DoubleUTeeEff

Yeah, the show is named Grace and Frankie after all. I'm enjoying this season more than the first because Grace and Frankie's friendship has been established and they are very supportive of each other now. I like watching that. Of course, they can still drive each other nuts but they are constantly asking each other if they are OK. I feel more empathy with Grace on the being driven nuts part, though. Frankie is really something else. She's fun to watch but would be horrible to live with IMO.

Frankie: "Robert and Sol told us they were lovers so I moved in here with Grace, Sol and Robert got married; now they are getting divorced because Sol was unfaithful with a woman who turned out to be me and I almost made nine. million. dollars." Babe: "You and Grace are living together?"

Whoa, one of these things is not the like the others! But I get it. Claire is running as a Republican. I liked that. She had to swallow her pride and it took all her gumption to go over there and tell the man she thought responsible for her son's death all those years Thank You for helping her with her "son" now. My guess is the point is it paves the way for them to work together to get Pockmark.

It's not that I'd assign a higher virtue, it's more that I wouldn't judge him as harshly on a moral level. After all, can a sociopath help being a sociopath? It's not like people choose to have mental disorders that leave them less able to function than "normal" people. No one ever says "Whee, I'm a schizophrenic or I'm glad I'm a narcissist." Actually, a narcissist might say that but I'd argue he was deluded. So if a sociopath lacks the empathy to see how wrong what he is doing is, it seems less horrible to me on a moral level than someone like Axe who understands what it is to miss being with his family. However, I would punish both a sociopath and a non-sociopath the same. I mean if you commit murder, I'm going to need you to go to prison regardless. But, I would look down more on the person who had the capability to see the hurt he caused. He made a choice to shit all over someone's life in a way that a sociopath just doesn't get. The thing with Wendy is that she didn't know about all this until after Donny died. The doctor who was treating him did, though. I definitely think it was completely unethical of him to discuss his treatment with someone else and make a decision without consulting him.

Because she found out first about the DNA and then changed it. It's already been revealed that the Family has ties to the same company that did the DNA testing. I'm saying he never had to find Willa for Willa to do her thing. He just went to the Police and claimed to be Adam, it turned out he wasn't, Willa decided it would be awesome if Adam did come back and messed with the results. Of course, I don't really know how much Willa did, it's just that she didn't HAVE to know Ben before her whole subterfuge began.

It would be better if he actually WAS a sociopath. If he just straight up didn't care about Donny, that would be one thing. But he DID care about Donny and felt bad about not letting him have more time to live AND DID IT ANYWAY. Isn't it worse to break your morals for selfish reasons than to have no morals to break in the first place? Me either. I love Maggie Siff so much that I like Wendy but damn. I don't really buy that she can help people so much. Is it just that the people she helps are so lacking in self-awareness that what she offers seems like so much to them?

She didn't have to know anything or choose anyone. There was a boy who escaped from Pockmarked Man and claimed to be Adam (probably because he learned about Adam while they were in captivity together.) Willa used that opportunity to fake his DNA records so it would look like it really was Adam. Which, yes was really stupid because of things like appendixes and bloggers who steal q-tips. Not to mention wrong, since that is NOT their son and brother. My hatred of Nina continues in this episode. Her dumbstruck look whenever Claire and her husband were affectionate with each other really peeved me. And then she told him to go be with Claire like the decision is up to her. Shut up, Nina. I am curious about Pockmarked Man and Pregnant Wife. In one of the 10 years ago flashbacks, did they mention something about a child? Is Ben really their son? It is odd that they'd been together for 10 yrs and this might be their first kid. But why lock their own kids up and kidnap other kids, too? So Ben could have company?

I want to know that too. At first I thought Willa turned to religion because she felt guilty about her part in setting up Hank and possibly she had something to do with Adam's disappearance. Now, are we supposed to believe that she is using it to try and suppress her sexuality? I mean, she was kneeling down to pray when she was having the fantasy or remembering that experience. Maybe she was afraid of temptation? Especially if they did actually sleep together before. Naw, it was just so Bridey could get the q-tip. I assumed that was because she is running for governor now. As in, she doesn't really care what her husband does as long as it doesn't stand in the way of her political ambitions. Although you are right, it seemed she did care about him in the past as evidenced with the whole necklace debacle. So why not speak up then? A couple of the questions from last episode's thread were mentioned in this episode. Specifically, asking Hank where Adam's body was and why not just do your own DNA test. So that tells me that things are moving along but at a slower pace than people want. I will say that this episode has made me hate Detective Nina Meyer. How in the eff do you just shoot someone like that, unarmed yes, but also with no type of identification of who he is? He wasn't the pockmarked dude they were suspecting did it. He did walk into the motel room but how did she know it was the kidnapper? Couldn't it have been motel staff? Maybe it was the kidnapper's brother or friend who the kidnapper confessed to and he came to rescue the boy? Maybe it was a PI that the mother hired to find her kid. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK? You did not know who that was with any certainty! How can you shoot him like that? And she didn't seem to give two shits about it later, either. Even if it turned out to be the kidnapper and you believe he deserved the death sentence, can't you at least care one tiny bit about ending someone's life? God, I hate her. Also, earlier in the episode she was asking Adam, "that's him, isn't it? isn't it?" so annoying. Give him a second and let him answer for himself. Don't put words in his mouth.

I heard that the jurors didn't even mention the DNA evidence during deliberations.

Looks like it's running off a duracell battery. I know, right? Gee, a woman and two of her three kids escaping from their Alien Overlord's rule under the protection of Beau doesn't sound so bad under the circumstances. I don't mind that she wants to be part of the Resistance but at least think it over for your kid's sake maybe? Even if you have to send the kids on their own.

To be fair to Cathy, I'm not sure anyone could predict a brokered convention and a First Lady angling to be Veep.

He said there are no innocent men on Wall Street. Axe has already said the same thing. He claims everyone does it, he just does it better.

I was totally thinking the same thing! He could use this against her so easily. He's really playing the long game though if he expects to use it. Maybe he just likes having it in case of emergency.

Mrs. Conway: Do you ever regret not having children? Claire: Steely-eyed glare Mrs. Conway: I'm sorry, that's too personal. Claire: Do you ever regret having them? Freddie: My bad, my bad. You a motherfucker, MISTER President.

I loved it when Claire started crying and Claire's mom asked her, "is that for me or for yourself?"

I'm not sure taking out Snyder accomplishes nothing. I mean if someone assassinates a President in the US, we have a new President immediately but that doesn't mean people aren't greatly affected. At the very least, it sends a message that the Resistance has some power and can get to a person of some authority. Not everyone in power is safe. And I'm probably giving the show way too much credit, but maybe the Resistance wants a more brutal leader. That would be a call to action for a lot of people who felt relatively safe before. If the leadership is harsher, they might feel there is something worth fighting for that they didn't feel before. I am continually annoyed with the husband not knowing what the wife is up to. I'd feel like it was more believable if it had lasted only a couple of episodes. I guess I have a hard time believing they are so close and in love but she isn't sharing that part of her life with him. They could probably be a help to each other as well.

I liked the snark on Real Housewives. I liked Scott saying "I just choked on that shade" and Emerson saying "Bethenny is closest to my truth." The gay threesome is golden really. Scott talking about how his superhuman power is being judgemental and Emerson saying he's got him beat. I too will miss the Bed Family and their neck pillows.

I don't know. NZT!Brian spent a night with medical textbooks to figure out what was wrong with his Dad, something a team of doctors couldn't do with years of experience. I don't think they showed that regular Brian had an aptitude for medicine before that. He also figured out the Genghis Khan gene/virus connection. That shows me that if you are motivated and you have access to information, you can figure out a lot on NZT even with no prior knowledge. Which is why it annoys me that only Eddie and his doctors have the "cure." You would be hella motivated if you were dying on NZT. But whatever, I hope they are more consistent with other plot points. Another inconsistency was that Agent Deb figured out that the woman in the cafe taking the picture was a regular but she acted all surprised that the woman who picked up the virus coffee was also a regular! But she's not on NZT so I guess she gets a pass. I know, right? Plus, I'm not sure why the lights cut out as well as the computer shutting down. Those are two different series of tubes people.

I was hoping Brian would use his NZT Skillz to turn that stapler into a gun somehow. Like a gun that shot staples or something. Chekhov's stapler. You can't show us a stapler in the first act and not use it! I like how he was happy that they were hazing him. The one thing I'd like to nitpick is how out of all the FBI agents who were on NZT, none of them came up with Eddie's solution to the bad side effects of NZT. Is it because they weren't on it as long as Eddie, so he's smarter? Or is he just smarter than the average FBI agent? Or am I mistaken and the NZT trials the FBI ran were just on average folk and not on agents? Either way, it seems like someone who took enough NZT to become that ravaged would also become smart enough to figure out a cure. Also, how come it doesn't show up on the tests they do on Brian?

Listening to Teddy's story, to me it sounded like she said no many, many times. After he harangued her for a long time she finally stopped saying no, true. But the real problem here is Teddy's refusal to take no for an answer. What Julie did is beside the point. Teddy knew that she didn't want it and he did it anyway. Maybe if she had done something different, like jump out of the car and run away, it would have turned out a different way but Teddy still deserves 100% of the blame and 100% of the focus should be on his shameful behavior rather than what Julie did or didn't do, IMO. As for her having a reputation, it could be that she was promiscuous, it could be that people called her a slut regardless of her sexual experience since that's an easy way to put a girl or woman down or it could be that rapists targeted her because of that reputation and she was a victim multiple times. Or maybe it was just the once. I don't think we really know from the story. What I got from that story is that Teddy is the kind of guy who feels like he is entitled to something if he acts in a certain way. He mentioned that he took Julie to the pizza place and asked her about her family and classes. He expects credit for doing something right, like taking his date out and talking to her. It's not just being a decent human being that is enough for him. He expects that things will go his way for behaving a certain way. I think that really enrages him with Tawney. He loved her and treated her like a husband should treat a wife so obviously she should feel for him as he wishes rather the reality, which is she a person separate from him, with her own needs and desires. His loving her shouldn't come with an expectation that he gets what he wants out of it but for him it does.

That is a great link Winston9-DT3. That graph is quite stark. I was surprised at how high Immigration was as well. And unfortunately not surprised at how low Banking, Insurance and Embezzlement was. I will say that while a lot of the women are murderers, I don't think any of them were charged with murder. There was Claudette who murdered the man who beat(/raped?) one of her employees but I think she got in trouble for hiring illegal immigrants. Chang murdered/maimed the man who rejected her but she might actually have been charged with importing/selling illegal goods. I don't think we saw either way. Then there is Norma who murdered her husband but it doesn't look like anyone was around to see that. Unless she turned herself in, she might have committed some other crime. My memory may be faulty too so there's that.

I started this thread just because of a line in this episode that I absolutely loved. Grace tells Frankie that Sol is wearing a tie she gave Robert for his birthday and Frankie responds with "They can't leave us AND share clothes." Just a quick line but so funny and true to human nature.

I think the girls who play Louie's daughter did a great job in that first scene. Their exaggerated terror at his predicament was spot on. "Daddy, daddy!" And his response, "Go down the block. Don't look at me!" I think Pamela is abrasive but not mean. I like her. I like someone who has strong opinions and isn't afraid to share them. She thought the movie would be stupid, told Louie she thought so but gave it a chance anyway. When it did turn out to be stupid, they left. I think if Louie had been into it, she would have sat through it. I actually think that was a perfectly reasonable compromise to the situation. Pamela seems like someone who questions the status quo rather than mindlessly floats through life like a lot of people. I can see how that would be appealing to Louie. She wanted a reason WHY Louie wanted to see the movie. To her, just because it's some angsty black and white film, it doesn't automatically make it art. But when Louie shared how he wanted to educate himself, she wasn't opposed to it. She was willing to give it a chance. Is there something worthwhile about the film? Let's find out. Same kind of situation with the moving in/exclusivity question. Is it actually worthwhile? Here are the reasons why not: we've both done it before and it didn't work then, we both would like to fool around with other people and don't want to squander the time left we have to do that, we can have more fun this way. She doesn't automatically accept the social conventions concerning dating and the "normal" course of events. She questions them and makes Louie question it as well. Does Louie really want to only be with Pamela? Perhaps it remains to be seen, but isn't it better to think about WHY rather than to do it just because?

I felt exactly the same. My back also ached watching those monks bent over the table like that.

Well, like AimingforYoko pointed out, he's from South Carolina. So he's probably a Blue Dog Democrat. Has that ever been explicitly stated in the show? I'm not sure. Both Blue Dog Democrats and Republicans are ostensibly "fiscally conservative."