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I think the problem with this show is that it's not Dystopian enough. I need my dystopian society to be either clinically clean with conformity or gritty with fight-for-survival chaos. Other than the occasional drone, there is minimal evidence on Colony of alien occupation or anything beyond a hard-knock life in the city. If the selling point of this show is alien occupation they'd better get on it. I get that they want to maintain some suspense but in the absence of anything really interesting on the show they need to throw some sort of alien bone to the audience. I want to like this show but I'm honestly bored.

This show has potential but I think they need to trim some fat. I could do without the Hawks since I find them cheesy. Plus the actors playing the Hawks are horrible and her teeth and his face are distracting. I hope they have Savage kill them off quickly. They can be resurrected periodically if needed -- but I hope they aren't. A core group of Firestorm, Snart, Heatwave and the Canary would be just fine. I did find myself wishing Hunter was played by Tom Mison from Sleepy Hollow.

I agee. Abbie's relationships and past life experiences are all tell and no show while every phase of Crane's love life is painstakingly chronicled in a flashback, You can tell when the writers have an affinity for a character because they can't go into enough detail about that character. Every aspect of Crane's past is worthy of a casting call and recreation on screen meanwhile we have to be contented with a few sentences descibing Abbie's past relationships. Apparently female character development on SH requires a writer to find you "hot" -- Jenny and Katrina got entire romantic subplots because some writer took a liking to the actual actresses.Watching the episodes back to back has highlighted how repetitive the show is. Every mystery is solved when Abbie has a thought which triggers a memory in Crane which leads him to run to a book and find the answer they need. The show is re-treading ground. Didn't we have a villain last year who unleashed a new monster every week? Didn't we have a murmuring witch? I have never seen a more underserved and overshadowed lead character on television than Abbie. They couldn't let Abbie be the resident badass female. They had to bring in badass Jenny, then failed "badass" Katrina. Now we've got badass Betsey Ross and badass Sophie. Is Zoe going to turn out to be badass too?

I think Nicole Beharie is beautiful and sexy but her character has never been on a date, been kissed or had anything other than a platonic relationship with anyone on the show -- she doesn't even seem to have any friends. Apparently there was a one year time jump yet no evidence that Abby had any sort of romantic fulfillment. Is she celibate?

I've just started DVRing this season and right off the bat it seems they have doubled down on everything people complained about the last season. Diversity? Forget it. The cast went from majority minority to now majority White. Katrina got in the way of Ichabbie? Let's get rid of her and bring in TWO new love interests --Betsy and Zoe. They basically replaced one Black guy for another with Irving being ousted for Lance Grosse's character. They also swapped out one White guy for another and downgraded Hawley with a less attractive, boring Joe Corbin who brings absolutely nothing new to the table. At least Hawley brought comic relief and was a great foil to Crane I'm still not sure why Joe is needed other than as a romantic partner for Jenny who I never felt was needed on the show (see my thoughts in the unpopular opinions thread).

I've only now begun DVRing this season and boy is it hard to watch. This season's plotlines only cemented my belief that Jenny was a completely unnecessary character brought in only as backup because the writers did not view Nicole Beharie as a sexually viable lead. Abbie's continued asexuality only brings the point home that Hollywood does not know what to do with darker hued Black actresses and as a result neglect their character development particularly when it comes to romance. The side plot going on with Jenny and Joe is completely unnecessary , decidedly unscary, and distracting from the Witnesses story and mission. Everything Jenny does could have been done by Abbie including all the romantic interests assigned to her. Removing Jenny from the picture, would have netted a rather sweet opposites-attract relationship with Hawley. Since Abbie apparently babysat Joe Corbin, if they were going to re-introduce this boring character his ties and working relationship should be with Abbie.

I hate how everyone rushed through their lines. What's the hurry? Emma Roberts simply cannot act. She is not capable of nuance or depth.

I officially give up on this franchise. I have accepted that it will never get better than T1 & T2. This movie was just a whole lot of nothing. They basically took iconic characters and made them less serious and less interesting. Sarah and John were miscast. I just wasn't feeling either of the actors. T1 clearly established -- rather awesomely-- that terminators have no emotions and are programmed to not stop a task until it's complete. Why were they working so hard to give Arnold's character human sentimentality? The whole thing with Pops was so corny I couldn't stop rolling my eyes. Between the need to ret-con 1984 Sarah into a badass and the presence of Pops, Kyle Reese was rendered obsolete. Can we please get back to casting Americans to play Americans? I felt like Emilia Clarke's acting was affected by her focus on keeping up the accent. When she slipped up a few times it took me right out of the film. On top of that, none of the acclaimed British/Aussies they keep casting have topped the original American actors who played Sarah, Kyle or John.

I hate to be a glass-half-empty sort of person but scheduling SH on Thursday pretty much assures this will be the show's last season. If you have confidence in a show you'll schedule it during at time that best assures success. That time for SH was Monday nights and unfortunately Goffman and Co. squandered it Now they've blatantly replaced it with Minority Report which, by no coincidence, contains the magic White male/Black female lead combo that seems to be doing well in the ratings. If Minority Report does well, Fox can safely cancel SH. It's going to suck to have the new showrunner come in and clean up the mess Goffman made only to have the show cancelled.

I'm really annoyed at how the Orion plot was left hanging. It was such a waste of a character.

Not surprised at all Orlando's leaving. His character was butchered beyond repair. Irving was effectively removed from his police chief position and turned into an outlaw fugitive. Even with Irving's redemption what role would his character no play besides 3rd wheel to Ichabbie?

I know everyone likes Irving -- and I did too at one point-- but I don't see what his point will be on the show if he's not re-instated as police chief.

So glad the show is not only renewed but Goffman is gone. I wasn't quite ready to let go of Abby and Crane.

I'll be doubly pissed if Gofman goes on to greener pastures and Sleepy Hollow isn't renewed. He's basically getting rewarded for ruining a hit show.

Actors can go for pilots but can end up getting screwed due to the uncertainty surrounding renewal of their current show. Does anyone remember that show "My Boys" on TBS? Actors Jordan Spiro and Kyle Howard both lost roles in new series for which they had shot pilots due uncertainty about whether My Boys would be renewed. Of course after the fact, TBS announced the cancelation of "My Boys". I hope Nicole and Tom don't end up getting similarly screwed if they happen to land new projects.

Fox needs to stop fucking around and just announce a renewal/cancellation. The actors are already missing pilot season so if the show's cancelled we won't get to see Mison/Beharie headlining new shows this year. I get the feeling Nicole has no advocate on the writer's team. Katia Winter has the showrunner in her pocket and Lyndie Greenwood had that one writer raving over how hot she is but I don't know that there's any writer who's Team Nicole. Nicole seems introverted while Katia and Lyndie hang out off set and seem to be more outgoing. Being introverted could affect Nicole's relationship with the writers --and her character's development-- especially since it seemsthe SH crew is an egotistical bunch who needs validation and can't handle criticism.

Nicole posted on Instagram that she wasn't invited to do the DVD commmentary. Would it be unusual to not have the show's co-lead on the commentary? I've never bought a TV show on DVD. I'm sure they get paid extra for commentary so that's income opportunity lost. Does anyone have the Season 1 DVD? I'm curious who was on the commentary.

I didn't feel sadness either watching the scene but it was certainly intended to be viewed that way. Katrina was given a Protagonist's death. She was held. wept over, had a moment of seeming regret, saw a vision of a dead Jeremy and presumably gets to be reunited with him. All the time I was thinking, just die already and go off the hell or wherever but no way was Goffman going to let his baby go out the way she actually deserved to based on the actions of her character. We were already robbed of a another Villain's Death with Katrina weeping over Henry. The SH writer's just don't know how to do "evil" properly.

I hope there's a third season because if Awakening was the last episode Goffman & company still sort of got their way. Katrina was still the central figure in the episode's action. Instead of dying like a true villain Katrina got a Poignant Moment of Humanity. The so-called "epic" Ichabbie hug was stoic and one-sided so as not to overshadow Ichabod's emotional embrace of Dying Katrina. Ichabbie's relationship ended on a decidedly business-only note. Without a third season we'll never know the true extent of their feelings for each other.

Lord please don't bring back Calvin. I found him so grating and entitled. I want them to just focus on the slow build of whatever relationship is the end game for Ichabbie without some third wheel there to create drama.

It seems cruel for the network to drag out a renewal announcement. I wonder if they at least inform the actors so they can pursue other opportunites? Tom and Nicole would pretty much be in limbo for two months as far as accepting potential new projects. It would suck --or them at least-- if they score great new movie roles then had to pull out because they got called back to film more Sleepy Hollow. I'm still wondering why Tom and Nicole weren't sent out on any joint interviews to promote the finale or the season in general. They could have done a satellite radio junket where they conduct interviews with radio stations across the country. Hearing their rapport together could have really sold the show to potential viewers.

I felt like Goffman still wasn't committed to the idea of Evil Katrina. After her stabbing he allowed time for sadness, regret and the corny vision of her beloved Henry, Demons should have come up from hell and dragged her under or something-- the same with Henry since they were both using blood magic for evil. There should have been no doubt between the Witnesses that they did the right thing in putting two horrible people out of commission.

Katrina never got around to separating Abraham from Headless. I hope we don't have to deal with his angst over Deadtrina if we get a third season.

Spoliertv must be deleting anti-Katrina comments. I find it hard to believe every commenter there loves Katrina that much.

This was definitely the best episode of the season. Past Crane was so much more appealing than the lovestruck unreliable fool he was made to be most of the season. He looked really dapper in his uniform. I liked the patience shown with Ichabod slowing coming to believe Abbie. They didn't make it so quick that is seemed improbable but also didn't drag it out to the point of annoyance. Ichabod looked really fetching in his fresh war duds. I loved Ben Franklin but had to laugh at the retconning of the Founding Fathers' intentions. If Abbie represented the Fathers' "dream" it would have been nice if they'd written some rights for women and Blacks into the Constitution and maybe not have owned slaves. Just sayin. Did anyone else catch when he called Abbie "well spoken" I cringed a little. There were so many possibilities with a historical timeline shake up and they took the least interesting one which basically changed nothing.