Miles

I still call bullshit on them trusting Farouk. Remember, this isn't a new thing. He was running around freely at the end of last season. Somehow they trust a mass murderer, mass torturer and mass rapist over their old friend, because some future tart said he was going to destroy the world. In some timeline that is probably never going to happen. Also even if they think David is going to destroy the world, they should never trust Farouk. There should be a bomb implanted in his skull and even then I wouldn't fully trust him.

That one really got me. Even if you 100% believe that David will bring about the apocalypse, why would you let Faruk just walk around without a dampener on? He is still extremely dangerous and could kill all of you with a thought. Keep him in a basement, in case you need him, sure but not this. Also David hasn't shown any sign of mental illness after Farouk was removed from his mind. So I don't buy this sudden bout of shizophrenia. You can't just delude yourself into being sane (I think that's what they tried to sell us). This is some major bullshit. Yes that was certainly very icky. But the writers made him batshit crazy all of a sudden, so I don't think he thought he was raping her and it would probably be diminished capacity in a court of law. On the other hand, Syd tried to straight up murder him in cold blood, while seemingly completely sane. So who's the villian here? I stoped watching somewhere in the middle of the season and only now caught up and I was the same as you with season one...

Is it just me or did Logan and his Navi buddy, he got the information from, have way more sexual chemistry than him and Veronica ever had? I expected them to kiss any second.

"The beauty of being friends with me is that wwhatever you've done, I've done something worse." Except making sure that somebody with a strong motive and opportunity didn't commit a bunch of murders, apperently. That went too far! Girl what's the worst thing you've done, really? Stole a pack of gum? I get that this is a massive breach of trust. But is it worse than cheating on somebody, for example, something you seemed to be fine with. I don't think so. She didn't even bug your flat or your bedroom, she just bugged your office. Seems to me like you are fine with your friends betraying somebody, unless you are the victim of said (minor) betrayel, then it's unforgivable. That's called being a hypocrite.

Maybe next he can solve crimes on television with a handmaid. (I'm still sad that show didn't catch on)

>eah that makes sense. I kinda only remembered that scene while writing. Guess I should have edited myself at that point, but I have to say, this episode made me kinda giddy.

Cuss this is good! I never knew how much I missed this show. Do I remember wrong or was the movie not nearly this good? Were you spoiled or did you just know? It was so obviously telegraphed that a bomb was going to go off and the scene went on and on, that I went from dread to impatience to slight annoyance. I guess in hindsight, you could have known from the opening scene, but I didn't think about that in the moment. There was just so much mundane stuff in the scene, that I knew it could only end with a bomb going off. Also he looks fiiiiine. Well, what I got from the Comic Con Conan interview was that the scripts were already written when Hulu told them "make it PG13" (which is a baffling move for a show with this much rape, child rape and murder) and he said "cuss it" and rather than rewrite the scenes, just replaced the word. I personally like it. It feels like the kind of dumb shit veronica and her father would do. I think it might have worked if they'd had just the instrumental version of the old song in a new arrangement. But yeah, the lyrics don't really fit anymore and they don't fit that new style of intro.

I mean this was mostly boring. It might have been interesting had it been a season ago, with better episodes around it, but as it is, it's just a boring retread, surrounded by dumb. So June wants to get all the children out? To where? She should know by now that Canada isn't safe. I'm sure this is going to go great... Btw. why would they throw a multi use scalpel in the same bin as used needles? Could the show not afford a single use scalpel or something? Or did a plastic scalpel just not look cinematic enough to them and they were going for style over substance again?... Yes, I know the answer...

Only terrible shows employ plot armor this thick. This show hasn't been a terrible show thus far. If Hopper just survived a flesh melting explosion, with no exit on his side of that electricity shield (apart from the rift to the upside down), this show has officially jumped the shark and I'm going to stop watching. But I have more faith in the Duffer brothers than you do. I don't think they suddenly had brain aneurysms and turned into terrible hack frauds. So I'll be able to enjoy future seasons as well. :)

So he just survived a massive explosion paired with a massive electrical discarche, that tore the meat of everybody else in the room, while he was standing right next to the source of the explosion and then somehow the russians grabbed him, while the american military was storming the base, got him out of that base and smuggeled him back to Russia? Yeah, sure, sounds reasonable. /s

The mindflayer controls everything in the upside down, including the Demagorgon. The mindflayer itself is that weird black smoke monster. The upside down is interesting. It looks like our world, just infested. From what we know now. how the mind flayer reshapes animals and people, it's possible that until recently tthe upside down was a paralel dimension that had developed exactly like our own, until the mind flayer got there and converted everybody into Demagorgons and the like. So it's a preview of things to come, if the mindflayer ever got here fully,

Heven't read the other comments yet. Will do so shortly. We are all clear on the fact that hopper dove through the rift into the upside down to escape the explosion, right? Right. Edit: Seems like a lot of people think Hop is a prisoner in russia. I don't see how. His only way out was the rift to the upside down. Unless the russians somehow got their own rift going and pulled him out. Certainly would explain the demagorgon. But I think the upside down maps to our world geographically. So I don't think the russians pulled Hopp from a rift in russia. I rather think part of next season will be the gang figuring out that Hop is trapped in the upside down and their quest of getting him out. Billie might have had the best redemtion story I've seen in years. I mean withstanding a mind flayer. That's some hardcore shit. If only Joyce had turned those keys like 30 seconds sooner. I really liked this season. The nostalgia factor was never there with me, since I didn't grow up in the US or the 80s (born in 85, but when I was the age of the kids, it was the 90s). So I didn't get the big fuss around season one. It was good but not mind blowing to me. Season two, wasn't as good as season one. So this season might have been the best season so far for me. My nitpicks: - At the end of seaosn 1 El vaporised a Demagorgen, at the end of season 2 she closed a dimensional rift. So it's a bit hard to swollow that she is so much less powerfull now, for no discernible reason. She should have been able to atomise that monster, imo. - Man the US military is slow as fuck. They get a credible report about russians on US soil opening an interdimensional rift (and remember, they know that's real) and they take like half a day to show up? Hop and Joyce drove back from Illinois and still had time to infiltrate a top secret russian base. - An american speaking russian isn't going to fool anybody. I assume he had a very bad accent. - That's not how radios work. There was a scene earlier in the episode where the mall group didn't hear what was going on with the bunker group, when they should all be on the same frequency to share information. Otherwise one group will scream into the void half off the time, since Dustin can only have his radio tower tuned to one frequency. He even had to switch frequencies later to contact susie and then switch back with her, so the rest could hear. It's really a stretch that Susies radio tower could penetrate as far as the bunker considering how far away she was. Realistically Dustin would have had to repeat the numbers for them. But most of all, Only one person can talk at a time. So as much as I loved Dustin and Susie's duet of never ending story (theme song to an amazzing 80s movie, mostly shot in germany at Babelsberg studios [represent]), they wouldn't have been able to hear each other. Other people could have herd both of them, but there is no way they would have stayed in sync. Also what kind of super battery did Dustin have in the 80s? That radio tower was switched on for days and still running, with a bitching transmission power that could penetrate like a hundret meters of rock and reach somebody half a continent away. Whatever battery Dustin cooked up there, he could have ushered in the electric car revolution 4 decades early with it. PS: All those kids are really good singers. Respect.

I think we all get that the shame circle has been used beffore and is from the book, but it's still laughable when they use it to say "crybaby". "Shame", "weak", "her fault", etc. seem reasonable to tear somebody down, but "crybaby"? I'm surprised that actually rattled her and she didn't just break out laughing.

How dare you compare these writers to the ones of Sharknado?!.. The Sharknado writers are way better and know exactly what they are doing. ;D If Gilead wasn't racist and they valued children, no matter the race above all, you'd expect the aunts to say "They don't want a handmaid of color? Well though, then they aren't going to get any." After all how we've recently retconed, these commanders in Boston are all realtively low level, even though some of them are the architects of Gilead... I mean, whatever... Also handmaids are supposed to be a rare comodity. Not even enough for all the commanders to go around. Of course now they seem to be growing on trees... I mean, whatever...

It's the writers wanting their cake and eating it, too. In the book that kind of medical technology is banned, presumably as some kind of work of the devil and replaced by weird ceremonies. But in the show it is commonly used, yet you still get the births with these weird ceremonies but without medical equipment. Btw. I was a bit baffled that they didn't even try CPR.

I thought that he might be the "nephew", too. But if he dies now, aunt Lydia's actions won't make any sense. She took the kid from the mother, he died because of it and so she vows to take more children from their mothers? It would have made sense if he died through neglect by the mother and Lydia was blaming herself for not having had the boy taken away.

In the book Gilead was one giant white people breeding program. I was fine with the show having a different take in season one, where there are actually few children being born, not just white children and so it's an actual problem, that made Gilead value every fertile woman, no matter the race. But them now flipflopping on that IS infuriating! It doesn't make any sense within the world they established. Not to mention that handmaids (fertile women who have "sinned") seem to grow on trees now.

But they didn't, did they? They said they never had a problem with her before she was posted to the waterfords and that they must be the corrupting influence...

I think we all forgot some really really bad DUMB that was frontloaded in the episode, because of all of the DUMB throughout the rest. They basically told us that June isn't getting punished because she needs to be camera ready. She even mentions her tounge getting cut out. What the hell does she need her tounge for, to stand on TV with a scarf in front of her face?! There are also a bunch of other punishments that wouldn't be visible when she is fully clothed. worst. backstory. ever. I thought the mother was going to cause the death of the child. Thus driving aunt Lydia to extreme measures to ensure that future children will be save. Maybe Lydia even prevented CPS from taking the boy, because after getting to know the mother, she thought she could handle it. That would have made it extra tragic. It also would have played into the punishment where the handmaids have to admit their wrong doings and would have made a great bookend with a pregnant handmaid getting killed, which would mean that Lydia's actions caused another child to get killed. How can you fail at writing so hard, that you can't make these obvious, obvious choices? This shit basically writes itself! Yeah, but I think it meant "Yeah shoot aunt Lydia. I know we both feel like Emily did before she stuck a knife in Lydia's back, because I'm psychic now." At least that's how I interpreted her little internal speach beforehand. That makes at least two of us.

I don't think going to Alaska is such a great idea either. What happens when the rest of the US loses? Gilead seems to be gaining ground. In thhe real world, I'd say stay put in Canada. There is no way they are going to extradite refuges. In the world of the show, that runs on drama, I'd say do everything you can to get on a flight to europe. It's probably not going to be easy, but your life might depend on it. Speaking of the extradition drama. Where is Oprah in all of this? She is a Gileaden refugee in Canada. Why the hell don't we hear from her? There is no way she wouldn't throw her weight around. What kind of argument is that? Shows have to evolve, otherwise they become stale. Case in point this show. The story from the book, a Handmaid living in Gilead, was told and done after season one. There is a reason why Atwood ended it where she did. There wasn't more to tell from June's perspective. I mean the swiss should know what an aunt does... then aggain, all other countries seem to have forgotten what goes on in Gilead this season, so, maybe not... god this is stupid. I don't think them stealing scenes from the movie is a checkmark in the plus column. It goes against what they had established on the show so far. That's not a thing on the show. On the show there is a legit problem with many women being infertile. Mexico isn't a supersticious backwater shithole like Gilead and they haven't had any babies in years. (presumably because the radioactive fallout hit them harder than it hit the US east coast)

Why would you want the POV of an enemy of Gilead for that? I think seeing that play out through Serena's eyes is much more interesting. That is the world she created. See how she likes it in reality. If you want to explore the resistance in Gilead, you could do that through June in Canada. Let her keep up with connections. Maybe introduce a new character. Follow that character through the resistance. June herself has been burned as a spy a long time ago. She is probably the most known Handmaid in all of Gilead. It strains credibility that she is even still alive, let alone gets away with all thhis shit. Just because these writers don't do shit with Canada doesn't mean they couldn't. There would be a lot more to do there for June than she can do in Gilead. Character development is not filler. Arya training in Bravos was too drawn out, but that just comes down to D&D running out of books and being shitty writers, not them biding time for people to grow up. Reek might not have been pleasent to watch, but it was about the needed amount.

Your daughters are lesbian, gay, bi, trans and questioning? Damn. :D Someone with the name VCRTracking should know the answer to that question. ;)

First of all, the first five minutes were dumb. Why would you let your men stand next to an unsable device if there is no reason for them to be there? There generally weren't any executions in the sovjet union in the 80s, ceertainly not on the spot. Why would you kill your lead scientist who is very close to a breakthrough? That is some shit not even comic book super villians do. I know this is a supernatural show, but the humans didn't use to be cartoon characters, did they? Also there better be a supernatural explaination how that dude could hold and choke that 80+kg scientist with one arm for over a minute. He didn't have the arms for it. Hell, I'm not sure if the mountain from GoT (TV version) would have the arms for it. That's some hard lifting. Rest of the episode was mostly boring. Very 80s. Is annoying douche really dead? Wouldn't have expected that they'd axe him off in episode one.

Why do we need a POV character in Gilead? One season of torture porn was more than enough to establish how horrible that world is. Two was already too much. Now, it's just annoying and has lost all of it's horror, because of how cartoonish it has gotten. If we really need to explore more of Gilead the political structure would be it and we do have the Waterfords for that. They already have scenes and storylines that have nothing to do with June. GoT had filler? What would that have been? GoT was great, until the writers decided to make up their own shit instead of following the books (Tyrion's changed relationship with Shae, the Dorne bullshit) and eventually ran out of books to adapt and so had no choice to but to put their shitty writing "talents" to the test. If pass means make out with him hot and heavy I'd be all for it. At least something fun to watch. So? What does it matter if you nuke somebody once or ten times over? They aren't going to get more atomised. I never quite got that. Moss is... fine... at best. She always seems like she's mocking to the camera to me. She probably would be a great theater actress, where you have to project to the back of the house. But for TV and movies, it's too much. There even is a way better actress with Strahovski on this show... I personally think she will transform into Voltron.

Luke can't tie his own shoe laces. June has connections to the resistance. June could work that angle. And from a diplomatic angle, I know it shouldn't be the case in the era of equality, but a mother pleading for her child has a lot more impact than a father pleading for his. That's the diplomatic angle they should have explored this season. She knew all of that last season and would have known it if she escaped to Canada. How would they know? How could she not get that information from the resistance? And just to make that clear: She wouldn't need to find out Hannah's new location if she hadn't fucked up so royally. It's because of her that Hannah was moved in the first place. She hasn't accomplished anything after she had the opportunity to escape and actually made things worse. Which was to be expected. So? That's a reason to be stupid, make things worse and risk your other daughter sharing that same fate? Again, Holly is in a lot of danger of being sent back to Gilead now. June could get to her now. If the biological mother was in Canada, claiming her biological daughter and telling her story, instead of being paraded around by Fred on TV, there would be no danger of Holly being sent back.