HeatLifer

I can see why people would think this, but I saw this as in character of Archie. He falls right in with the emotions he’s feeling, even if he doesn’t quite understand them. I also don’t think he was ever that DEEPLY in love with Veronica, and I have always believed that we were just waiting for the day it finally clicked for him that he’s been in love with Betty for a long time. They really need to stop this “endgame” crap. I personally couldn’t care less and it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t see other romantic pairings on Riverdale. Thankfully, I doubt this is an ending to Barchie. It’s only the beginning. This is how I saw it, too. Especially after 4x17. It’s way too romantic and heartbreaking. There’s not a lot of Jughead and Veronica time in this story. Even when Betty says she loves Jughead, she’s not flashing back to him. She’s flashing back to Archie.

I think Betty loves Jug, but I think she repeated it to herself continuously because she was scared of what she was feeling for Archie. I think she also brought up Veronica a few times to try to push that on Archie so everything could just stay as it is. Betty’s just not ready to take a leap of faith with Archie. She remembers the rejection and the unrequited love very well. I do think there’s a passion with Barchie that isn’t there right now with Bughead, though. And that’s also scary for Betty.

I think this was super important. She’s extremely terrified of getting hurt by Archie and losing Jughead for no reason. That’s why she can’t fully confront or understand how she feels about Archie. She can’t go back to that space where she loves him so much and he doesn’t return the feelings, that’s where the flashback came in. She needs to know that what he feels is legit. At the end when she asked if he loved Ronnie, I was almost wondering if she wanted him to say no. I don’t think what Cheryl said is true. I think it gave Betty a reason to bounce and pretend like what Archie and herself are feeling isn’t real. It’s convenient. Obvs this is going to bite her in the ass when she realizes what she feels is not going away. For now, yes. They wanted us to feel for them. I think he will tell her. Next week, probably not, but I think he’s going to tell her about Betty and that’s when Betty will realize that what he feels is legitimate. It’s Archie’s turn to pine in their love game.

RAS gifting me with an Archie/Betty/Jughead triangle and making Veronica irrelevant!? What did I do to deserve this gift, I don’t know. It’s all I’ve wanted. I loved seeing Barchie as kids and getting insight into Betty’s diary, so cool to get to see the beginnings of their friendship and see how much they really adored each other. And Archie, this boy is just so far gone, he thinks with his heart and he’s just so pure. When he spoke with Fred at his grave. 😞 And getting inspired to write and sing again? Who is doing it like him. It’s clear that Barchie have feelings but Betty is moreso not ready for it, probably still hurt by being rejected years ago (hence the season 1 flashback of the day after Archie said he couldn’t give her the answer she wanted), and she can’t fathom losing her love with Jughead for something she can’t quite understand. Archie’s ready to set sail, LOL. Poor Ronnie. This shit is what I live for. I need more.

Varchie and Bughead are a group of people who are teenagers, they’re not married, they didn’t make vows to love anyone forever. I’ll just leave it at that because it’s TV and it’s not that big for me, lol. We can all agree to disagree.

1x13, 2x08, 2x09, 3x09...just off the top of my head. Not sure how that last scene by their windows gave any impression of cheap or tawdry, but to each their own. I’m also not sure what endgames have to do with anything because it’s a long running program and Bughead and Varchie were due for breakups and other relationships. This.

It was foreshadowed since 411, if we are exclusively referring to this season, when they were holding hands at Pop’s. From that moment, people began to speculate about whether or not it was real. Because it was obviously meant to look romantic. Turns out, while it happened during the time they pretending to date, the feelings were real. But that has nothing to do with whether or not Betty is devoted to Jughead. She loves Jughead. But feelings that she always felt for Archie resurfaced. All these things can be true simultaneously. It’s not about giving the writers credit —it’s more about how each viewer watched Riverdale and what they picked up on or didn’t. My vision of the show just happened to coincide with the story they’re telling now. I don’t see it as a surprise.

I don’t see any scenario where a Bughead or Varchie fan would find Barchie likeable or plot where they’d be accepted by these fans. That’s a losing battle. I don’t think the cheating makes them super likeable but I also don’t think it makes them unlikeable. Their feelings are real. It would be far more unrootable if they cheated just cause of hormones.

@RS3 Couldn’t have said it any better. This was all very clearly foreshadowed since 411 and it was bound to happen since the absolute beginning. The cheating happening makes sense because it was something they would never be able to acknowledge otherwise. They hid the feelings so deeply that when they fake dated it just all came flooding back. Then they got caught up in a moment during a love song. This isn’t about not loving Jughead or Veronica, but it’s moreso about them uncovering their own love they have for each other that was always there. The promo for the next episode has me on the edge of my seat, lol. I refuse to get into another Lili/Cole debacle, lol, but their relationship either way should not affect the show. Barchie was always something that would happen regardless.

LOL, Barchie isn’t being written to win over Bughead and Varchie fans. They’re not expecting people who view Riverdale in that way to welcome them with open arms and root for them. Objectively, I find this story highly entertaining and the actors sold it. Some of the most beautiful scenes this show has done. I’m excited to see the fallout because Cole and Cami will kill that, too. This is such a complicated story that is deeper than labeling it as an expose on cheaters. They didn’t cheat to cheat or because of a random fight. Feelings when you’re a teen are highly exaggerated and something spontaneous happened that was building for a long time.

KJ’s voice has improved so much, did a bit of a rewatch and he really nailed some of vocals. Pretty cool to see that progression because I know he hates his own voice, lol.

I loved Archie/Josie so I dunno if I’d want that erased, but I never understood why Barchie couldn’t happen in S2 or S3. I don’t know how far the cheating will go, but Jughead and Veronica shouldn’t forgive. The storyline if done correctly should go into next season and have a proper fallout. And, yeah, it’s a mistake for Barchie to act on these feelings, it’s a betrayal. But I think it’s far deeper and more complicated and they’re 18? years old. I think a mistake this show took very early on is giving fans this impression that Varchie and Bughead were practically married.

I’m with you. I’m thoroughly enjoying this. I think this is exactly the kind of shakeup the show needed. I’m looking forward to seeing the angst and the fallout from this complication of feelings. KJ and Lili’s chemistry is fantastic and seeing a new dynanmic between Betty and Archie will be super intriguing, especially if they’re sneaking around and/or attempting to keep their distance because they know nothing good will come if they’re in the same vicinity. I think depending on how someone has watched Riverdale, people will either love/hate this but either way the extreme reaction is what RAS is most likely going for. As far as whether it makes sense because Barchie didn’t share scenes at the beginning of the season? I think Barchie is more about the teases that were thrown in since S1. In particular, more recently, 309 is a very interesting episode to watch again. The fake dating thing worked for me cause they always had buried feelings but could never act on them properly due to reasons related to timing, being in a relationship, etc. The kiss in the music room just sent everything to hell because it raised those feelings again. But I also get if people say they think it needed more development, I just think Barchie’s story was always more intentionally subtle.

I always knew KJ and Lili could do this, and was always waiting for RAS to get his head out of his own ass, and now that we are here they’ve exceeded my expectations. Like, wow. That’s all I can get out because I’m too shook. I’ll have better commentary when I’ve actually absorbed it all, bwah.

I’m actually looking forward to this plot and that hasn’t happened in a long ass time. I’ll take this win.

Oh, I 1000% agree. There have been signs since the Pilot, period.

LITERALLY MY FAVORITE ERA WITH MOST OF MY FAVE ACTORS

Never saw anything myself, just read about it on social media, so I don’t know what’s true/false. Just that there is supposedly a kiss after they fight with Jughead and Ronnie and then they have some eye staring contest at the window. I’m sure there’s more but I didn’t really care too much because I’d rather see it play out for what it’s supposed to be.

I understand you, while I personally don’t let those types of rowdy fans affect me, it makes sense that you don’t want to give them more dirt to throw, in a sense. Depends how far it goes. Is it just this one time and they feel badly enough to try to stop themselves? Or does it lead to more? Are they lying and sneaking around? It could go various different ways. They’re kids, shit happens. Although I’d argue and say that if your definition of cheating is very black-and-white, then I’d say they already cheated when they felt something in the initial kiss in front of Cheryl.

Roberto, damn, I didn’t know you had this in you. I apologize for not believing in you. I’m not judging until I see it, but this opens up so many doors and the reaction of the “stans” in the fanbase should not be their priority in creating a compelling drama.

You just reminded me of how much I loved the progression of JnR after the AJ debacle. Like, it’s still surreal to me that we got an apology like not just, “Sorry.” But “YOU WERE RIGHT, SHOULDNT HAVE DONE THAT.” Still blows my mind. Who kidnapped the writers that day, I need to know, send them flowers and shit.

Pls someone find out how to air ‘96/97/98 reruns. Thank you.

Wait till he finds out that the story selection was based on Cole not wanting to stand outside.

I hope she was a bit tipsy because I can’t get over her saying “there’s never a right time” and then admitting she hadn’t even thought about it in 20 YEARS. You’re really on top of it, Nance.

Everything is nonsensical right now compared to the life/death situation worldwide. On the other hand, a lot of us are forced to stay inside our homes (as we should) and we’re trying to keep ourselves busy/entertained. So whether that’s with Netflix, music, cooking, painting, yoga, reading, etc. I see Riverdale in the same vein.