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they definitely do stick, tho. Damon fixed the swing to not squeak and made a video that was still there, among other things.

Can I play? (ps: what does the two episodes, or in this case the Doggett and Reyes, after the hangman word mean?) M

Oh! that's right, the NOOOOOO afterword is the worst. I think that's what I'm remembering! (I haven't gotten there in my rewatch yet) If that was how she was directed, then its certainly not her fault. But the quieter desperation choice would have been better. Now I can't wait to get to these episodes, though :( Its heartbreaking

Ugh, yes! I laughed. Its like the scene in This is Not Happening. GA's choice of screaming "This is Not Happening!" is so jarring (and she rarely makes a poor choice in delivery). A quiet, desperate, shocked delivery of that line would have been so powerful. Now I see that scene and all I can hear is "Luke, I am your father" "Noooooooooo!!!!!" ;)

So, my thought on Kai taking Elena (sorry if this was addressed). He took the Traveler's magic from the Mystic Falls barrier spell. Maybe he figured out that Elena, with all her dopplelicious blood, would be a great source of ongoing power. And, of course, he also did it to piss Damon off. And Damon will be pissed. Now, my S5 memory is rusty (cause it was horrible), but would Elena alone have any power to tap into, or would he need Stefan too? And does their blood still offer anything power-wise (I can't recall how that ended!). Stupid Travelers made next to zero sense to me anyway, so I handwaved a lot, but Kai with that kind of power would be interesting. LOVING Kai. Best villain in forever. OH, totally forgot: brother scene? Awesome! Loved Stefan giving Damon the car back and I am loving where their relationship has gone. Its so amazing, especially when re-watching season 1, that they are at the place they are together.

Ok, the road so far: Within and Without, no problems with these on rewatch except Scully was kind of obnoxious trying to one-up Doggett the whole time. Skinner was cool and I always like seeing Gibson. I thought it was a good intro of Doggett. Patience: I didn't really remember this one and it was a good monster of the week on re-watch. Roadrunners: I like this one. Scully ditching Doggett and him coming after her. The MOW is icky, the townspeople are whacked. All good Invocation: always makes me sad. As a parent, these types of eps are rough. Good insight into what I know is coming with JD, and a pretty solid storyline, too. Little kids are always creepy, ;) Redrum: yawn Can't wait to get into more of the meat of the season and more of JDs backstory, when he finds out S is preggo, the Mulder stuff. Fun fun!

Its ok DD, I've got you. Here's a GOOD cry! edited to add: I did it! Yay!

Oh, I loved this episode back in the day. On re-watch it was way more cheesy than I remembered, but still good. HATE Phoebe Greene, but Scully was funny. Hate that they said Mulder was afraid of fire, then never used it again (kind of the like deus ex machina of him being red/green color blind from Wetwired) I have a picture with Mark Sheppard from an XF convention in 1994 and he signed my script for this episode. Of course I had no idea then that he'd end up in so many of my favorite shows and that I would end up *loving* Mark Sheppard SO MUCH (Firefly, Supernatural, XF, Leverage, Dollhouse, Battlestar Galactica, etc). So funny that I first saw him here on XF.

Ok, how do i post pics and stuff? lol

Ugh, you guys are feeding my obsession right now! I have become re-obsessed with the XF through my rewatch! I'm practically squeeing over here over M & S! It's one tiny step into searching for fanfic and I'll be a lost cause! Stop me! You know, GA is a wonderful crier. I know Scully gets a lot of flack for being overly emotional in Season 8... But GIRL had some stressful crap going on. And hormones! I'm about to start getting into S8 and I'm gonna give her some slack! DD... Rarely got the cry right. Redux was good. And was it Herrenvolk or talitha Cumi when his mom was in the hospital? His silent cry was good there too. BUT the man could do the gruff, cry/sob stuck in his throat like no one else (except maybe Jensen Ackles/Dean Winchester... Good lord don't get me started)

Ha ha, ha looking back now, he's kinda a creeper. But it was a good day

I'm late to post here, but I've been meaning to ever since I started my re-watch. I have the greatest story about Doug Hutchinson and this thread reminded me that he was awesome. My first real convention experience was 1996 in Burbank(ugh, might've been Pasadena con, I can't remember and I was too young to drive there) LOL Me and 3 friends were driven there for an overnight stay and 2 days convention. We were 14 or 15. However, 2 of my younger sisters snuck into the back of the van and it wasn't for many, many miles that they jumped out and surprised even my mom. So... they got to come with us, last minute. We had pre-bought tickets and I believe it was sold out. So they couldn't go into the convention. BUT, they were hanging out in the lobby of the hotel having lunch when Doug Hutchinson walked by and saw them. They had XF shirts on so that they would not be out of place. He asked them what they were doing away from the Convention and they told him they didn't have tickets. So, Doug H walked them up to the ticket office, bought them both *better seats than we even had* and got them in for the weekend (with my mom of course. ) And took photos with all of us. Later that day in the convention, my sister got called on stage with Nic Lea and was the beneficiary of a signature and a kiss on the cheek. I was *so jealous!* LOL Still makes me laugh. For the rest of the weekend, Doug H would chat with us and my mom and was super cool. Just wanted to share. :) To this day, my sisters remember Tooms and these episodes as super creepy! Doug H was great as this monster

Aww I love you guys! I am so in the zone with XF right now so its great to have people to talk and reminisce with! Yes! Old married couple, beyond physical. Intimate. Its awesome to see.

Ugh... If Liz dies I will not handle it well. We need her! Plus that'll make Caroline inconsolable and really upset Damon. And, c'mon, we need adults and humans on this show! :( BUT, it fits if the spoilers say we're getting a great brother moment and Steroline moments. :(

Ha ha, I did that the other day. I was watching some Vampire Diaries clip, then I went on to XF, then to Buffy, and then all of a sudden I was watching favorite shippy moments from all the greatest hits shows and I was so... blah! Emotionally drained, lol I have to believe that when S was abducted, M realized there was more there. Like the mess he became, how lost he was, he realized he couldn't do it all without her. Now, that's a big part of love to me, when you feel loss that heavily. Was it romantic, no, not that early on. But when she was returned I don't think he could ignore that he felt more. Now I might be reading into it (wouldn't be the first time) but I believe the threat of loss is a powerful motivator for him and brings things to the surface for M that he can't ignore (abduction, cancer arc, her leaving the FBI in the movie) and maybe it takes him awhile to put it together that he *loves* her in that way, but the pull and the need for her is there. I think a great way to juxtapose is to view how he was after the abduction arc and that possible loss vs the end of S1 when he was losing S and the Xfiles. It was devastating, but it wasn't like it was during the abduction arc and forward. Yes, she realizes it before S7, for sure. What I meant was she wasn't allowing herself to fully commit, jump in head first. Like you said, that comment from CSM in En Ami was about her keeping her distance, walls up. its a frustrating thing because its hard to balance what we're seeing onscreen vs what the episodes and writers are telling us. Its very different. To me, M & S were already romantically involved by S7 because of the actions of the characters. But the writers are showing and telling us that S, especially, isn't quite there yet until late S7, at least not 100%. I can't reconcile that very well, so its hard for me to say when exactly. I don't like to think that they're together, but S is still so ambivalent... it doesn't jive. And oh, I just remembered the end of En Ami, wow was M so pissed. LOL He couldn't even *look* at S. On All Things re-watch, I think I understood it more. She was seeing a glimpse of the person she was before, realizing that she wasn't living her life fully because of the guilt and shame she carried around with her from that relationship. And, seeing how easy it would be to fall back into that old rut, maybe, until she realized she wasn't that person anymore. That person never would have chosen the path she had chosen for herself, never would have brought in that faith-healer/psychic guy she brought in to help her old flame, and the entire episode she keeps getting these revelations, this clarity, when she chases after the 'woman' she keeps seeing. She faces up to her old flame (can't recall his name), tells him she's not that same person and that he needed to fix his family and move on, she gets peace from talking with the guys daughter and mending fences there, and I think, realizes that she's on the path she's supposed to be on, and can let go of that guilt and shame she was still carrying (subconsciously) as well as that feeling of 'did I choose the right path?/what if'. It took her seeing that man again to realize that she could let go of wondering and the feelings that held her back. At least, that's my take ;)

So, just started S8 in the epic re-watch. I was posting on the S7 thread, but thought I should move most of my S8 thoughts here now :) I started my re-watch less than 90 days ago, at the Pilot and determined to not skip any episodes (even the sucky ones, lol). I've found a new appreciation for the episodes that, in my head, 'weren't great' and have actually enjoyed 95% of the episodes during this re-watch. Its been fun! I'm 3 episodes in to S8 (and plan to finish it all by Xmas), and I have to say, that I kinda love Dogget. Poor RP got thrown into such a bad situation, what with rabid angry fans wanting Mulder to stay and not wanting to give any replacements a chance. I remember I felt that way and I hate-watched S8 and S9 for the most part, just biding my time waiting for a Mulder sighting. Now, though, I love the way RP and GA interact and I love his choices for Doggett's character. He's open to cases without being obnoxious, he looks for both sides, he just doesn't know what to do with it all yet. I also can see that he is just a good man. Honest and loyal and (if I remember correctly) he becomes even more so throughout the season and really cares for Scully. I'll comment more when I see it. I also like how he talks with her, as equals, but he has a softness to him (hmm, maybe not the right word. Again, its something that develops so I'll wait :) Anyway, I'm excited to watch this season because, save for a few eps, I haven't re-watched S8 or S9 since it first aired. Its refreshing to watch this, as an adult now (as I was 13 or so when the Pilot aired) and now my kiddos are watching it with me (sometimes ;)

Oh, ya have to comment on this, too. S has some jealousy wrt Mulder. Even early on (yuck, Phoebe Greene anyone? Bambi? Det. White? Fowley, double yuck) I just saw the scene where she first meets Dogget and he tells her that Mulder would confide in women around the FBI offices and she gets that same jealous/hurt look (before she realizes that he's a lying liar) So, even early on she gets all up in arms and defensive with other women and M. The Fowley thing was just bad/annoying writing. She was their to foil us fans and it was just dumb. Cause she was so obviously there to piss S off. But you're right, S was very hurt by Fowley and that scene you mention specifically especially because that was the time after the movie when (I imagine, in my head canon) that M and S would have been confused about where they stand with each other. I mean, you don't just try and kiss (and say M's hallway speech) to your closest 'friend', then almost die saving her (halfway across the world) and then go back to what you had going before. At least not without some serious issues beneath the surface. (edited because I'm so excited to be reminiscing over XF that I can't spell)

Ok, so I think for Mulder it was waaayyyy early on. Like Season 2 or 3, BUT he kept it to himself for the most part. Its weird, but while watching S7 it seemed to me like that was when the light was flicking on for Scully. Which is annoying, because the actions of the characters and the flirtiness of them makes it seem way too late. In En Ami, with the Cancer Man telling S that she doesn't allow herself to love... and then All Things seemed like the aha moment for her, that she was maybe already invested with Mulder, but wasn't allowing herself to fully commit, fully be honest with him (about herself, etc). I LOVED the New Years kiss (and I didn't remember it at all, cause I don't know if I ever re-watched Millennium after its first airing), but Mulder's (or perhaps, DDs) "See, the world didn't end" was so meta and a wink at us... See, we can be together and its not going to ruin the show (in my brain at least ;) Yes, that's a good way of putting it. They definitely were never the same after the Cancer arc and certainly after the movie. Watching S1-S7 over the last 90 days (so, relatively quickly and close together), it was so great to see this pair go from Pilot to Pregnant (lol), even with the back and forth and are they/aren't they because it is seriously one of the best couples I've ever seen on TV and it was so apparent on re-watch that, whether romantically together or not, from almost day one, they trusted and would put their life on the line for each other. It was really beautiful to watch . uh, /sappy ;) I'll move my S8 thoughts over to that thread, but I ... actually LOVE Doggett so far!

Ah yes, the real world. The single biggest mistake the writers and creator of this show made was to NOT know when enough was enough and to friggin put them together, in canon, once and for all. Its refreshing to see shows like Bones and Castle not try and pull that crap (for too long). It was cute and quirky and fun for awhile to wait and hope and wonder, but dear God did it get old. I know S7 gives us the 'canon' official first time we they might be sleeping together in "All Things" (another episode I hated less now, as an adult, but still found it a little too strange for me), and of course the reveal of S pregnant, so, duh, they were together. BUT, I cannot pinpoint, for me, where I think it began. Obviously, day one, it was there between them. And after episodes like Small Potatoes (S making out with Not!Mulder), getting cozier than usual in eps like Detour, M kissing Not!Scully in Triangle and telling her he loved her, and the near-kiss in the movie... conversations *should* have been had between them and paths chosen. If they were in the real world. But actually sleeping together/a couple... it still could have (maybe) been ambiguous. Maybe, with some fan-wank. But seeing them get closer and closer and more comfortable with each other, increasing frequency of kisses and touching etc etc... I mean c'mon. It was just *annoying* for there to be no payoff, no confirmation and for the writer's to think "ha ha, isn't this so funny, making the fans go crazy. Are they or aren't they? hee hee" Ugh. So S7, for me, was DD and GA having fun with their characters and a wink at the fans, many times. It doesn't all jive with the canon of what the writer's try to tell us (because they wanted the OOH! shock, Scully's pregnant story-line so we could all wonder if it was Mulder's), but I have to believe they were together by S7, even if it doesn't all fit. So, just finished S7, on to S8! (sorry if I got too All Seasons on here...) ;) I'm new

Just happened upon this thread, wanted to put my thoughts out. I am doing an X-files rewatch. I watched during when it was first on (I was 13 or 14 when it started) and watched it all the way through to the end. BUT, I hadn't watched more than the odd episode here or there in years now. So in September I started from the Pilot and was determined to not skip any episodes. Not even Space. or that crappy werewolf one. Or 3. LOL So, here I am in Season Seven, 2 1/2 months later and I have such a different view and appreciation for this show than I did during its first airing (or even subsequent watches over the years). I remember starting to really hate-watch XF around the start of S7 back then (for behind the scenes reasons, for being annoyed at the 'are they or aren't they' together stuff, for knowing that DD was leaving the show, etc). Now I have been loving 95% of the episodes from S1 - S7 (am about to watch Fight Club, which I'm sure I'll still hate, but we'll see). I see the episodes through such a different filter now that its been so enjoyable as a 30 something to watch (and with my kids, too!) :) A lot of it is because back then, I was SO INVESTED in looking for the moments... the M/S angst or shippiness, the PROOF that they were together-together (I feel like I'm in middle school right now, lol). Being that invested colored my enjoyment of the storyline. Now, I've been amazed that Season 7 has had so many light moments, and DD looks so happy a lot of the time. Its strange, but he and GA look to be enjoying their characters so much this season. DD as Mulder smiles a lot more, makes a lot of jokes this season, that I don't remember S7 being this way- probably because all I felt was doom and gloom thinking it was going to be canceled because DD was leaving... or he was going to be recast or etc etc. Its been really enjoyable. And, this is kind of All Seasons-ish, but even the episodes I thought sucked... I've been enjoying! OK, still hate Space and 3 with fiery passion, but I watched them. ;) But the mediocre episodes, the ones that didn't quite hit all the M/S relationship notes I was probably hoping to see and therefore ended up in the 'sucks' pile, but were perfectly good Monster of the Week or XF episodes... they were so enjoyable! Anyway, all that to say that I know I'm going to enjoy finishing this S7 and I'll probably love S8 and S9 too with this new perspective (since I won't be hating on JD or MR while hoping for DD cameos, lol) Happy viewing! :)

Oh, I hadn't read/heard that. :) Makes more sense now!

I don't see that at all...? He doesn't know, the collective group has decided not to tell him until (supposedly) Elena does in that moment in the clip. I don't know why, after all his miserable whining and teen angst this season he wouldn't care a lot about Bonnie maybe being alive.

Oh yes, I should have clarified. I loved Angel after he was on his own show (and away from Buffy, lol) and I loved Angel the show and the way his character and their group was explored. Makes me want to re-watch actually... As with Angel, I think that exploration should be a part of Stefan's journey as well. Its an important step for him to accept that part of himself. As much of a HUGE Damon fan as I am... I have to agree. Sometimes he does stuff just to be a dick, or because his temper/frustration/inability to deal gets the best of him. He often has a good reason (or so he thinks), or is doing the hard/difficult thing because no one else can or will, but he doesn't always have that excuse.

I can see both sides of this coin with the brothers to a point. Neither is "good" or completely "bad" (though depending on which brother you side with more, I can see how fandom feels the need to label) Stefan has always felt very "Angel-like" (from Buffy) to me, which I probably why I've always been biased toward liking Damon more. Stefan seemed like a vampire trying to be good, because the alternative was him having no control and him being very, very evil. It was a struggle for him, and always would be, and there was no middle ground for him. BUT, that made him too serious and (to me) his and Elena's relationship was rarely any fun. It was never more obvious than when Stefan was so much fun with Lexi (or later, with Caroline), but as soon as he and Elena were talking/in the same room together, everything about them was bogged down with a heaviness and angst. Their relationship always felt futile to me, headed nowhere. Futile because she never wanted to be a vampire, so where could their relationship really go (and for how long?) Futile because, even if she did want to be a vampire to be with him, he couldn't enjoy (for lack of a better term) being a vampire with her because of his limitations. And that was made evident when all he did was try and 'fix' her/make her like him when she did eventually turn. In fact, after I did a good re-watch, it felt like Elena was always headed to Damon, or at least from very early on. Inevitable because of their connection and the futility of the Stefan/Elena relationship. It seemed like the minute Stefan went ripper, there was never any chance of Stelena working again. And certainly, after his Wickery Bridge craziness, it was over over, regardless of how much they tried to say otherwise. Though I'm sure my opinions there aren't super popular ;) On Stefan's side, though, I have always loved him with Caroline, and I don't necessarily mean romantically (though I could be on board with that as this season progresses). They have the ability to have fun, be honest, without a huge messy backstory to always gingerly step around. His scene with Caroline right after she turned, and him helping her become a good vampire, has always stuck out to me. It was Stefan's relationships with others in the cast that made me like his character (especially caroline, lexi, Damon); his relationship with Elena just never worked for me. As for Damon, I spent a good amount of my re-watch trying to decipher when he had his humanity on (or off) in the first season or so, if it ever was off. He's hard to read because he does walk that line of good vs bad. But I think one of the most telling POVs was from Damon himself: "When people see good, they expect good. And I don't want to have to live up to anyone's expectations." I think that was pretty honest from him, and if I was going to hold a therapy session I'm sure it'd be very connected to his father (and of course Elena). I like that Damon has that unpredictable bad-boy side to him, because I like the potential for his story and character, and I always love a good redemption story. I like that he's pretty fiercely loyal once someone has made their way onto his short list of people he cares for, too. I feel like Damon can be who he is with Elena and vice versa. Its not the same people they've always been, because people change and evolve. I like the progression of Damon this season; I will withhold my thoughts about Elena until she has all her memories back because she's not really Elena right now, IMO. Now if the writer's would get onboard with not bogging down the Delena storyline, and let them be together and their relationship NOT the main angst of the day, I feel like this season could be great and the focus could go back to the big bad of the year.

Cute scene, nice to see the boys hanging out and being friendly. Damon carrying the bear around is awesome! I'm having a little trouble with this retcon of 'Stefan didn't notice Caroline's feelings', especially after how much chemistry the two characters have had and their chumminess last season. It seems a bit like the writer's trying to create more drama by making Stefan oblivious. But I'll wait and see how its played out. For anyone keeping score, I'm A-OK with Steroline :) And I'm sure the hatred and venom will come out of the woodwork for Damon. How dare he even mention Caroline's name after he the way he treated her! /sarcasm I see that little scene as Damon being supportive and telling Stefan "duh- how did you not see how awesome she is for you". Looking forward to it all!