savinggrace

Ooh, I loved the Underworld movies with Kate in them! I wish they could bring the same sort of vibe to SH.

SH most definitely needs new writers. I don't get the sense the current batch even like Sci-fi/Fantasy.

I'm glad she asked about Orion. I hope they didn't seriously just have him fly off to never return. Len Wiseman is cute.

Sorry, didn't meant to open a can a worms. In my defense I only start to get "casting couch" thoughts when someone is clearly a bad actor/actress and/or their character is strongly disliked for the wrong reasons (i.e. being lame versus being a great villian) yet the person keeps inexplicably getting breaks. My thoughts definitely aren't limited to female actresses though. It just so happens no else on this show is as glaringly bad an actor as Katia Winter so she raised my hackles a bit. That said, you're right. It's not fair to assume that there's some two way street going on with her and Goffman. It's clear Goffman LOVES him some Katrina and that likely accounts for of all the screen time Katia is getting this year. Hopefully the Fox execs have pulled him into a dark room and shaken some sense into him. As for Nicole and Tom appearing flatter this season I agree and it's not surprising. Their characters have been put at odds all season with Katrina wedged between them. Their effortless chemistry has been thrown off. There have been instances where I felt like maybe some real life feelings on the plotlines are bleeding through in their character reactions. I think it has happened more so with Nicole whose role this season has been largely reacting to the Crane ratchedness. At the end of the Heartless episode where Abbie has to tell Katrina that she's been a big help and they need her,I felt that maybe Nicole was not feeling that line too much. Someone above wondered how they will gain back viewers. They basically need a fresh reset and a more serious tone. The show got really corny and people fled.They also might need to do some stunt casting. Give a story arc to a big name star who will generate some buzz --not all these small-time stars they keeping tossing in at random. The glaring thing about the show right now is how little buzz there is. No one is talking about any shocking or cool thing that happened in any of the episodes. That "water cooler" type of talk can generate interest among people who don't want to feel left out but to date Sleepy Hollow has not had an extraordinary episode.

Katrina is the one constant brought up among fans and critics as being the biggest issue with the show. If she's still around for Season 3 I'm going to have to assume a casting couch was involved somewhere along the way. We've gotten to see so little of Ichabod dealing with the modern world because he's bogged down dealing with people from his colonial past who should ALL be dead!

I guess I'm in the minority in not seeing the appeal of the bartender. He looked like a werewolf. Did anyone else catch the tail end of whatever boring conversation he was having with Jenny? He said something about a dog and I remember feeling grateful that Hawley came and dismissed him.

I have a theory that, everything being equal, the person with the British accent will be perceived as the better actor. I don't mean this in the case of Tom Mison but It amazes me how British accents can allow an actor to get praise for otherwise mediocre acting. Emilia Clarke on Game of Thrones and Emma Watson in everything she does comes to mind. Considering that theory, it's amusing that Katia Winter's acting is so bad her accent can't compensate.

I think breaking the serialization is necessary as a last resort because this season is a lost cause. They aren't going to regain viewers with the current focus on the Colonial love triangle. They need to wrap that crap up, bid the should-be-dead colonials (i.e. Katrina, Abraham and Henry) adieu, and bring the focus back to the man out of time navigating the modern world with his feisty partner.

Well the execs specifically said they didn't want viewers to feel like they couldn't follow the show if they missed a couple of episodes. I definitely think they want to nix long-term plot arcs. That's good news if it ends the CFD but bad news if it ends the Witness/Apocalypse story.

I'd have to disagree with any assertion that Nicole Beharie is a bad actress. All you have to do is compare her with Katia Winter to see the difference. Just in the last episode, Paradise Lost, I noticed a range of emotions passed over Abbie's face when she conversed with Orion and you could almost read each one. By contrast, Katia Winter has such limited range that I have no idea what she's supposed to be conveying half the time. Is Katrina being shady? Is she concerned? Is she jealous? Who knows? If Nicole is perceived to be eye-rolling a lot, it's because -as fantique alluded-- she's been given such a reactionary role this season. I can say without doubt, that every eyeroll from Abbie was accompanied by one of my own from home because her exasperation and disgust mirrored what I was feeling watching her deal with all the CFD. In that sense her reactions were perfect.

The problem is that Hawley's intentions were broadcast beyond stray looks. They had a monster-of-the week episode for which the entire purpose seemed to be bringing Hawley's affection for Abbie to light. They had Ichabod acting jealous or paternal (depending on your view) about a potential Hawley/Abbie union. On top of that Ichabod gave Abbie his "blessing" to date Hawley. They can't just pretend major character moments like that didn't happen. As someone else said they could have had Hawley acknowledge he had a crush and that he was over it so viewers who aren't privy to the writer's storyboard changes aren't watching the show going "WTF" and thinking they may have missed an episode or two.

I hope that by claiming the "serialization" of the show is the problem that the Fox execs are just trying to spare the feeling of some of the writers and cast members who need to be let go. Sleepy Hollow was serialized from the very beginning and ratings were fine. People thought they were getting a story about Two Witness who were tasked with fending off the Apocalypse and were tuning in to see how things unfolded. Then they revealed the Horseman of Death was some jilted boyfriend and things started going to the crapper. If they've checked any of the feedback they know damn well that the biggest issue has been the disruption of the lead characters Abbie and Ichabod. By shoe-horning Katrina in as the de-facto leading lady they messed up a good formula and sidelined the true leading lady. The shoddy writing and plot contrivances is but the stale icing on a moldy cake.

...and yet another prospect of redemption would be on the table. I can already see it "Can Crane and Mills save Katrina from the evil that has overtaken her?"

I think it made Jenny look equally weird because she was the one throwing herself at him and coming across jealous in earlier episodes.Once again, no fault of the actress, but really bad writing.

Making Frank a horseman would mean we have yet another neutered villian and candidate for redemption. I don't think the actor Max Brown was signed to any more episodes so Orion could be yet another plot thread left hanging.

I'm kinda hoping Fox cancels the show and another network with more competent writers picks it up. I wouldn't even mind it going to Netflix since they seem to have very good writers on their programs like Orange is the New Black and House of Cards.

The way they handled Hawley's character is such a hack job and is just plain lazy. They don't want to take the time to "show" so they throw in a couple of lines to "tell". It's just like how they have Abbie and Crane utter ridiculous lines about how "powerful" and "helpful" Katrina is to their cause so the writers don't have to actually show Katrina being either of those things.

I can't even with this comment from the link. Off to barf now!

Nice try "hiding" Katrina in the ads but once people see her being shoe-horned into the next few episodes what's left of the show's viewers will likely continue to dwindle.

Making the the Horsemen of the Apocalypse avatars was a big mistake. The Horseman should be mysterious entities. We shouldn't know jack shit about them other than to fear them. Seeing them should signal the end of days is near and therefor there should only be one being representing each horseman-- not a revolving door of whiny men enlisted to wear a "horseman" costume.

I'm predicting a lot of Ichabbie moments and humor in the Hawley episode. Watching Ichabod contain his annoyance with Hawley should be fun enough.

Somehow I think Hawley will be more proactive in his own rescue unlike our beloved StruggleWitch.

I don't mind Hawley since he's always working with Abbie, Jennie and Ichabod and he doesn't bore me like Katrina. It seems like it will be a fun episode if Katrina isn't around to drag down the proceedings with CFD. That said, that episode sounds like a tangent. They haven't even soundly wrapped up inconsistencies and plot holes in the current story --why go introduce a completely new element that doesn't seem to tie into their already established plot arc?

Orion's character could have been a great opportunity to open up the world of Sleepy Hollow and involve the town's inhabitants. Imagine news reports of an angel winging it around town. He could easily have his own cult in a day, tops by rounding up true "believers." Orion and his followers could have presented an interesting obstacle to Ichabbie.To date their foes have always been very obvious supernatural villains. Imagine them having to contend with fanatical Orionites sabotaging their mission and creating havoc in the town. Wasn't Headless originally an evil Hessian soldier before they retconned him into Katrina's jilted lover?

I thought the whole reason Abbie and Jenny were estranged was that Abbie lied about what she saw in the woods and went on to a normal life while Jenny told the truth and was institutionalized? It's been a while so I could be wrong there. The show has a continuity problem and it's rules are so arbitrary. I find it interesting that everyone that we know of who was in purgatory involuntarily was there because they were dead (i.e. Orion, Andy and likely Irving). Katrina was clearly supposed to be dead in season 1 as evidenced by her tombstone which was inexplicably located in a church graveyard and descriptively engraved "Burnt for witchcraft. Somewhere along the way Goffman and company decided they liked Katrina too much for her to really be dead so they changed the rules so that purgatory didn't mean someone was truly dead. Now we have folks like Katrina and Orion spilling out of purgatory 200 years after death like it's no biggie. It all begs the question what on earth is the point of purgatory? If you're released from purgatory shouldn't your soul go to heaven or hell-- not back to earth as a living creature? I think the show would have been much better off if Katrina resolved whatever unfinished business she had with Crane as a ghost then had her soul released to wherever.