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That's the thing -- she was very sweet to Gillian and said all the right soothing things, but I never know with Caroline just how much is natural kindness and how much is a very smart woman who knows how to manipulate people. At least with Gillian, there's never the slightest doubt about what she's really thinking. I think Caroline is using Kate. She needs Kate's money from the sale of Kate's house to buy out John and then contribute monthly to the mortgage on Caroline's house. Now it appears she doesn't really want a baby, but is going to allow Kate to go through the whole pregnancy through a donor father thing, while all the time counting on Kate having another miscarriage. Darn cold, I'm thinking. I love the actress, though. She narrated all forty episodes of "Lark Rise to Candleford," with her beautiful voice.

When Andi was repeatedly telling Chris that she didn't really want to blame Iowa, I kept expecting him to burst into "You Ought to Give Iowa a Try," from "The Music Man."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV7ZcVFSWWU The people in the movie kind of explain Chris's manner, too. I'm glad he didn't sob into the camera. None of the men I know would cry in public if you tortured them with hot pokers. Fantasy Suite Episode is where the show always explodes my head. I don't think of myself as a prude but having sex with one guy the night before you get engaged to another guy, while your parents and a million other people are sort of watching, is just too much of a stretch for me. I'm not looking forward to the heartbreak ahead. Nick and Josh are both totally in love and completely confident they've won. At least, when it happens, I hope someone has a handkerchief and we don't have to watch Andi turn her lower eyelids inside out with gouging.

Not only will John tell everyone, he'll write it in a novel. Speaking of which, when did, "She has the body of a sixteen year-old boy," become a compliment?

Ghoulina: I'm going with number two and it's too sad because I think Hayden's really sweet with her. He may be competing against some really good looking boyfriends at home because, as Hayden said, she's a super cute girl. Caleb continues in the ninth grade mindset of thinking that getting a girl to like you is only a matter of convincing her of just how much you like her. Ghoulina again: I know. I don't see Donny as some sort of stealth brainiac but he sure is a nice guy and compared to Amber he actually is a genius. Most four year olds that know the straight edge pieces don't go smack in the middle of the puzzle. The facial hair: Caleb's face is already too short and square and he just makes it shorter when he edges it with that black line of beard. Sometimes he reminds me of Charlie Sheen and, for me, that's not a good thing at all.

The most telling thing to me was the little old man who had seen the four killers outside a store. He said he had picked Sarah in the line-up but realized later it was because, just before the curtain opened to show the line-up, they had flashed a big picture of Sarah. I think it might have been a trick to overlay a false memory of that face on top of the real face of the real perpetrator. That would explain Linda saying that she saw the face so close and will never forget it, blah, blah. There really should be an investigation of Canyon, Idaho's courthouse.

I think he's creepy and I love him for it. For me, his spooky voice and gaunt appearance just add to the horror of some of the crimes. Last night was the Idaho woman car-jacked, throat cut, stabbed 17 times, and left for dead by four young people. I felt sorry for her but even sorrier for Sarah who I'm sure didn't do it.

I didn't see anybody's weight listed on the tracker so maybe they took that out? I did find it a little bit interesting. Some of the guys who did the most "fitness activity" actually had the least total steps and I thought the women burning around 1500 calories was interesting. I was always told women burned about 2000 per day. Maybe if they picked some of their clothes off the floor their hearts would burst.

I agree Backformore. I think it would make the show, and the entire process, better if there was sort of an unwritten rule that if someone refuses to do an activity, or argues with the B about something -- she/he doesn't get cut at the very next rose ceremony. That person would be given a week to recover favor. It would add an element of freedom for the cast and it would make better viewing for me if more people felt able to talk back to the star. Eric was a good example. I didn't totally agree with his criticism of Andi's "acting," but it gave us a peek at Andi's angry side and she had a chance to tell us all how exhausting the show was for her. If she hadn't been able to send him off in a huff, Eric might have eventually become one of her favorites. Who doesn't like a person who respects us enough to demand our best?

I had decided to quit watching because it was just depressing to watch everyone follow Devin's orders -- but now...viva la revolution! I loved Hayden's shudder over Devin's man hug and the meeting of the three apple pie, bald eagle fans.

I don't think Andi would have any trouble adjusting to Iowa either. We moved from Washington D.C. to England to Atlanta area in Georgia to farm country Ohio and believe me I "adjusted," with joy. Here it is mid-summer and we can actually have picnics and other outdoor activities without having to go home early because of the sweltering conditions. In Georgia I had to limit my gardening to 15 minute intervals because of the heat stroke warnings and I gave up walking my dog after she did a few lie down strikes at the end of my driveway. I can be in one of three big cities in 45 minutes and the nice part is that I'm actually covering about 60 miles in that period, not 45 minutes covering ten miles of Atlanta traffic. The people here are the friendliest I've ever met and they aren't morons just because they own farms instead of some other business. My newest friend takes me with her to the theatre and ballet in Columbus and we can drive home without too many narrow escapes with out lives.

Those boys have bigger problems than changing house. Imagine going to a school where your mother is "the boss," and everyone knows she's sleeping with one of the teachers.

If Andi picks anyone but Nick, I won't understand her at all. I think he would be within his rights to feel "led on." I think Chris might feel led on, too, but with far less reason. It's always been a fantasy of mine to live on a farm, but I don't find Chris attractive at all and his 16 arrests in his wild youth, while far in the past, would be something I would worry about. We've all done dumb things when were very young but fleeing the scene of an accident is a biggie to me. I would think Andi might have less tolerance for that sort of thing than most people because of all the petty criminals she's had to see in her work.

Oh sure, I didn't mean it was a requirement in passing the bar, just that Andi is a trial lawyer and I can't picture a judge putting up with a lot of tears in the court room.

Chris's farm was wonderful and his tractor was awesome, so I don't know why his family had to sell him so hard. His mother was all, "I was a city girl and I love farming and you can be a lawyer in town or anything else you want and have pretty grand children for me please, please, please." They were really nice though. I would much rather join a family like that than Josh's where they might forget her name if she doesn't show up for every single football game. Josh's rapid fire monologues drive me nuts. Take a breath, Bubba! You sound like you're doing short-stop chatter to distract the batter. I think Marcus' striptease had producer pressure written all over it, but he should have refused. Nick's mother was so sweet and pretty. My husband is from Minnesota and has 11 siblings and his parents have a wall of photographs, too. Deja vu. I thought a big family would be great but after 30 years I'm still the outsider looking in and they know next to nothing about me. They're very nice but they just don't need anyone else. Right. The was quiet and appropriate, last night's seemed forced and uncomfortable. Was Andi always this emotional? Not just about Eric, but all the tears over everything just don't seem very lawyerly to me. I may be the most cynical person in the world but I'm starting to wonder if her handkerchief has pepper spray on it or something. What ever it is I wish they had given some to Josh who looked like he was going to burst trying to squeeze out a tear.

Another action packed episode. What did Celia say, "Raff's put a girl in the pudding?" Heh. Yes, she can be judgmental but I don't like Raff's girlfriend much, turning all mean on Alan after he had been so kind to her. I know she was in pain but I've never seen that as an excuse to be nasty. Agree with all of you that Alan needs to be shielded from stress much more than he is. It was stupid of Gillian not to have guessed that they were skipping the big wedding because he shouldn't go through something like that. His heart attack was so bad his doctor thought he wasn't going to make it -- does she think he's as good as new now? So. The money issues. Caroline is asking Celia for $100,000 after already contributing to the purchase of the house and for what exactly? How do you own a fourth of a house? The same with Kate. Sell her own house and go half-zies on the big house for the sake of Caroline's boys? I like Caroline, I agree with Kate that she's magnificent, but I'm not really feeling the love from her toward Kate. Poor Kate gets all dreamy eyed over every drop of affection from Caroline, but not vice versa. Could she be using Kate? Meanwhile Gillian is left high and dry at the farm without Alan's contribution. Has he not thought of that? If Gillian drops Robbie because she thinks John's going to have half a million and she might benefit then she's a fool. Here I thought she was a girl who thought with her lower bits! Robbie is way hotter.

My, WOSU PBS has just shown this one for the first time. I'm all choked up! First the sadness of the break-up, then the proposal. Sigh. Louisa and Doc both aggravate me at times but I do want them to be happy. Even the receptionist's gambling addiction and her mother being mean to her was very sad. Something about the beauty of the setting and Doc's dog, who looks exactly like a pound rescue I once had, really get to me.

Thanks! I'm going in.

I apologize in advance for this dumb question: The Live Feeds thread is tagged "spoilers." Does this mean spoilers in the sense of, "Reality Steve says this person is the winner," or just, "This challenge is happening now but hasn't aired on the show yet?"

Yes, I expect the people in Europe now think all young American men wear shocking pink trousers with flowered bedspreads around their necks. Nick -- I don't exactly see what Andi sees but I'm definitely on his side when the guys start their, "You're just out to win, it's not fair." He's out to win because he's in love with Andi and wants to marry her, dudes. Why aren't you playing as hard? Brian -- I hope his hometown ladies have watched and been warned. He blew his one-on-one by not even trying to make it fun and then he gets all mad over the guys laughing inside the house, after the tragedy of his eviction. I don't remember seeing him sobbing on the sofa after the other dozen guys were cut. Josh -- Totally self-centered in every conversation. Andi: "I'm so excited to be meeting your family." Josh: "There going to be so excited to see me!" Andi: "What kind of questions do you think your mother will ask me?" Josh: "She'll be so excited to see me and yada yada me. Andi should recognize this syndrome from Juan Pablo and the Nightmare Suite date where he talked about himself and his great moments in sports all night long. Chris -- When he's feeling bitter, he does something ugly with his upper lip that makes me hate him. Also, I live in the Midwest in big farm country and not only do we need lots of lawyers, all the farm wives I know have paying jobs. It provides that stable income for essentials during the years when the weather is bad and prices are down. Marcus -- I'll be waiting in my rowboat to carry you off after you come in second.

Sadly, I think Kate is head over heels in love and would do anything Caroline asked, while Caroline seems much less committed.

I didn't catch that Castersugar, but I wouldn't put it past Celia when she's angry. I'm so glad it's back, I love all these crazy people. Gillian never should have told Caroline she slept with John. She said she didn't want to have something "between them," but now they have that between them. What a great scene though! "You're probably thinking I'm a low life trailer trash," "Yes, I am, but that's just because I'm a snotty bitch." I love Gillian even with her poor impulse control. The woman simply cannot keep her knickers on. Anyone notice how Gillian's son gained about four inches and forty pounds overnight? I think Caroline might have lost 15. I'm disappointed we aren't going to get a big wedding with Kate playing "The Arrival of the Queen of Sheba."

Be grateful you don't have Jacosta representing your team. I noticed she had the lecturing finger waving while she was praying. I guess God needed some schooling. These new rules give me wild dream, like maybe Caleb and Pow-pow being nominated next week and going down together in a brain challenge.

All I keep thinking is -- They're all so much nicer than last year! I like Devin and Joey and I'm excited that he likes her, so maybe there will be a showmance I can root for this time. I also like Duck Donnysty and Nicole, may they form a side alliance and keep it quiet.

What's really strange to me is she put's it on when someone is saying how much they love her or how awesome she is. It goes with her "Awww." Just when we might expect a pleased smile and a, "Thank you," we get a reaction that would be more appropriate if he was showing her his infected toe from wearing flip flops through streets paved with pigeon doodle. I know! At first glance I thought those pants were just so much fresh wet spray tan. Then she followed up with another side boob number for the rose ceremony.

I thought the lie detector test was too invasive, too. Maybe if all the questions had been of the, "Are youa here for a righta reason?" sort it would have been okay but now the world knows Dylan doesn't always wash his hands and no future improvement will change that for him. JJ is so meanly competitive, I'm glad he's gone, but I agree he looks handsome when he's sad. Too bad all we saw was corny old man impressions and childish tattle tale behavior. He needs walking lessons ,too. It's a shame how a little thing like holding your elbows too close to your sides can throw off your whole image. Josh interrupts Andi, talks over her and gets angry over nothing. If he's that overbearing with a lawyer think how he would be with the average young woman? I would love to see Andi light into him the way she did Juan Pablo. He needs to learn some conversational manners. Cody was overbearing also, but in a slightly nicer way. He was bringing his Personal Trainer Positive Thinking to dating, as if making someone love him was like making himself bench press 200 pounds. He means well, but it really is all about him. I seriously doubt if Andi was even his type but he hadn't noticed in his campaign to win. Chris was the main man for me last week because he refused to judge Andrew, but this week he was judging JJ for being honest about his feelings of jealousy and judging Nick for jumping in first for the cocktail five minute moment. All of sudden he was just too bossy and superior about everything for my liking. I'm on the fence about Nick but I did think the most interesting line of the night was Andi telling him she liked a man who was well liked by everyone. I've never heard anyone say that and never really considered it in my own list of requirements. If that goes along with, aggressive kisser, good athlete, and gun lover in Andi's list; Nick just isn't going to work in the long run. I can't picture him at her father's backyard BBQ getting along with all the garrulous Georgia men.