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BJR and Jamie

I loved "North and South", but i haven't tried to reread them in eons.

The actor was wearing a fake leg. Sam and Cait were laughing while describing it. Ian is supposed to be running up the stairs in that scene and the actor was having issues.

I've heard of them, and I read some reviews and passed on them. It just didn't grab me. Thanks for the response. :)

Which series? I am willing to give it a go.

I am watching Episode 106 and I noticed something during the flogging scene in the background. Since we know that Jamie's dad is there, there is a shot of Dougal and Brian Fraser is out of focus over his shoulder. But you can tell it's him, It looks like he's starting to sway. Did anyone else see this or think the same?

My 8 year old son is enjoying the parts of Outlander that i let him see. He loves the scenes with the Highlanders. We were watching a scene in "Rent" and he just asked me, "Mommy, did the tooth fairy visit them back then?" "Are you asking because Angus has missing and black teeth? " "Yes." "Probably not since they didn't really brush their teeth and they didn't know that eating greens and vegetables were good for their gums. " "That's too bad, especially since they are giving their pigs and goats to the king. They could use the money. "

Not to mention those scars and how they were administered shaped a good measure of Jamie is and the brutality by BJR needed to be shown to see how truly evil he is. I don't think that just being told really had the same impact as BJR reminiscing about the beauty he thought it was juxtaposed over how horrific it actually was.

The scene with Murtagh and Jamie might not include Claire, but it could be in flashback during a conversation between Jamie and Claire.

I loved Jamie and Claire at Lallybroch. There is a lot that can be condensed down, but there are some really wonderful scenes. Besides Jamie and Claire, when I heard they were making this into a series I really wanted to see Jamie and Ian's relationship on screen. Even though they aren't portraying Jamie as left-handed, I really hope that they leave this in. “Watch them sometime, when they’re walking the fields together. I dinna suppose they even realize they do it still, but they do. Jamie always moves to the left, so Ian can take up his place on the right, guardin’ the weak side.”

And to elaborate why this is important,

I'm not naming names or calling anyone out specifically, because I know it's my issue. I'm just venting my frustration.

I haven't seen it in the Book Talk areas because we already know. :) There's a fine line to walk through in the episode threads. I'm trying.

Deleted...Nidratime already said it. :)

No there really hasn't. I can understand some of the comments from people who haven't read the books, but when they start criticizing actual characterization I have a hard time because the characters are fleshed out in the book and if they actually read the book, they'd know. It's my issue, I know. :)

In the Gathering, we learn from Murtaugh that Dougal thinks that Jamie is his rival to be Laird. Politics being what they are, the clansmen will never accept him if he has a Sassanach wife. So it behooves Dougal to remove Jamie as his rival. I won't spoil it for anyone but in the book, there is another reason that Jamie will tell Claire after they are married.

After reading most of the comments in the Episode threads I think the one thing I don't like about this series is how it has condensed a lot of the interactions between Jamie and Claire leading up to the wedding. In the book, there's more interaction that what has been shown that doesn't make it seem so thrown together. So for someone that is unsullied and they don't see why it's happening, I can understand why they don't get it, but as someone that has read this book too many times to count all I can do is sigh, bite my tongue to not yell "READ THE BOOK!" and wait for next week. Edited to fix...because proper grammar is good.

They don't have to show BJR a marriage contract. All they have to say is that she married someone in Clan Mackenzie. I doubt most marriages done at this time would have a contract drawn up. Dougal isn't compelled to tell BJR or anyone else who she married, only that she is and now legally, unless she's committed a crime she's out of reach. Dougal thinks that Jamie is his rival to be Laird. The clansmen will never accept him if he has a Sassanach wife. It's political, not contrivance at that point.

In response to some above posts regarding the marriage contract, I don't think they have to produce an actual marriage contract considering that in those times Scotland handfasting was almost considered marriage. According to Wikipedia... The verb to handfast in the sense of "to formally promise, to make a contract" is recorded for Late Old English, especially in the context of a contract of marriage. The derived handfasting is for a ceremony of engagement or betrothal is recorded in Early Modern English. The term was presumably loaned into English from Old Norse handfesta "to strike a bargain by joining hands"; there are also comparanda from the North Sea Germanic sphere, Old Frisian hondfestinge and Middle Low German hantvestinge. The term is derived from the verb to handfast, used in Middle to Early Modern English for the making of a contract.[2] All they really need is witnesses and there will be those aplenty with the Clan Mackenzie rent collection party.

Did you read the book, DoughGirl? I'm genuinely asking, not sarcastically.

I try really hard to be respectful of opinions that differ from mine. To each their own and all, right? I find myself getting irritated with the comments in the episode thread. I don't want to be that person, but I just want to yell sometimes.

I have enjoyed most of the deviations from the book. One thing I love is changing how Claire was really told about Jamie's flogging at the hand of BJR from Dougal at St. Ninian's spring to BJR. It brings me back to this quote from Jamie to Claire later in the book “Now, listen. Ye understand me, ye say, and I believe it. But there’s a difference between understandin’ something with your mind and really knowing it, deep down.” Even though she had seen Jamie's scars, Dougal telling her the story is not as impactful as BJR telling her what happened from his point of view. That was genius on Ron Moore's part.

Holy hell that episiode was brilliantly brutal. Tobias Menzies was superb. The flogging scene was artistry. I felt BJR's darkness in every lash. Dougal was fantastic.

Ian coming back was heart wrenching. I didn't see it coming and when it did, I cried. I rarely cry at movies or books. For instance, there wasn't a death in any of the books that made me cry.

Another clip from Spoilertv, it's not really spoiling anything other than BJR...Holy Hell, my heart sped up and not in a good way. http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/09/outlander-episode-106-garrison_11.html