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Visual media is so very different than what can be done in a book so I think it takes that showrunner/producer/screenwriter being the fan for it to have a shot even more so than if the author is there since it's a learned skill to translate books to screenplays. I love Nora but I don't have evidence she'd be an expert at how to make it work. That's sometimes the most glaring "wrong" thing in a book to movie situation, putting in something that visually doesn't work without all the set done with inner monologues. When I was younger I held book to movies to a higher standard. I wanted the book to come alive scene for scene and word for word. I still want a lot of that lol but I've accepted that no book can be fully realized in a movie without a lot of cuts. Give me a mini series and it's a lot more doable as BBC's Pride and Prejudice proved. But that's not normally well, the norm, lol. I've learned to accept a lot of cuts as long as the feel and intent of the book is still there. And frankly, I'll even take something that doesn't entirely fit the feel and intent as long as the end product ends up good in it's own right. Though that is a VERY rare thing.

Nora Roberts writes reliably solid characters and stories. My complaint is too often when they have been made into movies they get the ten dollar treatment and that's reflected in imperfectly cast actresses that are there because their name is known not because they are the right ones for the part but even more than that, the shoestring budgets and rushed production values seen and felt in bumpy screen plays and weird directorial choices and scenes that are rushed to get done, not done correctly. I want a Nora Roberts book or series to get the love and INVESTMENT that Bridgerton received. And I'm hopeful that it's success will spill over. And that the Netflix produced movie will be good but without Shonda's name behind it, will it? Romances (of ALL plotlines and varieties) rarely get taken seriously. They, with rare exceptions, have been deemed only deserving of the Hallmark or Lifetime Channel treatment, spit out at a rapid pace knowing the audience just doesn't have much choice when it comes to quality. Netflix has now been doing it's own line of just slightly better quality movies. Do they see Brazen Virtue as important enough to get right? The Romance label really only means we are getting a happy ending for the couple (or happy enough, lol). That's the promise made before I open the book. It should not mean people get to write off the quality of the story told before that end point. People are there for the journey and Nora Roberts uses love and romance as a way to further deepen the connection of her characters to each other and to the reader but it's only an aspect of the tale. She writes everything from action, sci fi and fantasy, sweeping family sagas, who-dunnits, suspense, odes to search and rescue dogs, police procedurals, cozy small town tales, ghosts of the past, even what I'd call horror. Her prolific body of work is brimming with possibilities for movies and multiple tv season series. But so far I don't think anything that has been optioned and taken from the written medium to the visual, put the right amount of work in before the end product was finished. But I'm dying to see it done. WIll it be done this time? Yeah, I want to believe but do I?

I popped in to support GHSCORPIOSRULE but this caught my eye as well and YES!!!! This book reads almost as if it was written in the modern era. Also, it's entertaining as hell. And who doesn't love a good underdog story?

Talk about being "prepared" has now made it to the local nightly news. I'm already in the boondocks and tend to shop in bulk so I'm as prepared as I'd want to be but I've talked to a few people that are looking to buy masks and such. One friend in Philadelphia tried to buy them at a local pharmacy but they were long sold out. I think it's never a bad idea to have some supplies on hand but giving into paranoia to any excessive degree is not where I want to go.

Moving is hard and the longer you have lived there means that much more stuff to move (this is a good time to decide what NOT to move as well -- the throw away pile and the give away pile). You have great organizational skills so you will shine here I'm sure! And lol, renovations is just as stressful. But I think you will find not living there will make it SOOOO much easier. Both because you won't have the stress with having to live through the mess of renovations and because you won't have the same emotional attachments so you can be more practical about it. You might find it a lot easier to find time to read smoochy fanfic than write it in the next few weeks. Good thing there is lots to choose from. 😄

I swear the ads I saw prior to the movie coming out this last Friday were already referring to it as Harley Quinn and the Birds of Prey. Not that the printed title in the trailer had changed Either way, for certain the trailers left no doubt this was Harley's movie

I got this too.

Except we know that characters from other earths until they had their memories restored had no memory of not being on the same earth with the rest of the Arrowverse, so we know that for most people on the planet, this is the way it's always been so they would have no memory of what was lost. Honestly, I'm pretty sure every show is going to come up with it's own rules and we the ones watching more than one show are the only ones trying to make it all make sense. Again show writers, do better!

See I'd hope facts would be higher on Iris's list of priorities than fluffing up the City's favorite hero. By Iris giving the Flash the sole credit in stopping Crisis, it's misleading at best and just wrong at worst. I get why it happened, to mirror the original headline but it didn't work. Didn't make sense from the people's pov and wasn't right from the standpoint of the facts. And from what I could read in the article, she only mentioned sightings of the other heroes in the opening paragraphs, not co credit. It's just such freaking lazy writing. We are not idiots. Do better by us Flash writers. For me they wrote him as if he didn't really know Oliver by claiming he wasn't the sentimental type so that was very disappointing coming from a brother and then to make it worse, we know from the Arrow finale according to Diggle Felicity barely had gotten out of bed since Oliver died. They weren't sure she'd even make it to his funeral, so Dig making a joke about her cheaping out on care and cleaning of Oliver's mask, something that had a lot of meaning to them both, came off as a distasteful and really out of character for Diggle. It was poor timing. The Flash episode took place a week before the Arrow finale. Maybe if they had Dig pop in later after there was more time and distance from Oliver's death and funeral it wouldn't have been so jolting.

Apart from a rather biased and misleading headline (Who exactly stopped the crisis? Sure wasn't just the Flash, or even mostly the Flash) Iris had a good episode. See show, it isn't that hard to let her have her own plot lines that will tie into the rest of the show eventually. Not sure why Cisco apologized to the guy that let the anti-monitor out. Nothing Cisco said changed just because Cisco also was feeling guilty over chucking his powers (as he probably should, way to drop the ball for the team and the world, lol) I really wish the show runners had gotten together and agreed on the rules of how this stuff works after crisis. No, Cisco should not have forgotten he owned a Superman shirt and if E2 is gone, then the Harry holo should have vanished. If we are lucky then the Harry holo is a clue to the fact that despite what Cisco believes, there are still multi verses. I mean we know there are per Crisis so maybe it's just taking time for people to figure it out. The Flash writers just plain don't know Oliver's character. Oliver was more sentimental and sappy than any of the characters IMO. And Diggle would have known that even if just from toasting him a final time with the vodka that Oliver sentimentally saved for such occasions down in the Arrow bunker. Then there's the hood his first mentor wore that he incorporated it into his first costume which Felicity knew to save it and reuse when Cisco reworked his costume since it had special meaning to him (Cisco had that line) He saved a hoizen (arrowhead like thing) that he found on the island that had a lot of connections to people he lost on the island to his sister as a symbol of reconnection in like the first or second episode of the episode and it came up even in the backdoor pilot for his daughter years later. He has obsessed over the color of the pen Felicity was chewing on when they first met. In the end, he waited for 20 fricken years for Felicity in a room that looked like his mom's old office complete with all the family pictures because just because it was where he'd first even seen a GLIMPSE of his future wife. This guy brought a hold trunk back full of souvenirs from his time on the island but he's not sentimental? Giving Barry the mask was very in keeping with his personality. Oliver has been about tokens that have special meaning to him throughout the show. I have to pretend that Diggle was being sarcastic when he said Oliver wasn't sentimental but he said it in such a dry manner that it went over Barry's head. Lol. I feel like out just about all of the other earths, E2 is one Oliver would have brought back since he spent time connecting with people on that earth before it vanished before his eyes. So I'm not convinced the Star Girl E2 doesn't also have some version of all the E2 people we'd met before. Its just Earth Prime people haven't figured it out. Wouldn't it be handy if Cisco hadn't gotten rid of his powers? He'd already know this.

Didn't Laurel then yell at everybody to get back to work? Or am I misremembering?

Something I never got around to mentioning, during Oliver and Diggle's flashback, while it was mostly pointless, it did remind me how much more enjoyable i found watching just Oliver do his thing in the field rather than a ton of cuts and camera swings to the bevy of other fighters. It was such a mistake when they overloaded the team with muscle for the sake of having more masks. It was too hard to feel the tension of a fight scene when everybody had to get their time in the spotlight. it felt very paint by numbers at that point.

Arrow came on the air a year after Smallville went off of it and SV, as I have bemoaned many a time in my posts, was for me a very traumatic ten years of viewing. For the first seven, even eight years, it played up so many troupes and moments that on any other show foreshadowed a heck of a lot of stuff that was totally dropped for comic canon when new show runners took over which basically messed with my head and translated to me not trusting my tv watching skills to know what was supposed to be happening specifically when it came to shipping. So the LAST thing I was ready to do was watch ANOTHER superhero show on the CW. But I had a friend that had cut the tv cord and, assuming I'd watch, asked me to tell him if it was worth him catching up once it was on Netflix. (Or wherever it was the first year). He'd put up with my Smallville rants so I figured I owed him, lol. So I set my DVR and even watched the Pilot live. I knew going in that the show had a comic canon love interest so I told myself it would be safe to watch and I tried to be positive about her but her first scene grated and it only got worse between her and Oliver in the first episode. The only moment I actually liked the character was when the actress had a flirty moment with Tommy. I felt the pilot was well shot but not sure the brutal downer feel was for me even if I did love the actress that played Thea and also Paul Blackthorne from other stuff they'd done, I did not watch live the next week. I liked Diggle but all the problems of the pilot were amplified in the second episode. I might have quit if not for that promise to the friend to give it a fair review. Still, I let the shows backlog on my DVR for months. Finally many weeks later, I forced myself to watch that third episode and the very first Olicity scene hadn't ended before I paused the DVR and looked up who that IT girl was, crossing my fingers that she would be back and by then they'd already made her a REGULAR for the next season! Suddenly, I was eagerly watching, binging what i had recorded and the show just kept getting better. Diggle was joined Oliver, Felicity was brought deeper into the mystery and soon joined the team. And that spark that I saw between Oliver and Felicity in their very first scene only grew. I hated myself for doing again. Falling for the impossible ship on a comic based show. I knew what what I was seeing would mean on any other show but I was sure I was setting myself up for heartbreak again but I couldn't stay away. By the time the first couple episodes of season two aired, I started to hope that maybe this time they would do right by what I was seeing on the screen. I mean first Oliver (shirtless) swinging on vine to save Felicity from a landmine! And then in the next episode that stunt out the window? OMG! It was impossible to not have hope my ship actually would sail! It was a massive roller coaster ride after that and I would not have remained sane without the forums and the posters to help us all through it. Arrow feels like my do over superhero show, one that honored the chemistry and potential beyond comic canon to create something unexpected and incredibly special. It restored my TV viewing sanity and restored my faith in shipping. Oh boy did it restore my faith in shipping, lol. Arrow is an imperfect show that still managed to somehow do better by their love story than perhaps any other show I've ever seen. It is still mind blowing to look back from where we started and how far we came. Amazing.

Good question. Maybe that future never happened at all and all of the previous flash forwards were ONLY part of the Monitors vision of the future based on what he thought Oliver did vs what Oliver really did.

We haven't seen anything on Arrow like the dopplegangers on Supergirl or Batwoman. All we have had is Laurel confused why she was there and not original Laurel while Quinten knew all about them both and was ok with Original Recipe being still in the grave. And then we had Tommy having zero previous knowledge of BS. If a spin off happens, it will get to set its own rules like Supergirl and Batwoman, but based just on what we saw on Arrow and the end of Crisis, it feels like Star City didn't do dopplegangers so Laurel would never be confused about who she was in the world even pre memories returned. In the backdoor pilot she was pretty clear on her history with her Oliver. In the context she brought it up, she was saying people don't change. You'd think if she had two versions of her past, (BS's Oliver and our Oliver on Earth Prime) she'd have brought up both.

It's in the news all the time but there are no cases in my state. Just a few on the coasts. I will say that when I went into the doctor's office a week back for a routine appointment they now ask if I've recently come from China. Before is was just out of the country.

I was watching the new episodes with friends that I don't see often enough so by the time we finished, I'd been spoiled on the ending and basically I have rejected the very ending as never having happened. It's fiction. I'm choosing my own happy ending. Where I ended it was lovely, lol. (I watched it all, just reject it) I kind of feel HIMYM was worse because it sort of retroactively screwed the characters and relationships making ever watching it again a mess. VM made a really dumb choice because the creator had weird ideas about re-upping her dedication through fresh pain. I felt she already had plenty to drive her (and neither of them would just left the backpack sit unopened in her car at that point- totally out of character for all involved so it shouldn't have happened anyway.) She didn't need a cheap move like what they did at the end. BUT as bad a "twist" as it was, it does nothing to hurt my love for all that came before. I really have to than the comic universe for setting the idea of a multiverse in my head. I'm at the place where anytime i don't like how a show ends i just assume it ended only on that earth and my version happened everywhere else, lol

I had kind of mixed feelings about the ending to Good Place. So I wanted to offer this as a spark to cling to. It was after Eleanor went through the door that she was able to send Michael mail. So it kind of said to me that their journey had not ended after all. (Oops, got mixed up on which thread I was in. Sorry)

I'm not sure that one set of rules will apply to all the shows, lol. I suspect Flash will have a way around it so Zoom was still from E2

I think everyone on EPrime once Oliver rebooted it would have memories of the new timeline with the exception of the "paragons" who were shown only to remember the original timeline which makes sense since they were outside of the universes that had to be resparked. The universe reboot included every version of the multiverse so just because BS was from a parallel universe wouldn't change the need for her to get her old memories restored. Once the universe was rebooted per Crisis J'onn went around and restored the memories of the original timeline to all the "heroes". And E2 Laurel (for better or worse, lol) seems to be included even before Crisis as one of the heroes so it seems likely IMO she wouldn't have needed to wait around for the Cisco device. I suppose we'll know more after the first Flash episode what kind of changes the new timeline made to their show and thus to Zoom and BS's arrival but I don't think it actually will have changed. Because Oliver was there on E2 and made connections to those people too. So given the chance to save all of them, why wouldn't he? And bringing JUST BS back from that world where she lost people she loved seems kind of cruel. And Oliver isn't that.

I have to think that the William secret would have come out when Moira was running Mayor as a part of opposition research like it was found by Thea when she was doing that on Oliver. The opposition hadn't found it in season two when we were watching but that's not to say they wouldn't have eventually. So I'm not convinced the timeline with William would remain the same. But pulling those threads get really messy, really quickly so then I wonder if during Oliver's reboot of the universe he would have tried to keep that the same as before even if logically it would have happened differently, like he scripted somethings to happen as before because the ripple effects of the changes would be too big. But I don't see how relationships couldn't have vastly changed when it comes to Moira NOT dying. Thea would probably not spiraled like she did but I wouldn't have put it past Malcolm to still either lure her away for other reasons or just flat out kidnap her so he could get to know her. Or extort a relationship of some kind with her. With Moira and Oliver, the big change would be I think Moira's reaction when she found out about his serious relationship with Felicity. She might not have found out until they left the city at the end of season 3 but on their return in season 4, Moira and Felicity would have had to have had SOME kind of deeper interaction unless Oliver had cut off all contact with his mother, but at that point, would he? Still, I can't imagine Moira not having had Oliver and Felicity over for at least ONE family dinner. Plus, chances are Moira would be Team Arrow's main source of funding. Though it is possible that Ray chased Felicity with a job no matter where she worked to help him access the info he needed for his suit and still gave her his company afterwards just minus Queen Consolidated. (Cause I really can't see Moira letting that be taken over. She'd resign as Mayor before she'd let that happen. And not being Mayor would make it easier to stay alive, lol.) So would Moira embrace Felicity in her son's life or try to break them up for reasons? She claimed all she wanted was for her children to be happy, I don't know how she wouldn't see how happy Oliver was with Felicity. So if Moira suddenly put on the charm offensive and tried to make nice, would Felicity let her? Would that mean they'd bond? Would Moira have helped run Palmer Tech? Or offer advice? Would they clash? Team up? It's their relationship that feels kind of inevitable to me if Moira was alive. But it would be so complex! In the spin off Mia is living at the Manor which to me says she and her mom weren't estranged from Moira. Did Felicity and Moira overcome hostility between them or were they already allies? Except that would be only half of Felicity's current memories. She'd remember it both ways. They really could have easily spent another 12 episodes dealing with the new normal.

So many questions yes, but there wouldn't be culture shock since everyone on Earth Prime except the paragons only had memories of how the new timeline went. Only the heroes that got the tap from J'onn or the Cisco device have dual memories. So if a whole culture was absorbed onto the new earth Oliver made, they wouldn't remember it any other way. When it comes to how Felicity got to Oliver, in the canon comic companion to CrisisonInfinateEarth Felicity had her own relationship to the Monitor and also to the magic books he had access to so I'm good believing she set up the ride to Oliver there and whether it was the real monitor or not, it doesn't matter. He's just the driver. Or the form the driver took. But yeah, only one Felicity. We saw Felicity seemingly leave from the horrible 2040 timeline. But really we only saw for sure that she said goodbye to her kids in that timeline. The next scene with the "Monitor" could have always been from our new timeline and we just assumed it was in the old one. She told her kids she was going to go looking for something if I recall. Maybe that version was still looking for a way to keep her promise and we just never knew that before.

He's probably set up a bed near all their special spots. Once they are done reliving and chrisenting all the greatest hits in Star City (Starling? Would Ray have rebranded it still?) then they can move on to all the places they never got around to. It's like an eternal honeymoon.

I think we can now say that Felicity being the first person he recognized as a real person rather than a threat or target started with the first time he saw her. Unconsciously or consciously, I think he was looking for her when he got back. The show even accidentally had him running into a blond with a ponytail at QC before EBR ever showed up. In many ways from the outside looking in, you'd never know they hadn't always planned Olicity from the start. But that's part of what always made Olicity so special. It worked. They worked. They made sense with who Oliver and Felicity were and who they would become. It's that magical cocktail where the characters almost write the story themselves.

I wonder how many people thought the show was already over. I had to explain to some friends that no, the backdoor pilot was not the last episode.