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Are we banning @OoohMaggie now ?

I am curious as to how they wrap this up. Except for mocking, I'm just overlooking all of the plot holes. I knew you would know 😁

Damn, it's like watching Titanic. LOL Negan "what the fuck?" Oh the whole band is together!! I don't want Judith to die but I'm more worried about Zeke to be honest.

The dead want some of that Commonwealth ice cream! LOL, Pamela "protect meeeee"

They finally do something interesting with them on the next to last episode! LOL yet ANOTHER surprise zombie attack! Stealth zombies.

Lookit Eugene going all ninja.

They'll probably leave it up in the air till next week, but no way they kill Judith; just more red shirts, excepting Lydia's boyfriend whose name I don't remember.

This. That was some superhero shit with Zeke and Daryl.

How is Lydia not screaming in pain? Jerry: "we've got to get that arm looked at". 😆 Dammit, Jerry, be careful!

That armor is so useless.

I'm laughing cuz these guys have no idea about their hitchhiker.

Field amputation!

Damn, I thought we were going to get out without losing anyone.

Gutbuster was. The show does not.

Why are they driving so slowwwwly? Oh I guess that's why? I'm laughing at grim-faced Aaron doing a zombie head tilt.

I'm more interested in the stuff from 12 years ago then 2 years ago, lol.

I forgot the first season was only 6 eps. I had a totally different life when the show premiered so I think that's part of it. 😐 @Superclam ? or 😶 ?

Opened up early in case anyone's watching the "Making of" special. They're showing scenes from earlier eps and now I'm 😕

Very sorry @Anela. Beautiful pictures. I love that one of him standing on the table, tail wagging.

Yep and the overhead scene of everyone swimming away from the prison was memorable. This was the first episode where I was impatient to get back to Cassian's story. There was other good and interesting stuff going on but I was all "get back to the PRISON dammit". Until we get confirmation, Kino is alive and escaped somehow. So there. Andy Serkis has been so good in this role; I read an interview where they tried different ways of saying the "I can't swim" line. He got it just right. I absolutely think Cassian would have helped him if wasn't pushed over via the flow of escapees. I wonder if MM will bring the choice to her daughter and explain about the rebellion. She's been keeping the daughter out of it and I've been assuming it's to protect the daughter but does she not trust the daughter? Arranged marriages are obviously done in her culture, does the daughter expect to be married off or has MM raised her differently; maybe something was said that I don't remember. Sleazy money guy was only talking a meeting but we all know what he expects. Now I have an answer to "why does that guy seem one step ahead of Dedra, who's supposed to be the smartest person in the room". Oh, Luthen. Great, great character but he is a zealot in his own way. I am interested as to how he got there. We are following Cassian's journey; we know that Mon Mothma is a principled person (who may or may not marry her daughter off) but what's Luthen's deal? Inquiring minds want to know. Maybe he just hates the Empire. Luthen's speech reminds me of a discussion in one of The Expanse books, where Naomi tells her captain and partner, Holden, when he is all "why am I doing this thing". She says along the lines of "you don't get to know that. You do the good thing because it's the right thing to do and you don't get to know the rest". I'm paraphrasing but the point is that Luthen has accepted that he doesn't get to know but is he going too far? The double agent seemed about to crack under the pressure. I guess we'll see.

This. I was absolutely expecting this. The other possibility was some kind of message in the letter to his kids. Alan should have been clever enough to outsmart Sam at this point and I thought the show was laying the groundwork for that - the note in Elias's mouth, Sam getting sloppy with his kills. Killing his boss should have brought the police sniffing around. We didn't get enough of a sense of Sam's father to just assume "oh, he won't tell anyone that Sam tried to kill him". That was silly. He stalks restaurant guy for months, restaurant guy disappears and there are no leads about the truck always parked there? No one scratched him during a struggle and got his DNA on them? It almost felt like the show wanted to have it both ways; they wanted Alan to ultimately take control of his fate (death by serial killer) yet it not be an overtly physical altercation where he attacks Sam. Alan had a freaking SHOVEL in his hands a few eps prior and doesn't attack Sam with it nor does he attempt to break his chain when Sam leaves for a long period of time. Maybe both of these would have been futile gestures and Alan wasn't ready for death at that point but I don't know, at least try? It felt like the show wanted Alan to win the battle of wills but he was actually losing and not realizing it. I noted in my first post, after watching through ep 5, that Sam never asks Alan what he wants to eat. When that finally does happen, Alan is too far gone to care. However, Alan never really appears beaten down to the viewers, giving us hope that he will be successful in escaping. I get that Sam essentially moving Alan in with the extra furniture was the last straw for Alan but I didn't really see him as being worn down yet. So as I'm typing maybe Alan did win the battle of wills - he made Sam kill him, which Sam didn't want to do. Yet Alan did have chances. Maybe if he had killed Candance he would have had a chance to kill a distraught Sam. Maybe if he had tried something with the water pitcher or the shovel. Dead therapist Charlie comments that Alan is just has hard headed as Beth or Ezra. Was Alan being essentially stubborn in not going out of his comfort zone to attempt an escape? Then when he finally did attempt, he expected to be unsuccessful? I knew he was unsuccessful when they cut to the family dinner. I knew that wasn't real even before we saw Charlie. I was hoping it wasn't a "death is imminent" vision and that he would recover but I wasn't expecting him to. Sam locking himself in was a futile and unsatisfying gesture, though before that I was half expecting him to drag in the unconscious school counselor. I did like the kind of snarky dead Alan saying "oh, you'll do it again". I had zero sympathy for Sam, Candace and their issues. I never got the feeling that Sam really wanted to be different than he was; more that he was looking for excuses to justify his actions. Candace, at least, should have died, though Alan getting a killing swipe in at Sam, causing Candace to mentally collapse, would have worked for me too. This worked as a binge, was well acted and tense but I'm not sure if I would have stuck with it week to week.

That was super cute but I can't help but dislike her. Even Alan says she "couldn't accept differences" or some such. Singing at Ezra's wedding - when he was so clearly horrified but didn't want to make a scene - throwing the cake against the wall (anger much?) and serving ice cream in front of children you know can't have it (mean). I've watched the first 5 episodes and am trying to connect these memories with Alan's current situation. It could be that Alan is remembering when he should have stepped in and didn't. He is clearly getting desperate (who wouldn't) and I think he knew that bringing Elias out was a bad idea. Let's face it, we knew Elias was doomed either way. Sam will say anything to justify his actions and we have to look at him as an unreliable narrator. Maybe his father abused him, maybe he didn't. Maybe his mother did or he is abusing her. I was very surprised that the ex-wife, who did seem odd, is alive; I was assuming he either made her up or killed her. Maybe the oddness was the actress playing her as not wanting to really be around Sam. I laughed at them getting the recliner in the truck, though. Sam married her, probably looking for normality but he's not capable of that and realized if he murdered her it would all come crashing down. The acting is really good - Carrell of course but the actor playing Sam *shudder*. He looks so cold when he talks about bashing in the little kids' heads. He went totally dead in the eyes. It was interesting to see him at work in a normal situation. I also wonder about how much time - Elias could only have been a day or two. I don't think Alan has been there much more than a week, maybe 10 days? I assume people are looking for him and that there were obvious signs of abduction at his home. I thought of this as well plus he's always finishing a huge cup of coffee. I also thought it was possibly another form of dominance over Alan. Sam brings what he (Sam) wants to eat and they eat when Sam wants to; Sam can use the bathroom; Alan has to pee into plastic. Etc. Just another way to dehumanize Alan; Alan isn't a person, he's there for Sam's use.

Agreed - it was a big exposition dump from Gideon at the end. I did overall enjoy it - even though I knew Nick was doomed, his and his wife's murders were really affecting. I remember thinking - how can that skinny kid with a tiny knife take out the both of them when Nick was practically Superman fighting in the drug dealing apartment. Then when we saw young Gideon stab his sleeping father it made more sense. I was distracted when momma bear Lucy bought the obvious fire hazard heater for her young son, then left it in his room even after he deliberately burned himself on it. I was confused by Isaac transporting himself/slipping into the neighbor's (Meredith's family) house when everyone thought he was kidnapped. Meredith and her family see him but never say anything to anyone- did they assume he just left and went home (when he actually got himself to the place he was ultimately found?) The last we see is the three of them staring at him in shock. I was so sure that Gideon would be Isaac from another timeline. They set up his dad to be not just neglectful but evil (leaving him in the burning room) so I was waiting for an alternate reality Isaac to kill him in that different reality. That would have explained why Lucy and her mom seemed to have the same abilities that Gideon did and why this reality's Isaac was so isolated and quiet - he's overwhelmed by his abilities, not "he's just a husk". It would have helped explain Gideon's obsession with Lucy in a way that made more sense then what we got. Still, I was pretty much hooked all the way through and would def watch a second season, they left us lots of hanging threads. In the shallow end - I thought Nikesh Patel was cute (too young looking for me) but add the full beard and yowza! Suddenly sexy!