phoenix62

Oh, that's right...he's not gothard, he's Vision Forum? Or they one and the same? Still. He needs to come to Philly, he doesn't even need to go to the bad neighborhoods. Center City could be a start, in the gayborhood :-)

Ben needs to put his mad skillz to work and preach in Philly. I'd watch that. Hell, we would even put him up, free room and board. Perhaps he could even take a religion class or 2 at Temple, where my son (who also is named Ben) goes to school. Just imagine. Gothard fundie comes to Philly, lives with atheist heathens, and preaches to inner city youth. TLC, get on this.... (Edit...I put this in the wrong place, I don't know how to move it, eek. It's supposed to be with "Ben Drops Beats"..)

Now THAT I would watch:D

I just finished the book. I went to buy it a few days ago only to find I already bought it (Kindle book)I thought it was well written and just heartbreaking that the author went through all that ....as well as others. What struck me curious was the fact that while she mentioned many people associated with this terrible cult, I don't think she mentioned the Duggars at all save for once. I was hoping that she would blast them in her last chapter like she did others. Perhaps she has good reason. I applaud her for all she's done to bring all this mistreatment to light. I'd love to send a copy to all the Duggar women:-)

Jessa needs to get the hell off IG with the judgmental bible quotes and take care of her kid before he gets smothered. Christ....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lvyt0PwMX_g

I get the sense that JD is probably one of the few of the bunch that will be ok, he works for the township, doesn't he? He seems to actually work at being productive and I get the sense he just 'humors' his father (I'm recalling one show where his father goes on patrol with him and didn't listen to his son AT ALL...the son just laughed it off and said not much happens around the area, anyhow) and may not take him too seriously. I'm guessing he's closer to his twin that it may seem. I'm hoping so, anyhow....perhaps I'm projecting my hopes on these kids. I dunno. I suspect he's rather reserved and that may come off as being rather dim witted. I couldn't tolerate a camera following me, no way. I would look like a complete idiot, I keep to myself. I get mentally wiped out going to visit close friends. I can't even imagine growing up in a family like that.

I had to do the same in respiratory school.

Oh, I thought they were using the flashlight on the phone. Mind, I'm not defending them AT ALL. Those thoughts just ran through my mind when I saw the clip. I really don't they should be on the air anymore either. I worry that I'm complicit in keeping them visible because I follow this board and I used to follow a FB page that snarked on them. For some crazy reason, I really like following the posts here. I feel terrible for the kids, even the older kids, and I know they are just as annoying....but that's all they know. Josh? I'm of two minds concerning him, but I probably went too far off track already...

That's horrible! Who does that?? Wow....

Im not trying to defend these parents, I despise how they've raised those kids....but I really think when the child fell, they were using the flashlight feature on the phone at first. Later when they are taking the child to the ambulance, I think JB was using the camera to get video? As to Michelle smiling....yeah, she's out to lunch, but do you think possibly she is smiling because she is really upset and she's reacting abnormally? I've done that more than once. My child was hurt once and I was so scared and upset....but I was laughing. I wasn't laughing because I thought it was funny that my child hit his forehead and had a nasty cut....I was scared to death. (He was ok, by the way, just a nasty cut and he was scared, too). When my first husband died, at the service, my stepdaughter was laughing and I could tell she was really, really upset. She was saying 'I'm sorry, I can't help it!' I felt so bad for her. Sorry for the book, it was just an explanation...

Just got it for kindle. I'm stuck in the hospital this weekend (shelter in place) because of the Pope's visit. I'm looking for good books to read! This lump pressing against your trachea doesn't sound good. Did you tell the doc this? I hope they can help you...

Say wut!? A 6:1 ratio in the ICU? Oh, hells naw....I can see that on the floor, but the ICU? That hospital must want to get sued.I'm not a nurse, I'm a RT, and a 6:1 ratio would be gravy to us, but all we deal with is the respiratory system.... Good luck with your job hunting, I'm sure you will find a safer hospital:D

I've used phoenix as user names for quite some time....I started using it when I was first separated from my ex and I thought of the proverbial Phoenix rising from the ashes...:| the 62 is my year of birth (1962) meaning I'm old as dirt:D

I don't know if I can post a link? If no, I'll remove it... I saw this on my FB feed... https://www.distractify.com/deborahgross-jessa-disses-josh-1327288613.html?ts_pid=2

That, too. I did wonder about that as well. Given how women seem to be second class citizens...what would generally happen in those circles? Would they be divorced and shunned?

I hope this is the right place to place this question....something to toss out, food for thought. Given that Anna is being STRONGLY encouraged to not leave Josh, what if Derick had done this to Jill? What would JB say then? Just wondering.... (Mind, I really can't see Derick doing something like that, I'm just thinking JB would really take that hard if it were to happen, I sense that she is one of his favored daughters).

That's odd. Wouldn't it be pretty important to discuss what problems led them to treatment in the first place? Mind, I'm not a doctor, but I've had to be in therapy...different reasons, though. I HAD to discuss things I'd done that were maladaptive and understand WHY. It's just sad...

I signed in to say what you said, and you said it better than me:D mind, I think a lot of people with rigid belief systems mean well but ultimately do harm to the children...but I suspect this couple (meaning Joshe's parents) was abusing the trust and kindness of the people in their religious circle, and when they managed to get in the public eye, they took full advantage of the network. I don't bad AT ALL for TLC, they knew what they were dealing with, I'm sure....but I do feel terrible for the children. Mind, I'm not excusing the oldest one (Josh) one iota, but I'm sure he needs counciling...and plenty of it. I feel terrible for his children. Poor kids. I always thought his little ones were adorable, especially little Mikey.

I hope I'm placing this comment in the right place. I followed a link on here to look at a pic on the duggar's page and I saw that they posted this status: Duggar Family Official 8 hrs · John- David’s favorite Bible character is Job. Who is your favorite? Now, I was going to be evil and say the serpent or some such nonsense, but I didn't post anything. O.o I'd guess Job would be Jana's favorite bible character, I'm sure she could relate:/ Perhaps John-David feels like Job having to deal with his parents' craziness. He doesn't live with the others, does he?

Aw. The little guy is adorable but he's only 4 months old? He looks like he's about a year old there. My son looked smaller when he was 6 months old, haha...His father isn't too bad looking. I've seen worse, much worse. Looks like he's lost weight, and considering when're they are, wouldn't surprise me.

I'm extremely jaded concerning these 'mission' trips....I have no real knowledge of them, mind, I was in a combat support hospital in the Army, that's the extent of my camping out :D...but it seems to me that the money they are paying to go to this country and 'help' (read...preach to the people and generally get in the way of any kind of real work medical people are doing) these people....just take that money and donate it, and I'm QUITE sure the people would put it to much better use. "How much does a trip cost? In addition to airfare, in country expenses (food, housing, transportation) are $650 for the first week and $300 for each additional week (Central America only)." That's a nice chunk of change for the area they are visiting. I say just give them the money, and be done with it...or, better yet, give it to Doctors Without Borders. It will be put to MUCH better use. Just my opinion. These people don't need to be preached at, for chrissake...

Re:the little girl's dress and MEchelle's reaction..I didn't see anything off the wall in the You Tube clip either, if anything, I would have had a heart attack because she was walking in dirt and mud with that dress:D that's my OCD coming out...

Looks like it made the national news (ABC)...

I wondered if these kids were getting proper care, but I confess that I never thought something this horrid was going on. My heart breaks for these girls...I can't even imagine the pain they have had to suppress. I've had personal experience with a foster sister( she was 5 years older than I) trying to do some of what Josh admitted to doing, and she forced me to do a few things as well.....needless to say when my foster mother caught her one night, we were not sharing a room any longer. If my foster parents reported it to the social worker, I'm not sure. I rather doubt it, because I'm quite sure we both would have been forced into therapy, and considering the foster family wasn't the greatest place.....well.... (My apology for a personal comment, but I'm going somewhere with this...) What I wonder is this....what happened to these kids that's not been reported? I suspect that he's done a bit more than fondle the victims in question. I hope I'm wrong.... It's just heartbreaking all around. And.....well, I don't believe in a hell, but if there IS one, Michelle and JimBob need to be in the 9th circle of hell for letting those kids (the ones who were molested) be placed in jeopardy. Oh, that's right, though, being Christian and all, they prayed a lot, and they aren't perfect....they are just forgiven. *rolls eyes* That makes it ok, I suppose. I just hope that they cancel the f'n show and pay for secular therapy for all the people who were harmed. They can do that much, surely?