Trillian

We don’t really have an offence of involuntary manslaughter. Manslaughter itself encompasses the notion that one did not have the requisite intent to murder but did have the intent to cause harm. However, Luke has a self-defence argument (which, in Canada, includes reasonable belief that another person - and not just the accused himself - would otherwise be harmed). I had no problem with the idea that he might be arrested. It easily could go either way, and, when one person ends up dead or seriously injured, police tend to err on the side of arrest and let the courts figure it out. I did have a problem with how they went about it. What was ridiculous was that they didn’t either arrest him immediately or ask him - possibly through the lawyer Moira mentions he has - to turn himself in. There’s a very good chance he’d get bail. Police do not “put out a bulletin” among themselves to announce they are getting a warrant, and they usually don’t get the warrant until the two options above are exhausted. And the manhunt at the train station was absurd. All of a sudden, this show is painting Canada as a wild, lawless place with no explanation of how it got there. Just shaking my head and glad I can now turn my attention to the Crown and get this mess out of my head.

None of it makes any sense. Earlier seasons showed women crossing the border to be embraced immediately by the support and protection of Canadian authorities. Now, June and Serena rush to cross the (now mushy due to “no man’s land”) border and get to Toronto. What happens? No Canadian official or child welfare worker is involved, but a representative of a foreign government arranges for her to be released (from whom, exactly?) to live in servitude to the Wheelers. Who appear to be Canadians living in Canada. She told June she needed a lawyer but she doesn’t. “Hello, Toronto Police? These people have my baby and won’t give him back to me”. It should be a no-brainer. In Canada, it’s her baby, not Gilead’s or Tuello’s. Similarly, while I don’t want to get into a debate about the Canadian criminal Justice system (although, frankly, I am qualified to do so and would welcome it by DM), holding someone’s baby hostage to intimidate the person into compliance - including not leaving the house at will - is an offence. Multiple offences. And I have seen people prosecuted for less than a couple of slaps. So all this board talk of escaping and going to Tuello or Lawrence doesn’t work for me. They should have no authority north of the border. If Serena doesn’t want to ask for help, explain it, please, show. If Gilead law now rules in Canada (or is it just Toronto?), explain it, please, show. Otherwise, this is just horrible, lazy writing.

I can assure you that assault, kidnapping, forcible confinement and slavery are all illegal in Canada. I can’t wrap my mind around this show’s (sorry excuse for a) universe where this all happens in Canada and Serena has no recourse. [small voice] I felt the same way. I get that this show, while based on a work by a Canadian author, filmed in Canada and now with most scenes based in Canada, must appeal for commercial reasons to the numerically larger American audience, but that was too much for me. The show has what’s left of the US gov’t conducting military operations from Canadian soil as if Canada is not a sovereign nation and as if they, the Americans, are in charge. They risk retaliation by Gilead on Canada but no one seems to notice. Watching the soi-disant refugees publicly pledging allegiance to a foreign government made me both slightly ill and angry.

I’ve kinda zoned out over No Man’s Land for several episodes now. Makes no sense when there’s there’s a defined water border. I tend to go all “lalala” whenever it’s mentioned. Yes, I am hate watching at this point. this episode actually had me laughing when a woman was separated from her baby. I’d like to think I’d be a June, who would help another woman in childbirth even if that woman is an enemy. But after that? I did find that -evilly- satisfying.

Husband, who is just a sporadic viewer, kept asking questions throughout the episode. One of them was, “why is Madison there?” My answer “she’s married to the showrunner”.

Wow. My beloved cousin died suddenly of a heart attack just this week, and your description of what must’ve happened - his wife described the efforts to save him as heroic - is hitting hard. Thank you for the last paragraph - I’m glad she wouldn’t have seen the worst of it. I guess this highlights the clumsy way they shoehorned Dr Marcus into the story. The whole circle of life with one dead and one saved in 20 minutes does sound like a total fail. What didn’t work for me (glaring on the rewatch I was able to do this afternoon) is Jack’s lemonade speech. It worked for Dr K, because the lemonade was baby Randall and, to be blunt, Kyle was already dead and the worst had already happened. But Jack told a father who was concerned about his son’s surviving surgery to make the best of a bad situation. He’s lucky the dad didn’t haul off and belt him. Time and place, Jack.

IIRC, there were background sounds of the code while Rebecca was on the phone and one could see people running around and into “a” room in the background. Just found the scene: I did remember correctly. Whether that all could’ve happened in the time allotted, I leave to you (I missed that class in law school).

The show was always going to go with Jack at the end and there are good plot reasons for that, I agree. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that it should have ended with Miguel and only Miguel, or even Miguel being more “important” than Jack. It’s the short shrift he got that rankles me, and I suspect others. I like your idea that he should have been the conductor, but, then again, I don’t like William either. He was too much of the trope discussed here. I frankly think he wasn’t important enough in Rebecca’s life to have taken such a central role in her journey to the afterlife. I could see him being that with Beth, since they formed a close bond, but not Rebecca.

Rebecca and Miguel might not have been married as long as she and Jack were, but they were friends for a very long time, with their friendship becoming deeper and more meaningful after Jack died. It’s like When Harry Met Sally: “it only took 3 months”; “well, 12 years and 3 months”. Miguel was in her life far longer than Jack was and the character deserved more than the quick brush-off on the train.

I wonder if Dr Marcus is a remnant of the clinical trial plot line that got derailed by covid. Otherwise, my only feeling when the Alzheimer’s breakthrough speech came (other than eye rolling at the long-term consequences of a Pearson speech) was that isn’t that nice but way too late to help Rebecca so who cares.

I was sad about the cat. The rest of the episode ….

I had the same thoughts and ended up agreeing with @funnygirl on this one. Sophie knows the family dynamic so well because she was around while it was being formed. The same way your cousins or - if you are blessed with still being in touch with a childhood friend - know your family intimately even if you’ve lost physical proximity to them over the years. The groundwork for that family meeting was laid back when Sophie was around and even before Beth came on the scene. I’ll buy it.

You mean the “chain-smoking basement-dwellers and mentally unstable, muumuu-wearing losers”?

That’s a sweet story. Even if it does sound like one of the documentary couples in When Harry Met Sally!

Kevin lost his wallet in the rain coming back from Vancouver for the twins’ birth. I guess he got it back with the contents intact? why was Sophie still wearing her wedding ring - other than to psych us all out? The whole time Cassidy was in his room, I was waiting for her to see the pink bra strategically draped over the chair where she left her shawl. And who changes in someone else’s room? Kev, help me unzip this thing. Unzipped. She throws her shawl over the unzipped back and returns to her own room to change into PJs. Was she just going to wander around the hotel clutching her pyjamas until she found someone to help? Doesn’t matter. I loved it. Cried a bit at the montage of different-aged Sophie and Kevin walking together. It’s totally implausible, but it speaks to that deep-down longing for the first love - the one that got away - that a lot of people have. As someone above said, it’s a fairy tale. I, for one, am thrilled Kevin got his happily ever after.

I asked my pharmacist to give me a tiny, “travel-size”, empty bottle and put my Rx label on it.

That’s such a beautiful thought. They won’t do it, but should.

As a Sophie fan, rooting for those two crazy kids at my lonely table for one, I’m guessing they won’t go down the cheating road because the audience wouldn’t like it. We saw them in this episode taking a stroll together and looking pensive: was Sophie perhaps telling Kevin that her marriage is troubled and/or essentially over so that she’s free to fulfil my dream of their getting back together? I also was surprised to see Miguel walking Kate down the aisle, as much as I was pleased the poor guy got the honour. Leaving aside the etiquette of giving away a mature second-time bride as if she is new [TM Miss Manners], Miguel was never a father figure to Kate, either in having taken that role when she was a child (since her own father was alive until her late teens) or in anything we’ve seen since. I think they missed the chance - in keeping with earlier themes - to have Rebecca walk her down the aisle, perhaps accompanied by Miguel. Oh, and by the way, shut up, Randall.

There were glimpses of women in hats/fascinators that I assumed were supposed to be his British relatives because - hats. Same with random Scottish guy. I think the writers watched Three Weddings and a Funeral and assumed the hats and loud Scottish guy are representative of Brits at weddings.

I thought little Jack also looked quite a bit smaller/younger than his younger sister. I guess it can happen, since we don’t know the stature of Hailey’s biological father but I found it jarring. Then again, despite how perfect so much of the casting has been in matching the young and old versions of the characters, if they were looking for a vision-impaired young boy of a particular age (and kudos for doing so), the pool of candidates was probably limited.

It wasn’t anymore - until I read your post. Gee, thanks for putting it back in my ear.

It was so manipulative of the show. Toby’s “realization” that Kate was right is supposed to make everything Kate did ok. It wasn’t selfish of Kate - it was for his own good! And “manic pixie Pearson” is brilliant. Thanks for the giggle. He did just tell her the equivalent of a terminal illness - he told her he was dedicated enough to the marriage and the family that he was willing to sacrifice his own happiness and career. Can’t you just imagine her thinking “shit, now I have to find some other way to make him the bad guy”.

That’s a great point. Just divorce the guy and get it over with - it’s not like she tried to fix anything. No, our precious Kate had to grind him into the dust first.

Any vestige of sympathy I had for Kate (and I had very little by this point) vanished when Toby offered to take the LA job that was a step down in his career and Kate said yes. Any halfway decent spouse would’ve said, “look, you don’t have to take a job that won’t make you happy (and that is mysteriously still open to you) but I don’t want to move to SF and can’t handle our being separated long-term. Can we talk about a plan?”. He could’ve continued looking for something better in LA or even tried to negotiate fewer days in the SF office and more remote work. What a horrible creature with no concern for anybody but herself. I begrudged her every minute of happiness that followed in the episode.

I was about to write:. She has skills. She sings adequately enough to teach music to young children. My SIL is a teacher, specializing in music, for primary grades (K-3) and can’t sing nearly as well as Kate. And then I remembered:. SIL reads music, plays the piano beautifully, has a bachelor’s degree in music and another bachelor’s degree in education. So, never mind….