ridethemaverick

I was in a bad mood when I went to see it by myself and was thinking I probably wouldn't find it as hilarious as everybody said it would be. I did, and I laughed out loud several times. I also loved the absurdity of some of it, like the absinthe and the dance off. So often in our movies the directors can't tell the difference between hilarious absurdity and buffoonery but they nailed it. I'm going again this weekend.

The Brachel stuff is extremely cheesy but I'm a fan of multiple income streams. If the real housewives can do wines, clothing lines, hair care lines, cookbooks, and such, I won't knock other cheesy reality show stars for monetizing. I doubt they'll make much though since the market for that stuff is small.

Thank.you. I said earlier that it's actually Peter who is mediocre, particularly when compared to the rest of her final four. Eric was fun and affectionate, Dean was affectionate and easy going, and Bryan had the chemistry with her and was clear about being in love with her. Peter? Dour, wooden, boring, noncommittal. They all had flaws but Peter didn't even have a fun or affectionate side to make up for his. Let a guy like that say I would have a mediocre life without him. My reaction would have hurt his feelings because there is nothing special or extraordinary about him at all.

Looking at their sm, it looks like they have great turnouts at their appearances and they seem very happy together. Thinking about it logically, I think the only thing Peter had over Bryan was his looks. Everything else about Peter, especially his personality, is meh. That's what makes his mediocre comment so ironic for me. Peter IS mediocre. Bryan seems to be a much better catch.

Thanks, and reading your eta, are you thinking it has to do with women having the power?

Well...yeah. She was the bachelorette. The guys are supposed to be vying for HER attention, not the other way around. Do all bachelorettes get accused of being entitled, wanting to be worshipped, and having their expectations set too high, or is it just Rachel? Sincere question since this is my first time watching since season 1.

I think a previous poster nailed it when they said Rachel probably saw all of this when she watched it and that lightbulb moment filled her with frustration. All along we thought Bryan was a player but after last night, I think the real player is Peter. He is the type to string you along with empty half promises (I really want to see the conversations that got left on the cutting room floor). He's the type who knows you aren't the one but is willing to stay in a relationship (timesuck!) until someone better comes along. You're thinking he just needs more time while he knows he's never planning to go any further. When you ask where it's going, he gets agitated and says you're pressuring him and should be happy to live in the moment. When you try to move on, he still wants to be around you because he's used to you, not because he actually loves you. Eta: @dirtypop90 Great minds!

In real life, ita. But if I'm going on a show looking for a husband and 25 guys sign up to audition to be my husband, I'm gonna expect that those who are serious and who stay on the show and take me to meet their families will propose. Where I fault Rachel is keeping Peter on the show. He wasn't honest enough to take himself out of the running (apparently that has happened before) and he wanted Rachel, who was always clear about her expectations, to be willing to settle for less than what she came for. I think she should have tossed Peter weeks ago, and I do think she pressured him, but I also don't get the entitlement talk. If only more women were strong enough to decide what they want and not settle. But as they say, everybody ain't able.

I think her engagement with Bryan is unequivocally heading toward marriage and the getting to know each other is more so a function of the weird context they were in on the show. With Peter, it would have been ambiguous and she would have been beholden to HIS timeline with no assurance that it would ever go anywhere.

I get what you're saying. I was more so referring to the general idea here and on sm that she was mean and that she attacked poor Peter. I do think she was agitated, for sure.

It's interesting that some believe Rachel was begging for a proposal. I didn't see it that way at all. I saw a woman who wanted to get married and needed to make that clear. She's done the long-term relationship thing (I love the sex and the city term "expiration dating") and she came on the show to find a husband, not a boyfriend. I guess I relate because I've never been into pointless relationships as an adult who was ready for marriage. I didn't date anyone who wasn't clear about why they were pursuing me. I wasn't conceited or entitled, I just valued my time. I didn't agree to date my husband until he made his intentions clear. I think more women (those who want to get married) should date like Rachel and refuse to settle for "maybe, someday, possibly, let's see where this goes." The Peters of the world are complete timesucks.

She didn't seem angry or mean to me either but I'm not at all surprised that people are calling her that. A boring life, that's for sure. Peter has the personality of a doorknob. Also, she would be constantly chasing him and begging him for affection. She dodged a huge bullet.

My thoughts exactly. I didn't buy Peter's tears and I felt like the long tortured good bye was all on her end. I think he couldn't wait to get rid of her, which is fine. He doesn't have to love her but he also didn't have to be so bitchy about it with that mediocre comment. And then that whiny ass "I feel attacked" onstage. Ugh, shut up. She made the right decision imo.

I cant tell you how much I enjoyed this. Rachel is petty af, just like me. Anyway, I'm happy for her. She's with a man who has more than esoteric, lukewarm plans for some far off future that may or may not happen.

Lmao.

Fuck Lee. He ain't shit. Fuck Demario too. He ain't shit either. Anyway, I thought Rachel look gorgeous. As did Mackenzie. But I agree that I hope Kenny isn't the next bachelor because I'm not interested in the single dad looks for love angle.

Yes this is it. He apologized earlier today but the damage is done for me.

After Dean's social media shenanigans, I have no desire to see him as the next bachelor. I hate that this turned into the Lee show. Zzzzzzzz

I'm generalizing but In my experience, that's the downside to traditional southern black men, particularly the older ones. They're chivalrous and romantic and they live to protect and provide for their families...but they also expect deference and they're annoyingly paternal. The show nailed that dynamic.

This. I was confused by that comment as well because the upper class black families I know have no desire to be part of white society. I actually found it surprising that the uncle and sister were married to white people because that's still somewhat frowned upon in those circles. I think the Lindsays are a lovely family and based on my lived experiences, I have no doubts about their ability to cut loose. I'm sure they play Frankie Beverly and Maze at the cookout just like the rest of us. They just don't do it on tv.

I love how involved black Twitter gets. Last night had #Lawrencehive vs all the women saying Lawrence and his hive are trash. It was bedlam LOL.

I just googled her and...meh. But yeah, the blonde thing seems to make average women ten times hotter to a certain demographic. I don't understand it.

Amen. Peter has the personality of a wet noodle. He has the same facial expression whether he's talking about hating Bryan or telling Rachel he's falling in love with her. At this point I'm not convinced he likes women. Or men. Or relationships. Or dates. Looks like it will be Bryan. Eric is sweet and he gives me the vibe that he would be a passionate lover. However, she just isn't into him. But if she sampled that, good for her! So do we not see anymore fantasy suites? I'm confused.

For the first time all season, I thought that Rachel just isn't all that into Peter anymore. I agree that she's a pretty perceptive woman. She felt Peter being reserved but kept him around to see why/give him a chance to open up. I think she finally saw the light during HT and is over the idea of him.

I think Peter should have gone this week.