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I find it offensive. It's one thing for Cate to think and believe that, it is another for her to say that on television knowing Teresa will hear her say such a thing. Cate is almost rubbing salt into Teresa's wounds. To me, that would be like Teresa announcing on television "I did Cate a favor by adopting Carly because she could never be a mother." And to me, it is not about whether Cate has said worse. It is the overall attitude that statement makes and pretty much sums up the underlying thoughts C&T have had all along - they did this huge favor for B&T and now they deserve all of their requests to be adhered to by B&T. My point of view comes from the fact I am an adopted child. This whole thing has put adoption in a bad light. If anyone makes a decision to abort or keep their baby because of this mess, I blame MTV, Bethany, and C&T. They are all accountable in some way. Adoption works and has worked for many, many families. I would question any person who requests an open adoption. I would think there is something else going on there, but it has nothing to do with the best interest of the baby. Only in rare instances do I believe open adoption can work, but with certain restrictions in place. I won't get into what those restrictions are at this point. Choices made by Cate &Tyler as teens is one thing. Choices made as adults is another matter. As adults, they are not respecting the boundaries. They can't go back in time and say they didn't know. The point is, they know the open adoption agreement is not a legal binding document. They have a warped sense of what they are entitled to. In fact, they are warped for thinking they are entitled to anything from Brandon & Teresa. B&T do not owe them a damn thing. I am not hearing them say they regret their choice, but they have taken matters to a level that has never been healthy for Carly whatsoever. Everything I am hearing from C&T is how they feel. It is Cate and Tyler's feelings. Tyler is angry. Cate is sad. What about CARLY'S FEELINGS? Those two never consider her at all. Just like how they don't consider their own child. Tyler and Cate are making some outlandish requests. I am floored at the request for the yearly DVDs of Carly's birthday. What fucking nerve! No, you should not be allowed to see how B&T celebrate their child's birthday. You are not entitled to see the various family members and friends that are in Carly's life. They have a right to privacy. God, I feel sympathy for Brandon, Teresa, and Carly because they can't just go and live their lives without Cate's invisible umbilical cord wrapped around them. Cate wants to spend the whole day with a child? To do what? Slobber all over her and tell her you love her? She knows that already. You have told her many, many times. What else? To take photos? You get a yearly photo. What a couple of ingrates. I can see C&T taking Nova and telling Carly "This is your sister, Novalee!" B&T seem to be putting the kibosh on all this nonsense. Thank goodness. As an adopted child, I cannot imagine the craziness that would have been my life if my bio parents were allowed to visit me and expecting to spend the day with me. They would have been a disruption in my life. I would not know where the line was drawn. I have no care to ever know who those people are or if they are still alive. I would feel violated if they continued to want to be a part of my life and expected photos and videos of my personal memories with my family. My memories of my family are cherished memories. To even try to imagine if my bio parents were sharing all of that with people I didn't even know, I'd be fucking upset. I thank my bio parents in my prayers for giving me to the people who actually raised me and loved me. My adoptive parents were my parents in every sense of the word. I have a sister whose bio mother came into her life after my sister had married and had children. It did not end well. Her bio mother was expecting to establish this mother-and-daughter relationship that just did not exist. She wasn't asking to be called "mom", but she was trying to get her own children to connect with their "long lost sister". My sister was upset. She had to sever the relationship. It was just too much for my sister to bear. She didn't want to connect with people who were not her siblings. Being blood-related does not make a relationship. Carly was a voiceless party in this transaction. Cate and Tyler need to stop behaving as if B&T should be grateful to them and guilt them into sharing Carly and her private life and memories with them. C&T have abused the trust given to them by B&T. C&T are demanding a level of openness that is unrealistic and unhealthy. Teresa has likely felt the burden and guilt to provide emotional support to Cate by way of having this open communication with her through emails, phone calls, and texts. Last thought of mine, but I am sure I will have more as I think about this whole mess. There is the big possibility if these visits continue in the future, Carly may try to manipulate her parents and C&T by playing one against the other. Sorry for the long post. So many thoughts are in my head.

My poor monitor. I just spit all over it after laughing like a hyena after coming across the Bat Boy and Sophia photos. I am dying!!!!! See, that is why I should refrain from drinking anything while on these boards. Gotta make this quick. Maci - what happened?Because I fast-forward during her scenes. Thank goodness for DVRs. Amber - you are a scumbag and that is why Matt is perfect for you. Your loverboy there is quick to shell out YOUR money for his "son" whom he hasn't had a relationship with in ten years. Christopher thought he was going to get paid. Matt and him are in cahoots. Matt told him it is better to be on the show with him and Amber than to sell stories about him as a deadbeat dad. Even Stevie Wonder could see that scam. Farrah - you get what you give, and you give a whole lotta shit to people. If you can't bother to train your employees and spend the time to train them, they will be calling you in a panic when things happen. Farrah has to know what she is doing in her own business in order to teach that to her employees. To Farrah, this is like running a lemonade stand on the front lawn. Cate - What a drag. I hope Brandon and Theresa pull the plug on your visitations with Carly. They have every right. It is THEIR daughter, not yours.

Amber was released because she completed certain prison programs, completed her GED, and received credit for good behavior. When one is sentenced to prison, there is always the chance they will get out early due to over-crowding, good behavior, and completion of programs.

I can see it now. It reminds me of an I Love Lucy episode. Lucy and Ethel fought over who owned a broken down washing machine. They claimed it belonged to the other because it was worthless. As soon as they found out how much the repair guy would pay for it, suddenly it became a struggle as each claimed ownership.

Of course he sees how bad it is, that is why he was on her ass about making that appointment. She kept blowing it off. She told him to stop telling her about it. He is damned for asking and he is damned for not doing. What the hell is he supposed to do if his wife tells him to leave her alone and that she will get to it when she wants? I highly doubt Cate is sleeping 16 hour days when it is important such as right now as she is walking around Los Angeles. If she is sleeping so much, perhaps getting off the bong would be the first thing she needs to do. I laugh at the thought Cate is sleeping in the whole day when there is a concert to go to or when she has something planned that is not mundane to her. Cate is not sleeping. She is busy posting her daughter naked on Snap Chat. She isn't too tired, depressed, or sleeping to do that. She can call out people by calling them "retards". I suppose that is her depression and her mental illness that is at fault. We don't even know if that was Cate's first attempt at going to the psychologist office. She may have called and canceled appointments before this one. We don't know if Tyler did in fact ask her if she wanted him to drive her there. I could see Tyler wanting to drive her since he is so adamant and somewhat controlling about her being seen by the psychiatrist. Cate probably blew him off and told him she would go on her own. We know Tyler wasn't there or else Cate would have mentioned it in her explanation to him. She goes into detail about hitting the snooze button. She wouldn't be saying that to Tyler if in fact he was home.

You in danger, girl. Didn't Debra learn long ago about being burned by some guy online? Now, here she is engaged after dating three months.

Wth???? She must've been high when she had that done. No way??? Hilarious. How damn fitting is this? I swear, I think the auto-corrects on our devices have a sixth sense. This is as funny as the first time someone posted Kail and it auto-corrected to Jail. Bacteria it is from now on.

I take a beach chair. The towel is for drying off.

Did Cate delete it already? I don't see it.

I read this so fast, I didn't even notice you posted Mr. & Mrs. Bacteria. lol I was skimming through and saw there were not that many negative comments. I am guessing Cate is in her hotel room, eating herself to death as she goes through the comments.

I just noticed someone tweeted "stay classy" to Cate, and she thought it was a compliment. What an idiot. The person than had to clarify they were being sarcastic. I see Catelynn has shared what she has learned from Kail's How to Apologize When You Don't Really Mean It course.

Again? Just stop. There is nothing you two can do to put those FACTS to rest. Why do they persist on calling them rumors? Tyler and Cate, get a life. I don't mean posting photos of yourselves in Los Angeles today. I should take a drive to where they are and just tell them both to fuck off. Farrah deals with an errant employee. Mmm...more like an employee deals with a shitty boss.

I was a huge fan of this show when it originally aired. There was an episode, that happened to air last night, about Jill and the autistic boy. That episode was the exact same episode of another drama show. I think it was Mod Squad. Julie had befriended a boy and she was later shot by a gun he had found. Anyone know the episode?

Glad I am not the only one who was so turned off by the family edition. It is bad enough when people put the needs of the dog when deciding on what home to buy. I don't need to see children put in their two cents. Hell, they are not even putting in two cents as much as it was all about what they wanted. Screw you HGTV for ever putting this garbage on.

Back in my days, our schools had us kids bring in the Campbell's Soup labels. Did anyone else do that? Amber did her parenting for the rest of the year when she took Leah shopping. Why did Matt have to be there? Why is Matt always driving? Why is that asshole in every scene?

This. *jaw drops* I need the details about Bea Arthur and her son.

Assuming it is medical marijuana. We only have Cate's word that she has a card. Is it a legit card from a legit doctor? Catelynn is a POS for putting her child out there the way she did. I don't have Snapchat. I don't understand how it works. I do know it is a video of some sort. I wouldn't want to see it anyways if it is still available. I am just crushed that poor Nova has no say in any of this behavior. These mofos can kiss my ass. I am so sick of them.

@lezlers It was that much. Tyler mentioned it to the therapist.

Amen. Someone here posted how they would have ended up on welfare. I believe MTV would have still chosen them for the show (Teen Mom) even if they kept their baby. Their overall story of growing up with abuse and addiction, on top of so many willing participants to showcase their private lives in exchange for a check, made it so easy for MTV to choose them for this show.

The link to the story is on a previous page.

I wouldn't be surprised if Farrah showed Sophia how to text. She has "taught" her how to put on make-up. Farrah treats that girl as if she is her mini-me rather than her child.

Tyler had Nova's diaper on backwards. Not disagreeing that Tyler must do some things for Nova. I just don't think he is doing anything for her that is more than Cate has done. I think they put in the same amount of work and care for that child, which IMO, is not a whole lot. They have both admitted to leaving Nova for five days out of the week at April's place. That means, April is the one picking up the slack for both of them. I do get that Tyler can be frustrated with and is at his wit's end with Cate, but that doesn't mean he is caring for Nova because Cate is unable to or not wanting to. Tyler is busy with the new house. He should be since he has no job and nothing else going on.

April should have received a gift for Father's Day gift since she cares for Nova. Nova likely spent those 30 days at April's while her daughter was in rehab for "anxiety".

There it is right there^^^^^. No cameras, no thanks. Also, the school doesn't have couches in the classroom for Amber to sprawl her ass on. Will Amber's new boutique specialize in couch throws or cover-ups?

Her mother?