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I really like everybody's story except Miller's. I feel like I could actually figure everything out if I would just pay attention all the way through his scenes, but they're just so boring. I mean, I watch Dark Matter, so I'm a sucker for tiny crews banding together like the Roci crew is starting to (and hopefully more than the Razza crew does on DM). Naomi constantly snapping at everyone but Amos kind of grates but it also gets everybody's asses in gears so I appreciate her existence, but I really like Holden, more than I thought I would since he's very clearly a character type like Miller is and I'm not a fan of either type having seen them five million times. But Holden I can get on board with. Anybody that dedicated to going back for "his people" has my vote. I'd still like to see him put Naomi in charge since she's the only one with her head on straight. What I do like about Miller's scenes is the world building for the Belters. But he himself I have no interest in, and that's not a knock on Thomas Jane as I find him greasily charming. His scenes, barring those with Space Moriarty, are the dullest, least well-written of the bunch IMO.

I just want to say hats off to Lucy Hale. That story about her crying on the train and not realizing made me do the ugly-cry face scrunch without the actual tears. I suffer from claustrophobia like Aria does (and I really dug that, accidental or not, her claustrophobia was remembered), so I felt like I was in that train with her. Not that I have someone putting me into boxes like Aria did. But I'm always a sucker for scenes where the girls show how traumatized they really are. ETA: I've now seen the full ep. I still don't care about Shower Harvey, all she does is make me miss Jenna, but I will say that everybody's acting was on point. There were a couple times in the previous half-season where you could tell the cast was flagging but this seems to have given them a boost.

Laurel and Wes work really well together. While Miconnor isn't as inexplicable to me as it is to others, because those two were obsessed with beating each other last season, JF and ANK are what really sells it, but Laurel and Wes actually make perfect sense. I'm kinda rare I think, at least on this forum, that while I like Annalise and think VD is a queen amongst us mere mortals, I watch for the K5. I love those kids, every single one of them, I love fratbro Asher, I love smug snake Laurel, I love poor judge of character Michaela, I love eternally whinging Wes and I love hyper-tense Connor. LOVE. So while I understand why they are in pairs, and why they are in the pairs they are in, all the show has to do to keep me watching is showing the relationship between all five of them. Michaela's the only one that's shown compassion to Asher - both recently and last season when they were investigating his dad - maybe we could send them out together. Connor and Laurel are 'the last ones on the screwing the client train' - they could work really well together. Wes has shown at least some protectiveness towards the girls, perhaps we could develop that further. It's not that I necessarily want them to be friends but to me the show is at its best when either A) All of the Murder Four are on screen or B) the K5 are working cases together.

I think the acting award should go to the K5 this episode - that sequence where Michaela's jumps in front of the gun to Wes' face when Annalise tells him Rebecca was dead was on point and had me on the edge of my seat. And Matt McGorry was just on fire - understated when he needed to be but bringing the emotion when it counted. That crying scene was ugly and real. Michaela, by the way, is terrifying to me. I can't decide if the way she rapidly swings between unhinged and collected is normal for someone going through this (and if they ever actually think of giving one of them PTSD, its her or Connor) or showing mental instability. She's screaming this episode but pulls herself together crazy fast in Nate's car later, just like last season when she went catatonic in the corner and then got rid of Asher, proceeding to swing between the two all night. Sidenote: "Connor, please don't leave without me!" made me inappropriately 'aw.' I was half convinced Annaliese was going to shoot herself, but I was almost sort of hoping Laurel would be the one to shoot her, because I thought Laurel would be the one to be like "Yep, this makes sense." But no, my favorite smug mafia princess let me down. (Note: I was actually proud of her.) I watched the whole episode but I'd be super appreciative of someone walking me through how Annaliese became convinced that placing the phone call about Catherine and then shooting herself was a good decision.

I have missed a few episodes but did Valerie seriously tell Maxie to tell Lulu to take Dante back because he's 'such a great guy!' Hasn't it only been a few days in General Hospital time?! What the Christ, woman! The smug radiating off her today made me want to punch her.

Damn, thanks for the Smalljon info, somehow I missed that. Like, I know she doesn't know where he is but the show has handwaved enough things that if they were just like "Lucky guess!" I'd take it. So logically. she's either going north to meet her newly-rezzed half-brother which seems highly improbable given that the Wall is many miles away and its winter, or she's going to Littlefinger - which also just doesn't seem very probable. I don't think Aiden has been filming much. If he's mostly doing interiors, it would be hard to know. She could possibly go to a Stark ally, like Eyes High suggested, but I don't see Sansa really trusting anyone enough for that. And I don't think Ramsay telling her of Jon's LC status was just for funsies. They put it in there for a reason.

I needed Ramsay dead yesterday. And some of these spoilers are starting to fall scarily in line with that 'leaked s6 synopsis' that everybody wrote off as fake because it was too fanficcy. Everyone on WotW is speculating that Sansa either goes to Castle Black or back to Littlefinger, but could she possibly get dropped off at the Umbers to see Rickon by Brienne and Pod and Theon before the first two go tromping off to the Riverlands and the latter swans off to the Iron Islands? I guess my problem is that I do not see Theon leaving her until he knows she safe and Brienne and Pod have got to be up there for a reason. Looking at all we've got, I either see Sansa dying next season or being one of the last people standing. They must have hyper accelerated her story (badly) for a reason. I just - if I have to watch her go back to being Littlefinger's pawn I will flip so many tables. Spec that McShane's character is Meribald to bring back the Hound and the two Northern lords are Manderly and maybe a Cerwyn/Umber.

There's literally been no evidence of Michaela being a gold digger. She plans on being rich enough to take care of herself. Didn't she have a whole conversation about with Connor about how she would reinvent herself and become a housewife and then decide, no, she could never do that cause she would be bored? Also, I know I'm not the only one, at least on tumblr, but I kind of want Michaela just to give up on boys and hook up with Laurel ever since that "She's mine!" thing when talking about the orgy. Laurel sometimes seems like she desperately wants Michaela to be her friend and Michaela needs someone that knows why she's going insane. Murder Four should just all date each other.

Nowhere did I say I was okay with letting the rapists get away with what happened, at freaking all, nor I have I seen people be okay with it on here. Asher did a bad thing - if my word 'crappy' was what bugged then I'm sorry, I should have used a better word. Asher did an awful thing and potentially did a whole lot worse if its lying, and its not okay. And if Bonnie can help Asher see how fucked up what he did was, that's great. Asher's not in the right here, but I don't really think the murderer is either. And perhaps I'm confusing things here, but Asher wanted to turn Bonnie in for the reasons you listed and also because its still murder. I honestly can't remember, if someone could enlighten me I'd much appreciate it, but couldn't Bonnie get away with self-defense if that had been true, or would the covering up bit ruin that. And now that I've given it some time, I'm more sympathetic to Bonnie, immensely. I'd like to say that she should be rational and realize she has people covering for her just like Asher had his dad covering for him and how much she'd like to protect them like Asher wants to protect his father (and perhaps this makes me a bad person, but I'd protect my dad through almost everything as well), but that wouldn't be very fair. Asher's not wrong that this is her thing. She's a human being, she doesn't have to rational about it. It still doesn't mean that as a viewer with all the facts, her self-righteousness doesn't bug. It might have been LW's delivery. She's incredible but she went very Paris there. As for the Annalise/Bonnie confrontation, I was on Bonnie's side emotionally at least. Annalise took the complete wrong tact and if I'm not mistaken, didn't really apologize (I watched this very late at night). Less confrontational, defensive words would have helped Bonnie understand more, but she put it all on Bonnie. Yeah, probably, Bonnie didn't have to murder Rebecca and she didn't have to tell Asher she murdered Sam. And yeah, you did what you did to save her. It was still kinda awful, Annalise. Annalise/Bonnie have a weird chicken and the egg situation to me where I don't know if Bonnie acts like a child because Annalise treats her like one or Annalise treats her like a child because Bonnie acts like one. I swear I alter my views a little every time I come here. Y'all are so much better with character motivations and development than I am. ETA: I see now in my post above I was pretty dismissive of what Asher did. Wasn't my intent. Thought it was pretty much the worst.

I'm sorry, but I was having a lot of trouble not rolling my eyes out of my head every time Bonnie came down on Asher. Yes, he did a really crappy thing that if he's lying about could turn out to be the crapola of crappiness. But you know what he hasn't done, Bonnie? Murder someone. (and I realize its her past issues coming into play. Still. There were people who loved Rebecca and you took her away from them. Shut up, Bonnie.)

Yeah, no, the Quentin part I totally agree with since he seems to have always hated Oliver, but the Laurel part I understood since Thea has swung from regarding her as a big sister and being irritated that she had moved on from her big brother with his best friend. Moira seemed to like Laurel alright in the flashbacks they showed, and even said she was good for Oliver, so I buy the Laurel-Queen connection. Quentin? Nah. By long history together, I basically meant Laurel (and Sara?) and the Queens. I should have clarified. I have to admit that I watch Arrow very sporadically so there's probably stuff I have missed. More and more I'm coming to realize that I genuinely don't like this show. I didn't like a majority of season three, I don't like Oliver much, and I don't like how they write women. Even Felicity's line about being glad Constantine wasn't a gorgeous girl, which should have been funny, annoyed me. I keep thinking they'll turn it around, and now that Sara's resurrected and Ray's coming back I'll give it a couple more episodes, but the characters never learn anything. It bugs me. Felicity is the same character she was in season one, Laurel has gone on the same downward spiral for the third season in a row, Diggle is...what even is Diggle anymore? Oliver and Thea grew, and I love Thea but I didn't like how Oliver grew because I feel like he stepped over everybody else to get there. But I did like Constantine.

I freaking love Hayden making everybody wildly uncomfortable while she just bops around with that million-watt grin. RB seems like she's having a blast.

Quentin: you gotta admire her consistency, death secret from me, resurrection secret from you. *talks about his business with Darhk* btw, don’t tell Laurel. These people have problems. Yeah, but Thea went right on to say how Laurel helped her at CNRI. And those two families have a long history together, and Thea clearly adores Laurel now. I really liked their hospital scene. I wish Thea and Laurel and Felicity would have some actual scenes together. Or have I just missed them? So after this episode, do you think we could see Team Arrow actually acting as a cohesive unit instead of two separate forces loosely bond together? I missed the Nanda Parbat episode and I don't plan on watching it because "OTA" makes me rage almost as much as Laurel Lance does for other people, but once Ray and Sara are shipped of to LoT the team will hopefully get back on track. I miss Arsenal. Thank you, dtissagirl. That was weird.

Okay, things I liked this episode: -Laurel being like "Yep, I fucked up" in the hospital with Oliver. I love Laurel Lance so much, writers, I love her even more when you give her self-awareness -Laurel dragging Oliver for being a douche to her for the last one and a half seasons, because I don't even blame that on Oliver, that was some weird, weird writing and I think SA's acting choices (there were some moments where it seemed like he genuinely hated her) -I liked the hallway scene is what I'm saying, even though I hated Laurel's "think about my family" line. Does she know about Ivo? -I am not willing to give Oliver a pass on anything so long as we're apparently not telling Laurel her dad's working for the bad guy, just like I'm not giving Laurel a pass on not telling the team about Sara, even though she did explain why she did so. STOP KEEPING SECRETS GUYS! -RAY PALMER! -Diggle finding out about Andy. -The fact that this stupid resurrection storyline is done so the Lance sisters can stop being plot devices. -CONSTANTINE! Overall, I think I liked this episode? I'm not entirely sure. As an LL fan, I'm just happy this is over and now I can see my girl kick ass with her sister and keeping delivering stupid cheesy lines like "New cry, same frequency" (hahaha, whaaaa?) Also, side note, something I just did not believe: Laurel pulling the gun on Sara. I realize that she realized that Oliver was right and homegirl had no soul and she needed to put her sister out of her misery but I'm calling bullshit on Laurel freaking Lance, who did absolutely everything she could to bring her sister back, was gonna give up when they were on the verge of recapturing her. Nope. Sorry, show. Try again. Another side note: when they were going into the soul room, just before, Laurel screamed something? Does anyone know what that was?

I never finished watching GG, which was a shame. I came back for parts of seasons four and five for Dair, which was amazeballs, but then they did Chair again, which by that point had become this disgusting abusive couple that made me feel like I needed a shower just watching them, so I...stopped watching again. Dair was great because they endlessly called each other on their shit instead of enabling another, but Dan was good for that. He was a huge judgey asshole but he didn't let Serena or Blair get away with their nonsense. My favorite moment of his is near the end of season 1 where he is so frustrated with Serena keeping secrets and shouts "THEN JUST TELL ME." and when she doesn't, he walks. Of course he immediately ruins that by quasi-cheating on her (huge judgey asshole) but it was great at the time. And then everything was ruined by him being Gossip Girl. So stupid. The problem with GG for me is that they never wrote as well as they should have for Blair, who was their best character, and by season 3 had dropped a lot of the Blair/Serena relationship, which was what the show revolved around.

I did read one horrible theory that Dany was going to be the new Nissa Nissa. Please, no, none of that. That is not an ending I'd want for Dany or anyone. Thanks for the clarification guys. I think my problem was that I was getting spoilers from both WotW and WIC, and WIC seems a lot more speculation-based.

Lady S. words cannot express my love for your avatar. The disdain! One thing that if anyone could clarify I would be deeply appreciative: Aiden Gillen and Sophie were said to have filmed a scene together in Winterfell, but without Kit or Carice. But another report says it was just Sophie and they only ever saw Aiden's trailer. Does anyone have this straight? And if they did film, is it 6x10, or from before? If it's just Sophie, surely its got to be from before. Also, Yohn...damn, what is his last name? Royce! His actor is filming in December so there's got to be some Vale stuff. It's not like I'm trying to spoil the season for myself I'm just so confused as to where people are and where they are getting these wormholes that let them zip around Westeros.

I have to say, pitting the two most boring characters and Simon against one of the more interesting ones in Shelby did not endear me to either Alex or Booth. Especially in an episode where you show Shelby being an awesome if pushy friend. Unpopular opinion maybe, but I find Simon to be so freaking creepy, so I was fully with Elias checking up on him, like I was on board with Booth's assessment of him last week. The man is sketchy as hell and why anyone would trust him with anything is beyond me. The twins and even Caleb are really growing on me, but Alex's Mary Sue-ness is a major turn-off, which is a shame but not entirely unexpected. I like Priyanka Chopra but I don't think I've ever really seen her play a vulnerable role in Bollywood. There was that amazingly gullible agent in the Don movies, but even that movie was a battle of the Mary Sues, and one does not win that battle when Shah Rukh Khan is the opposition.

Alright, coming back after last night, here's what I'm thinking: I am super pissed at the writers for doing this, because it could have been done so much better. But here's one simple thing that would have helped. Don't show the last scene with the coffin. The audience isn't stupid, they knew what Laurel was planning on doing. We don't need to know if she dug her up or not. Use that time on expanding Thea and Laurel's motivations. Also we wouldn't have the squickiness at the end. Next episode, once Laurel and Thea figure things out, then it can either be 'oh let's go back and get sara so we can do this' or 'cool beans, we have her body right here.' Laurel faces consequences. She went into CNRI, she lost Tommy. She became an addict, people treated her like a freaking addict, she wasn't trusted, she hit rock bottom. She went vigilante-ing before she was ready, she got the shit kicked out of her. She became Black Canary and everybody who wasn't Felicity was lining up to tell her how much she sucked. She lied to her dad, her dad hated her. Laurel nearly always faces consequences for her actions. She gets back from doing this I fully expect her getting her face cracked by Nyssa and Oliver. In the end, a lot of this is going to depend on Sara's reaction. And I'm withholding judgment on everything until next week. Why did this take place over one episode, writers? WHY?

Okay, my final thoughts for the episode and then I'm off, you beautiful people: I think the writers have done Laurel and Thea a serious disservice here. They should have stretched this reveal out over two episodes and moved from there, BUT: One of Laurel's defining flaws is that no matter how smart she may be, she does not think things through. Like, ever. So right now, she's heard about something that can bring her sister back and she may be able to find a way to negate the crazy that's inside Thea and she's thinking, this is great, let's go for it, we'll fix Thea and get my sister back in one fell swoop, awesome. This whole thing can still be salvaged in the next episode if they: A) For the love of god, have someone sit Laurel down and ask her to walk them through her mindset right now. Talk to her about what she's feeling, get her to explain. B) Ditto for Thea and C) Have someone point out this particular flaw of Laurel's because the point of flaws is learning to grow out of them. Oh, and D) Someone please talk about what Sara would want. Is Sara at peace? Would Sara want to be alive more than anything else?

I want her to get to NP and Nyssa be like 'honey, no.' Tell her, Nyssa, she's not thinking straight!

I will say, Thea asking "are you sure you want to do this?" when Laurel had already dug up the grave made me laugh inappropriately. Also, why did they have her open the casket? Did she think Sara escaped? Apparently I've circled around from being angry into being amused, which is the usual response this show evokes in me. Oh, Arrow. Don't ever change. And by that I mean, holy shit please change.

She didn't lie to Thea, though, did she? I mean, she straight up told her the truth about what she was doing. And it was such a shame, cause scenes of them at an actual spa would have been cute and character- and relationship-building. Sidenote: What is the deal with Detective Lance? Like is there a 'how can we make him douchier' competition going somewhere? Normally I'm super appreciative of anybody who side-eyes Oliver that hard, but Jesus man, you're working for the evil guy!

Holy Smoaks, ignore this.

The thing is, if they went with that, I would buy that, too. Laurel's been through a lot, and was clearly depressed in season 2 which I don't think she ever got treated for. Her sister went on a yacht with her boyfriend and they both died for five years, one comes back, the man she loves dies partially because of her actions (if this or true or not, Laurel believes this to be true), her sister comes back, she spirals badly, her sister dies, she becomes the Black Canary. She packed a lot in those three years and not all people handle grief the same way, or even very well. So far she's been channeling all that into saving her city, but man she saw that opportunity and went for it. Except I do not want to see Laurel spiral and pick herself back up for the THIRD SEASON IN A ROW. That being said, I would totally resurrect my sister. Even if she turned out crazy. That probably makes me a bad person, but she'd resurrect me too, and I'd want to be resurrected. Perhaps Laurel is thinking that they'll find the key to helping Thea at NP and they can use it on Sara directly.