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Jenelle: "If I wasn't pregnant..." I'd be fighting for custody of Jace I'd be working at a medical facility putting my education to use I'd be at Jace's school volunteering my time and helping the teacher I'd be helping at Jace's school fundraisers for the year The real Jenelle: She'd be sleeping all damn day while Kaiser is in his crib crying all damn day She'd be screaming and yelling at Kaiser to shut up. The dogs too She'd be getting high, high, HIGH! She'd be posting selfies all day long She'd be fighting with all the haters on social media

That is not a toilet paper roll. Look again. LOL

If Amber's friend is gay, he could have been prostituting himself to feed a drug habit. Then again, straight guys are known to prostitute themselves to both sexes regardless of their sexual preference, especially if they are desperate for cash to feed a drug problem.

I don't have that much time right now, but just wanted to post a few things. I nearly cried when Larry said all that he said to Jen and about what was going on. I could feel the hurt he was expressing. Poor man. Jen hasn't helped matters. Ryan cannot expect to ever grow up as long as he has Jen as an enabler in his life. The comment about wrenches just made me instantly believe there is a drug issue at hand. Being a moocher can garner major anger, but drugs is a whole other level. For Larry to say he doesn't want to ever see Ryan again, it has to be drugs. Larry may have thought all of this time it was just Ryan being a moocher, but upon discovering something about his tools, that may have been the thing that set him off. I bet Larry has been noticing money missing, other items missing, he may have thought they had a prowler on the property, he may have not wanted to put the blame on anyone and it wasn't until Larry caught her in lies and likely caught Ryan doing something. Farrah - those poor employees. Get out while you can!! Amber - you are chubby because you eat junk and lie around all damn day. Cate - I just can't with you. You gotta help yourself for your child's sake. Clearly, she is not a priority to you at all.

But Maci was trying on white wedding gowns several episodes ago. My theory is she was told by either her mother or grandmother, or possibly both of them told Maci it would be better if she wore something that wasn't white. Maci's mom sure didn't look happy or pleased with Maci as she put on those wedding dresses in the store. I had wondered if perhaps it was due to the color of the dress. Maci has mentioned her grandmother more than once on how she was the one pushing her into being married. That's what Maci says. No doubt Maci wanted it as well, but I can see her grandmother likely pressing the issue. Maci then mentioned her grandfather was the one who was going to officiate at her wedding. Is he a pastor? Maci may have just gotten an earful from the grandparents and her mom and decided on the other color.

She did the minute she went back home to him.

:-o Terrible!

Catelynn meant she thought things would be better for herself. Her exclamation about things changing was that she thought things would fall into place, having a baby would fill the void and she would overcome whatever was plaguing her. Upon rewatching the scene where Tyler exclaims Catelynn's problems are hers and his problem are his, I don't think he meant it the way it came out, although it did come off sounding pretty nasty. I think what he meant was, per Catelynn's therapists, he is not to constantly bringing things to her attention such as telling her what it is he thinks she is doing wrong such as her eating too much food or him constantly being on her ass about what he thinks she should be or not be doing. For example, during the kitchen scene when Catelynn is washing dishes, Tyler brings up to Cate if she has called and made an appointment with her psychiatrist. Catelynn then reminds him he is not supposed to be asking her such questions. He then backs off. Catelynn then says it is ok for him to be concerned, he just needs to lay off pushing and trying to control her. In other words, it is Catelynn's responsibility to follow up with her therapist or psychiatrist. It is on her as a responsible adult and patient to follow through with what she needs to do. She is not a child. If she fails to follow through on her end, she will endure the consequences. You can't force the unwilling to seek help. IMO I think that is what that comment to Kim was what he meant. YMMV.

Tyler paid for his sister's titty job. There was a time when Kim was upset with Tyler for not having a job and telling him MTV wasn't going to be around forever. That wasn't that long ago. I am sure Tyler had already provided his mother with some nice presents. Kim didn't always hold back.

Maci got tips from Catelynn on having a wedding filmed by MTV: http://www.reveal.co.uk/showbiz-celeb-gossip/news/a684216/teen-moms-maci-bookout-talks-wedding-plans-and-baby-names-weve-got-a-few-we-like.html "So far, that's the plan," she revealed. "[Catelynn Lowell] has given me some tips on having the camera crew and MTV be a part of it. That's been helpful. Filming is a lot of work, so having that added stress can be a little rough. She's been talking to me about how to handle it, so that's been nice."

I was rooting for Kim in that moment. I want that Kim back!!

Matt probably put that print on the wall as a reminder to Amber that she will be found one day with a bullet in her head if she ever leaves him. I am so not internet savvy. I was lucky to have found Kail's driving records. What does this mean?

Except she is not calling out Tyler. If she called them both out, I'd be sitting here with a big ol' grin on my face.

If Cate wants privacy, she needs to get her ass off this show, off social media, stop it all, and get some real help. Cate is not doing herself any favors by continuing to engage in certain behaviors, but then expecting people around her to remain quiet. Even if Kim didn't say anything, there are those who are around her who would be willing to sell a story for some quick cash as a source. She did herself no favors by covering up the cameras as she went to town with April while getting high while driving. I am only mad at Kim for not calling out Tyler. If she is not going to call him out, then remain quiet about Cate. As for Cate not looking like someone who is not doing any sort of other drugs, that may or may not be true. I have known at least two people who worked in certain positions of the health care facility I work at who entered rehab due to their cocaine addiction. We have a family friend who is a police officer. He divorced his wife who had a cocaine problem. Those people didn't "seem" to be addicts at all. You'd be surprised who abuses drugs nowadays. Just recently the lady who did those Snapple commercials just came out and admitted she was a coke fiend for over ten years. She wasn't thin or sickly looking. Tyler is an ass for his remarks about women driving trucks. Real women drive and pay for trucks. Hey Tyler, you are on a show called Teen Moms. Think about that. Who raised you? Not your dad. Such classless comments from one who looks like a girl.

The bold is mine - Jenelle kills me. As if an expired restraining order means Dave is no longer a danger or a threat. If only David would expire on October 22nd. No one is safe with that bastard around.

This^^^. Pretty sad that we have to defend our opinions. I think a female who keeps getting married to different guys and insists on having a wedding each time (Leah, and no doubt Kail will be following suit one day) is far more questionable than a young lady having married for the first time.

Kail's body is not reality. It is one big, fat (no pun intended) lie. To then use filters or photoshop only means she is still not content with what she sees in the mirror. Filters and photoshop can't change the ugly that exists on the inside.

Did you see his topless photo? The thing is, how will she then maintain that weight and keep from gaining weight if her eating habits do not change and she is still plagued by the same issues in her life? Just look at what happened to Cate by going to rehab. She goes to rehab. She claims to have felt better, but there she goes right back to the same routine she had before she went to rehab. Gastric surgery and rehab are not meant to be quick fixes. They are to be done in conjunction with aftercare and a lifestyle change. Two things Cate did not do after rehab. She was doomed from the start.

Matt looks like he has a rodent in each cheek of his mouth.

You were close, Tyler. Very close. I did post the title of this episode should be changed to Mother Fucker's Day. The only mothers I see on this show worthy of being celebrated as a mother is Maci, Jen, Kristina, and Gary. Quick story. My niece (from my husband's side) came over last week just as I was watching the scene where Tyler is crying over Catelynn going to rehab. She is a watcher of this show. She is in her 30s. As Tyler started crying, I was rolling my eyes and she was sitting there saying, "Awww poor Tyler. He really loves her." I turned my head so fast, I heard a snap in my neck. I put the tv on pause and began to educate this niece on the real Tyler. I shared with her that photo @Brooklynista posted here of topless Tyler. I then asked her what husband posts a photo like that of himself on the internet. Nuff said to her.

I never called her out as racist. I called her out for her racist attitude. Reread my post. What I think gets thrown around too much is Kail and her humpty dumpty ass. That shit needs a bulldozer to carry around. Kail is trying too hard trying to look like Khloe Kardashian.

Kim: "Whoo, I'm tired" (after working all day) Cate: "Me too." Me: "Bitch, please!" Why are you tired? Smoking weed all day? Trying to hump a disinterested Tyler? Cleaning? Cooking? Taking care of Nova? Whatever. Boring episode.

This episode should be re-titled Mother-fuckers Day.

A grunge band. lol How appropriate considering this is Amber and Matt. I will take keyboards. Just low enough so I can sit on the couch. This may be why this damn show is still on the air. MTV is hoping to milk it. Teen Mom: Second Generation

Agree. I will add he is likely on the internet having online sex chats and trying to score via Ashley Madison or some cheap knock off site.