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THAT'S WHO THAT WAS! I knew he looked familiar, but I couldn't place him! And the Silence of the Lambs woman - totally forgot about her prior roles. She was great as the therapist. I'm not familiar with Dale Dickey, but I loved her in this - hope to see more of her in other roles. The computer scene was really well done - especially when they stumbled on poor Marie. A very powerful episode. I was glad Marie has been been spending time time with an adult who is willing to sit and really give focused listening attention to her.

Man, the actor who portrayed that entitled fratty asshat Scott Parrish did an amazing job, because I wanted to reach through my screen and beat him senseless during that interrogation scene. His leg tattoo appeared to be a pine tree (?)

Oh, man, I just want poor Marie to catch a break. Everything continues to go from bad to worse for her. And I want to throttle her foster Mom (the one who didn't want to pursue notifying the police about similar cases). I like how they are showing the tedium of actual police work - cross checking lists and databases. It's mundane stuff like this that can sometimes result in breaks in investigations. I understand Grace's frustration at not being able to pull info from the AG's office, but I wish she would quit brow-beating her husband. Both of their jobs could be at stake if they contravened protocols. I couldn't make out what Karen was doing behind the man who had been staring at her as she was leaving the diner in Kansas. She initially made sure he could see her badge and gun, but then she went and stood by him as she exited?

Same. I wasn't sure if I would be able to continue, but I'm glad I did. So many great actresses in this show - the actress who plays Amber is Danielle Madonald, who has appeared in all kinds of things lately and is wonderful. I completely understood why she finally became emotional when she had to call her friend. I think once you tell someone you know, as opposed to law enforcement or medical officials, it actually becomes real. And I had no clue Toni Colette was also in this. So, now we have two bad-ass female detectives.

Yes, this is exactly what I meant. I can completely understand why some people simply can't go through with reporting, given how callously they're treated, and how rarely it results in conviction.

This was so heartbreaking and infuriating to watch. I've never been assaulted, but I would imagine it would be extremely difficult for people who have endured this in real life to watch. So many people are victimized all over again when they try to do the right thing and report.

There was an episode with an organutan? Wow. Don't remember that one!

Agree 100%. I probably would have given up on the show were it not for the Bill Tench character (although I do like Dr. Wendy). Holt McCallany brings a natural warmth and humour to his portrayal that draws the viewer in - something that is missing from the rest of the show. I also hope we get to see more of Agent Barney , as what we've seen so far seems very humane. I'm a huge fan of David Fincher, but I think he veered way too far in stylizing things in a clinical manner (going so far as forbidding his lead actors to smile), which often makes the show feel cold and lifeless. The investigators are, after all, only human.

Yes, that too - he assumed that everything else would fall into place afterward and more charges would come, but instead the other investigators were pulled.

Yes, this was frustrating and I wish the show had addressed this more. Clearly proper police work hadn't been done prior to the Feds arriving, but it was only touched upon briefly. So many of these kids knew each other, there HAD to be some commonalities they could identify, had someone been doing proper investigative work. Although it was likely a fictionalized interaction, I also wish Holden had been shown attempting to explain to the STOP mothers and the hotel concierge WHY Williams was a prime suspect, and that they had also been doing fruitless surveillance on the Klan simultaneously. They may not have accepted the info, but at least it would have been presented to them to consider. Instead, he just declared Williams as culprit, case closed, no real discussion. As mentioned above, the way the show was written made the mothers look more like one-sided caricatures, rather than people with real grievances.

Not to wander too far off topic, but this paragraph reminds me of a sad case in Britain that happened several years ago. Seemingly nice middle class (or upper middle class) family - a father, mother, two sons who were college aged and out of the house, along with a daughter in her early teens. On the surface, they appeared to be an ideal family, the father was popular and respected in the community. But behind closed doors, he was mentally and physically abusive - particularly to the wife and daughter. After years of being terrorized, the wife finally worked up the courage to leave with her daughter. Husband couldn't take anyone defying him and murdered them both. The biggest shock for the two surviving sons, who had also endured mistreatment, was not just the horrific crime that befell their mother and sister, but the vast number of people in their community who rushed to their father's defense (when he was clearly guilty), saying that the wife and daughter must have done something to provoke it, and probably deserved it. Misogyny runs deep.

From the look on Rhonda's face it appeared that the lightbulb finally went on, but she decided to continue anyway. I hope that she can work out an amicable arrangement with Bash. I feel bad for them both. Sam was absolutely right to have told Ruth the truth about the audition before they got physical. It would have been slimy of him to withhold that info. It's disappointing not to get something when it's dangled in front of you, but Ruth shouldn't have had a meltdown - in entertainment, now matter how well you may know the people hiring, it's never a sure thing until you're working on set. Loved Bobby's show (the Evita gown was priceless) - Debbie looked fabulous in her tux and top hat! I was cheering for Sheila and her awesome monologue! What a bummer the fun night had to end with a homophobic attack.

Man, I love Elizabeth Perkins. Birdie appearances are always a treat. And I'm glad Rhonda managed to charm her. Maybe Rhonda can also help keep Bash on the straight and narrow with his spending? But that might be too much to hope for. I have no clue who Toby Huss is, since I never watched "Halt and Catch Fire", but I like him. He looks completely different with no beard! Count of Monte-Fuckface. Hee!

That's kind of how I read Debbie's participation in the switch-up show too. It didn't seem like deliberate sabatoge, (but I could have missed things). Also, remember Debbie was the one person who saw how much agony and distress Tammye was in, which I think was a motivator, since playing a biddy with a walker would have been much easier on her. Also that scene with Sheila and the wolf was magical - even if it was a hallucination. I was a bit worried about her and was relieved to see she recovered from her heat stroke. I'm eager to see what new characters she adopts in the ring!

As far as I know - the murders did stop, which is why many people believe Williams was the culprit, on top of the other forensic evidence that connected him to victims. From what I also understand, any new bits of evidence that emerged following his arrest only served to further strengthen the case against him rather than cast doubt on his guilt. He may have been taken off the streets, but it's very sad for the parents they they never saw justice for their children.

Loved this nutty episode! They all did great with their role switcheroos. Sheila as Liza Minnelli was just pure pure genius - loved that she managed to hang onto her martini glass during all of her wrestling moves. The idea of Liza in a wrestling ring is just amazing! Oh Bash, you are screwing up big-time. Definitely a combination of being rattled about his sexuality, and hubris from unexpected success. He really should have met with Sam & Debbie first, and then sat down with the girls to discuss the offer that was on the table. And rather than being intransigent, could he not have worked out some sort of deal for Debbie, so that she could still have a hand in things as producer, but be able to spend more time in LA with her kid? The hotel was clearly eager for them to stay and was offering a lot more money, so that's when you negotiate. Debbie might not be able to perform as Liberty Bell all the time, but maybe they could have someone sub for her. I was wondering what the heck happened to Sam's daughter. I have a feeling her screenplay is probably brilliant and surpasses anything Sam could come up with, which is why he's gobsmacked and enlisting Ruth to read it. I could be wrong on this, but that's how I'm leaning.

Agreed. I think this actor is great, and a fantastic addition to the show - I hope he sticks around. His character seems smart, perceptive and kind. I'm glad Sheila came out of her shell to befriend him, interested to see where that goes. Like others have mentioned above, I just can't get into Ruth and Russell. I don't buy them as a couple at all, he's just so bland and such a non-entity onscreen. I can't imagine Ruth getting excited about him or even pretending to get excited about him. I actually keep forgetting his character's name and had to look it up. Yes, this too. Not that I expect everyone to look like an underwear model, but there's a distinct absence of charisma or something that is a bit jarring. I wonder if that's why they've been dressing Allison Brie in such horrifically dowdy clothing, so that they don't seem so mismatched.

I think in this case Sam actually does love her. He's come to value her as a person and enjoys spending time with her, as opposed to someone who is a quick lay. I was surprised to see him lay down his cynical armour and declare himself honestly though.

I loved everything about this episode! The tennis! The dance class! The acting class! Attractive male full frontal actually showing up on screen for a change! Melrose's hooker twist totally fooled me, I thought she was just going to have a roll in the hay with a random cute guy and pocket some cash on top of it. Surprise! I thought both Tammye & Sheila did really well in their acting class - the instructor, while not wrong, was kind of a jerk. I really hope Tammye's health issue isn't serious, but it's not good that she's keeping it from everyone. Feel bad for Cherry and her husband - she's not wrong to be re-thinking what pregnancy will be doing to her career and her body, but the second thoughts must have been a shock to her husband. That's a tough one to work through - hopefully she will sit him down and explain her fears more fully to him - I think he will listen once he cools down. Oh, Debbie, no, no, no! Don't go down that eating disordered road!

I think I sort of prefer that Sam and Ruth remain friends - I like that dynamic between them better. However, I did like that Sam was completely up front with her about how he felt - he really put all his cards on the table. Not sure I could have resisted that kind of honesty myself, especially after spending a fun day together. I think Ruth is edging in that direction, but she still has serious reservations about romantic entanglement with him. The Bash/Rhonda marriage is more interesting than I thought. I wasn't actually expecting him to consummate things at all. I still think he's gay or bi, but he seems to be making an effort despite his deficiencies. I like that they wrote him as befuddled and messed up by his upbringing rather than just thoughtless. It's nice that they've kept him as a fundamentally sweet natured person who tries to learn from his mistakes. Carmen was right to tell him off - hopefully they'll patch things up - their friendship is fun.

Agreed - Tench actually seems willing to revise his views when presented with new evidence. And unlike his wife, he seemed cognizant that there was something seriously wrong with their kid, but unsure of how to reach him. Agreed I think both sides had blinders on - Holden refused to even consider investigating Klan members. In the case of the mothers, their mistrust was understandable, given the fact that no one seemed to care about their missing children until it became national news and a political football. They'd also been witness to the long history of people in their community being arrested and jailed for no reason, (and as the Police Chief pointed out to the visiting Feds, many in the Klan were imbedded in police departments, or sitting on Judge's benches). Their anger was further justified when the cases involving their children were completely abandoned once Williams was arrested. Holden genuinely thought there would be some remaining investigators who would stay behind and continue to work the remaining cases, and they wound up getting pulled. A very frustrating and unsatisfying end for the loved ones of the victims, so I understood where their bias and anger was coming from.

Yes to this! While I felt bad for Nancy, my sympathy for her grew thin as the season progressed. Her being in total denial about her kid, and her refusal to recognize that her husband was trying his best to be there as much as he could manage became frustrating. I feel the course of action she eventually chose was all about her, and not really about trying to help her kid. It may have been a contrived plot point, but I did find it interesting that Bill was having to wrestle with this in his home life. I felt very sad for him at the end of the show. Holt McCallany has a super-long resume, with all kinds of film & TV that I've seen in the past, but this is the first thing that I've noticed him in - he's perfect for the character.

I found him to be the weak link for both seasons - the entire show in fact. I don't care about Holden whatsoever, but I like Wendy and Tench as well as Agent Barney. Their personal stories complemented the main action. It took me a long time to clue in to the fact that we aren't necessarily supposed to like Holden. I thought the final episode was really well done. Once again, the actor who played the serial killer absolutely nailed it - totally looked like Wayne Williams, and captured his arrogance and manipulativeness. I think the point of this story arc was to show that even a focused investigation with Federal help can be derailed by incompetence of local police, as well as political maneuvering. This was an incredibly frustrating case - for the investigators, and for the parents of the victims, but I think Williams actually was the culprit. Those BTK segments are going to continue for a looooong time if further seasons are picked up. We are now moving forward in time quite quickly - I wonder how they're going to handle the aging of the characters in upcoming seasons. Any guesses as to other murderers who may be interviewed or featured? Ted Bundy? The Green River Killer?

Holden is such a dolt sometimes. I'm glad Tench told him off. Really wishing they had brought Jim Barney permanently onto their team instead of Gregg. He's really been using his brainpower, and is also talented at interviewing. Well, Dr. Wendy's romance sure fizzled quickly. They are both compartmentalizing parts of their lives and neither will admit it. L'il Tench Jr. continues to be creepy as all get out, and Mom seems to be going off the deep end with him. A shame, because if not for their little Damien in training, the Tenches seemed to have a solid relationship.

If ever there was a song that belonged on a movie soundtrack, it's this one! Still atmospheric after all these years. In Atlanta, it appears the witnesses the FBI were "re-interviewing" were never interviewed in the first place. Apparently no one cared until national attention was focused on the murders. At this point, if I were the Tenches, I'd be nervous to be alone in the house with that kid. I really feel for parents who have tried their utmost, but have children who are severely disturbed. Where do they turn for help? There's barely any now, I'm certain there was probably none then.