lucy711

A few people have referenced the racist comments made about Ashley and Jay on her wedding website. I read something about that on another sites and am going to post it in their topic thread since this episode forum isn't the place for that. I went to bed early last night because I was sick and had no desire to see this show. It sounds like nothing much is new. Terrible behavior by most parties and a lack of common sense all around!

I'm not going to lie. I didn't ask everyone to wash their hands before touching my baby two years ago. If someone was not feeling well I didn't let them hold the baby, and I generally kept all children away from him (they always have germs)! But I honestly never thought about asking people to do it, and all of my relatives had enough common sense to do so if they had just been handling something gross or dirty. I trust my relatives to wash their hands after using the bathroom. I probably didn't think about it because I felt like crap for 6 weeks after my c section and was breastfeeding my 9 pound baby non stop. (Seeing Olga exhausted feeding the baby brings back memories)! Maybe I was too lax, but I had an incredibly healthy baby who never got sick until he was over 1 year.

Yes. Generally, in the USA, a wedding is the biggest party you will ever throw. I know that I will never have another party that comes close to the time and money spent on my wedding. So the idea is that you should pay for your guests to have a good time, including their alcohol. After all, the guests are taking time out of their schedule to come and are most likely bringing a gift. It's tradition that the meal expenses be covered by the couple getting married or their parents.

Ironically, the wedding ceremony is usually my least favorite part of the show because I think that the majority of them shouldn't be getting married!!

I agree with this 100%. Quite frankly, I'd be embarrassed to say that my parents spent $300,000.00 on a marriage that lasted for only 2 years. I wouldn't want to admit that. But obviously Leida thinks it is somehow impressive. So yes, Leida, continue to impress us with tales from your first wedding while you sleep on a twin bed with Mr. Eyebags. You are totally winning at life. Eric and Leida would be better served by taking their budget and doing a wedding at a something like a Bed and Breakfast with just the two of them and a witness. I doubt Eric's family would be too broken up about not being there.

This is a good point. I'm not ready to call Steven an abuser. I think the big problem here is that they didn't have a real, solid relationship before the baby was born. They were together for 2 months, so Steven is remembering how they used to be together all the time and Olga lavished all of her attention on him. That's suddenly different. Sure, it is obvious that the baby needs to come first, but he is 20 and an immature 20. When I was 20, I was dating my boyfriend who is now my husband. I would pick silly fights with him such as "why do you spend so much time playing basketball instead of being with me?" They were stupid fights, and as we matured, I no longer acted like it. As we both grew into our relationship and became secure with one another, I didn't feel like I needed his attention constantly. We would have been poorly equipped to deal with a baby at 20, and that is why we waited until 31 to become parents. The problem is that Steven and Olga went from casual summer fling to parents in the blink of an eye. They don't have a solid relationship to begin with, and boom! now there is a baby. Steven is acting terribly. But I'm going to be honest and say that I don't know how well I would have acted in a situation like his. I'm going to also say that I never knew how exhausting pregnancy and breastfeeding was until I went through it.

Larissa- Colt is not going to give you want you want. And you will always rate second after mother. That's why you need to leave. I'm sure Debbie will pay for your ticket back to Brazil. I think my blood pressure literally rises while I watch Steven and Leida on my tv set. Steven is not mature enough for a real relationship or a baby. How sad is it that orphan Olga would be better off alone in that sad looking Soviet-style apartment building than with Steven? Very few kids are better off having zero relationship with their fathers, but this might be a prime example. Theoretically, I should have some sympathy for Leida since Eric probably made her think he has more money than he does. But her attitude is so awful, that I can't muster any good will toward her. This spoiled princess who clearly relied on mommy and daddy for every cent has no right to complain or whine about Eric supporting his own children. Apparently Eric pay child support isn't cool, and Eric living with Tasha isn't cool, but it was totally fine for Leida to be supported by her family and to have her parents raise Alless. She's trash.

You are going to have to accept child support, Leida. It's the LAW. If Eric was living in Indonesia, he'd have to accept Indonesian laws.

You are right about Leida. Somehow it is up to everyone to support her, but she thinks nothing of putting out Eric's daughter. She's awful.

I don't know why she would assume those comments are from Mechanicsburg. If it's on the Internet, they could be coming from anywhere in the USA, or heck, outside the USA, too. I've come across plenty of racism in other countries too.

Maybe. You are right that we haven't seen that before. Did their wedding website get accidentally posted to some Neo-Nazi group?

What random people comment on a wedding website?

I have to hand it to Leida and Steven. They may be the worst people ever to be featured on this show. That says a lot. I might add Eric to that list, too.

This is why you need a stable relationship before a baby comes along...but then again, I think Steven would be a jerk regardless.

If Eric does have an alcohol problem, as some has speculated, it would explain why he can stand being around Leida for more than five minutes. And Leida must HAVE to leave Indonesia to marry Eric.

Leida. Go f--- yourself. I rarely say that, but how dare you suggest that he put your wedding flowers ahead of his kids.

Leida does not have class.

Agreed. If Eric can't afford this, they should just do a courthouse wedding. I mean, no one is really excited about their marriage anyway!

Leida, no one cares about your first wedding. Eric needs a cash bar for a wedding for 25 guests? Oh boy.

I agree. While it is the job of both parties to use protection, the girl has a lot more to lose. I mean at the very least, she is either going to be pregnant for 9 months or decide to get an abortion. Those are both pretty big deals. In the case of Olga and Steven, I mostly blame him. Olga might not have insurance or access to the pill, and as a foreigner in America, she might not know where to get condoms. Steven could have gotten condoms pretty easily. They aren't foolproof, but DH and I used them for a long time without issue.

Oh I doubt instagram wiener controversy is going to help Jonathan's career. I mean, I don't need to see my realator's penis!

I really don't understand what the point of Leida's parents coming to visit. I understand that they wanted to "vet" the place for her and probably mostly for Allessandro, but she ended up staying there anyway despite how terrible it was. I would suggest that they did it just to be on tv, but they didn't seem like attention seeking people at all.

Someone upthread said that Colt should be with the worker from the potential wedding venue, but I disagree. She was too cute for him. Jon and his mother should have had that conversation without Fernanda present. Fernanda's family might have welcomed him, but we don't know what her situation was in Mexico. If she was quite poor, they may have been happy to see her with a guy with a full-time job who is financially stable. (I actually hope they had some reservations about her marrying a guy so much older than her). Maybe they hope she can go to school in the USA. I have a 19 year old stepsister, and the idea of her getting married is laughable. She can barely wake up on time for her classes. She isn't the most mature young lady, but neither is Fernanda!

I agree with you about Jay. If my husband left without telling me, I'd be upset. It's just common courtesy so I don't go looking for him and realize he's not there! I think maybe Jay wouldn't be as defensive if she wasn't going through her phone as if she was his mother and he was a teenager! Olga/Steven and Kalani/Asuelu are poster children for using protection when having sex with someone you just met on vacation!

I think we know that Leida didn't win Miss Congeniality in her beauty pageant! I mean, what an awful, awful person she is! Even if Tasha is a dirty person and left the apartment that way on purpose, she should have been the bigger person as the older, future stepmother. That is no way to talk to your fiance's child five minutes after you meet them. I'm actually surprised Allessandro is there. I would have thought that her parents would have offered to keep him in Indonesia, and that Leida would have agreed. I mean, does Ledia even interact with her kid? I'm wondering why she wants him with her when his life would be seemingly better at home. The woman who, at almost 30, lives with her parents can go take a hike when she's whining about Tasha living there (who pays half of the freaking rent)! I also don't understand what the point of her parent's trip was if she stayed even with their negative reaction. If it weren't for Allessandro, I think they'd be high-fiving each other the minute she left the house. I'm not going to touch on Eric because at this point it is a given that he is gross and terrible. Colt should never wear shorts. I'm also pretty sure he can cough up $500 for a wedding. That being said, Larissa is still annoying. When my husband says something nice about lady, I don't assume he wants to be in bed with her. Ditto for him when I say something nice about a man.