apart. I only noticed this because I just recently watched a movie starring Uma.

That's the impression I got - that the commune used younger people like Pelle to travel abroad as "procurers" to bring a pool of potential fresh genes to the community. Once they'd served their purpose, they were disposed of. Dani wouldn't have anyone looking for her, so she could remain in the community without issue, but it doesn't answer the loose ends about the rest of the unfortunates - surely people would be searching for their loved ones at some point?

I'd have to agree with this, and Bonnie's mother has been completely inert in a hospital for most of it! This season is definitely not up to par with Season 1 (and I was saddened to see that HBO wrested control from Andrea Arnold who is an amazing director). The main problem is with the writing, so yeah, we're looking at YOU David E. Kelley. Much of this season feels like bargain basement scripts from "The Practice". That being said, I'm still enjoying the performances from all of the actresses. Renata sure picked a winner didn't she? In addition to blowing through all of her earnings, her husband was boinking the nanny and promising payment for extra services rendered! Zoe Kravitz did a great job with the scene reading from her confession book in the hospital, but I wish her Mom would either wake up, or pass away or something. Having a whole plot line based on a comatose character is tiresome. Clearly that diary is going to wind up in the wrong hands somehow. Also bored with the Madeline/Ed will they won't they stay together storyline. Don't really care if Ed boffs Chesty McChesterton at this point. Nicole continues to knock it out of the park, even with the ludicrous courtroom writing. I was hoping we'd get more layered insight into Perry's past, but I guess we're going to have to wait and see if Celeste drags it into the sunlight in her cross-examination (which is an admittedly ridiculous plot point that no judge would probably agree to). Regardless, I want to see her annihilate Mary Louise next court date, and I hope she dredges up something good!

I just saw it today, and I kind of agree with everyone else's posts. Random thoughts: I felt similarly after watching Hereditary, in that most of the film felt genuinely tense and foreboding, but it didn't quite stick the ending - it sort of tilted over from frightening and disturbing into the ridiculous at the conclusion. Although I enjoy a slow-burn, it was a bit overlong and needed trimming. I didn't know exactly what would go down (I assumed ritual sacrifice of some sort going in) but I immediately knew the poor British couple were effectively the movie's "red-shirts", along with the rude transgressors. I think the tension for me was whether the main couple was going to try and make a break for it or not. (Did anyone else think the actor playing the non-committal boyfriend looked EXACTLY like a thinner fitter Seth Rogen? Was it just me?) I agree with everyone else about the winking flowers - it added to the trippy hallucinogenic quality of the film. I wonder if the timing being all over the place was also meant to sort of scramble the audience's brains? It was supposed to be a Midsummer festival which one would think would be Summer Solstice which is late June. Yet they're crowning a May Queen. And a bunch of trees had pink blossoms on them, which even in Northern Sweden seems too late in the season. I dunno. I felt saddest for the poor bear in the end. One thing that has bothered me about both Hereditary and Midsommar is Ari Aster's seeming fixation on people with physical deformities. I thought Millie Shapiro (the little girl in Hereditary) was just unusual looking, but apparently she has an inherited condition that affects the cranium, and again in this movie, someone with a visible deformity was used mainly for horror purposes. That doesn't sit well with me. I will say kudos to the production designers and costumers - they did a fantastic job of world-building with the folk-art paintings, runic symbols, embroidery and flowers. For such a freaky film, it was visually beautiful. Can't say that I loved this film, but Aster is very good at using horror to explore grief - however I thought The Babadook dealt with that theme more effectively. This one was like an updated less goofy Nordic version of The Wicker Man.

Yep, it sure was! I was a teen in that era and I tried many times to get the elevated mall bang look, but my smooth slippery hair would never cooperate. I am now eternally grateful it didn't pan out. My class photos are not too horrific. Follow this link for some real-life honest-to-god examples: https://www.buzzfeed.com/briangalindo/25-photos-of-80s-hairstyles-so-bad-theyre-actually-good