SwordQueen

Yes, Brandi's hypocrisy. She's doing damage to her own children by bashing their father publicly (and no doubt privately) and talking non-stop about every sordid detail of his affairs, plus her own drunken ones. Why she would do that to her own children is beyond me. Who was it who said that people should "Love their kids more than they hate their ex" or something like that? So she has no room to speak about other people's betrayals and how it affects their kids. She hurts her own kids and other people's kids in order to garner more fame and thinks nothing of it.

It's not that Eileen is untouchable or that people have to tiptoe around her "affair"... it's more like "Who the fuck cares?!" Twenty years ago, it happened. People cheat. People leave their spouses because they are not happy and/or because they find someone else with whom they want to spend their lives. It happens and it's something that has obviously been worked out by all of the involved parties, in Eileen and Vince's situation. Brandi is not an involved party. How "upset" and "offended" she is that something happened that has nothing to do with her took place over 20 years ago, is irrelevant. And let's face it, Brandi doesn't even really care. Like she cares who is screwing whom. She just needed something to further her "Betrayed Wife" title and she has to resort to using other people's betrayals because hers are all played out. I'm sure Vince's ex-wife was super pleased that some twat on TV was using her marriage as a plot point. lol IMO, it's not about tiptoeing around Eileen, it's more about respecting Vince's ex-wife and the details of her marriage and divorce with respect to her kids ... because they aren't just Vince's kids and Eileen's step kids, they are the ex-wife's kids, as well. And maybe she doesn't appreciate having someone dredge up old news when she's moved on. The fact is that none of us knows what went on with those two couples and for Brandi to act like she's personally affected or offended by something she knows nothing about is just another example of her self-centered egoism and lack of respect she has for everyone else.

I remember that, too, now that you mention it. Kyle has been pretty consistent in her thoughtfulness with regards to how her fans (which I think she's specifically referring to, not everyone in general) react towards the other HW and whether I agree with her plea or not, I give her credit for that. I mean I'm also of the mindset that once you put your shit out there for everyone to see, you can't control the reactions of others, however, I see this instance as a little different. I feel like Kim has shown her ass yet again at the reunion and in the news with Kingsley, and Codependent Kyle is asking for a little mercy with regards to people's expressed opinions (via Twitter) towards Kim and their family. WireWrap, we posted at the same time and you make a great point about Kyle protecting Kim's kids. She does really love them and it shows.

I think with the dog bite, the tension in the family has become more volatile than it's been in the entire 5 Seasons on the show, so maybe Kyle's just performing her given role in the family -- trying to make everything better. I also think this is as yet another example of Kyle trying to protect Kim and the rest of her family to her own detriment (in once again being blamed for the world). That Kim hasn't and won't tell anyone, esp. not even bff Tampon, to cool it with the attacks towards Kyle says a lot about their respective ideas about love, kindness and family, imo. I personally might not think Kyle should try and protect Kim or care what people say about/to her, but Kyle seems to still be more loyal to Kim than she deserves.

Oh, definitely. Kim is a jealous, threatened asshole towards Kyle, in general, but she could also be attacking her in order to push her away because she wants privacy to use. In fact, that's exactly what I believe she was doing to all of the other HW too (excepting Tampon because she's a drug buddy) with the threats and general nastiness. I can relate to your cig story, because I can get that way as well when I'm actively relapsing in my ED. It's this overwhelming desire for everyone to GO AWAY, MYOB, and STOP JUDGING ME so you can resume your unhealthy activities in peace and quiet, which is part of the whole mental aspect of addiction. You want to be alone with your vices because your vices are your only source of (perceived) comfort and safety and non-judgmental company. It's a terrible position for loved ones to be in because what do they do? Leave the addict alone to however-slowly kill themselves, or intercept and deal with the wrath -- it's a no-win situation for everyone, including the addict who will eventually succeed in pushing everyone away and then they really will only have their vices left to comfort them. I remember that I used to avoid my friends and family because I didn't want them bugging me. I'd get irritable towards people and practically push them out the door or off the phone. I'd wait for my ex to fall asleep at night and then climb out of bed to resume exercising or binge/purge in peace. I can see Kim doing similar things in order to have a moment to herself to use. All of her excuses for why she's late, all of the "Yadda, yadda, yaddas", empty reciting of sobriety verbiage, the "I'm fine, see, look how happy I am? I love my life." and even the curt nastiness towards people who express their concern -- it's all very familiar.

Kim really needs to stop hiding her stash in there.

Let's see what The Tampon (Ha!) has said about bff RumRaisin's little sister. -- Tampon would like to knock Kyle's teeth out/kick her ass. -- Kyle's a bad sister who is never there for RumRaisin and wants to see her fail/die. -- Kyle's husband doesn't want her sexually and is cheating on her. -- Kyle is a cunt and a bully. -- Other things that I'm forgetting. In RumRaisin's defense though, she didn't hear Tampon say any of those things.

Thank you, once again, SistaLadyBug, for saying what needs to be said. These bitches can't make a game out of starting shit and then act all shocked and offended when someone decides to play. I wish Lisa R hadn't gotten so involved with Kim only because Kim isn't worth it, and I'd rather she told Kim to go fuck herself than try and reason with that Hateful Raisin. But if Kim and Brandi are going to make threats and assault people then they'd better get used to getting it handed right back to them. If you throw shit in people's faces, don't be surprised when someone throws shit in your general direction. If you make threats to kick someone's ass or reveal private information, don't be surprised when someone makes threats to fuck you and/or your life up. If you push someone, don't be surprised when you get pushed, et cetera. Bullies always think they are immune from the consequences of their actions because they don't think anyone will stand up to them. Both Lisa R and Eileen have beaten those two at their own game and now all they can do is whine and complain about how "unfair" it is. And I've said this before but it bears repeating; if Kim doesn't want people all up in her business, then she shouldn't shove her business all up in other people's faces by getting high and then acting like an ass in public or, even worse, in other people's private homes. Stay in your own home and be a junkie, Kim. Be a junkie who is 100% alone with your goddamn pills and man-eating dog because no one wants to be around a hateful junkie like you. Now that people know how hateful you really are, trust that no one wants to know your business. Bon appétit, Cujo. I must have missed this show. But I did watch the one where Kim was all cracked out and followed Bad Sister Kyle into the bathroom where she admitted to relapsing on someone else's prescription medication and then, instead of leaving peacefully, walked her old wrinkled raisin ass back into Eileen's house and started shit.

Unless Kyle literally bit off one of Brooke's goddamn fingers, I don't see anything she could have done that would rival the behavior of that Hateful Rum Raisin and her Puff Pastry-faced BFF.

Thank you, Psychoticstate! The love is 100% mutual, homie. Also, thank you for correcting my diagnosis. But it's not my fault, you see. My sister stole all of my goddamn medical journals, so I couldn't become a World Famous Doctor to the Stahs and provide for my family as a single mother of five beautiful furbabies, and now I have to live in a rented van down by the river in Egypt and spend MY NIGHTS in 100% pain. Now I need to catch up on the rest of this thread, that went from 6 pages to 12 pages while I was busy having a drunken Xanaxed blackout.

I'm definitely out if Kim or Brandi return. I just don't enjoy getting all ragey after watching TV and I don't need to turn on the TV to listen to assholes arguing about stupid shit that I care nothing about. I mean, I can hear the same thing waiting in line at a customer service counter, or going to work, or sitting through Thanksgiving dinner with my family or something. Thoroughly unpleasant. Rum Raisin and her Homie need to go .

A little turtle told me that Kyle is the one who had Kim's fiancé offed. She also gave Monty the cancer that lead him to move in with Kim part time, which caused Kim to get broncpneumonia and Monty to give his 100% pain pills to her, since she was in 100% pain from having to make chicken salad with her hands for Bad Sister Kyle, who stole all of her goddamn utensils and is to blame for everything, for reasons, which is not the same thing as a relapse.

Did Kim say something about it being 8 days tonight? I swear I heard something about her being 100% hospitalized for something like 8 days and 8 nights. She was definitely lit like a Menorah during the reunion taping so who knows what she thought she was saying.

It was also defaming to Eileen's character to call her a "homewrecker". I'm not sure anyone but the people involved know what really happened and Brandi was also insinuating that it was Eileen who was 100% responsible for coming inbetween Vince and his ex-wife, not Vince for breaking up his own marriage. Brandi thinks because she read an article on the internet that she has all of the facts and can play prosecutor, judge and jury. That story was neither here nor there in relevance to Eileen's story on the show and happened so long ago that none of the emotions that usually surround infidelity are relevant anymore, either. Being the "cheated on spouse" is Brandi's only card to play so she has to keep it going. People are tired of hearing about Eddie and LeAnn so she has to create drama with other people's relationship issues by proxy in order to stay relevant and remain the victim. So far she's talked shit about Joyce and Mr. Joyce's marriage, LVP and Ken's marriage, Adrienne and Paul's marriage, Kyle and Mauricio's marriage, Lisa R and HH's marriage, Eileen and Vince's marriage, and I believe also to Taylor with regards to her and Russel's marriage.

IIRC, the "100% pain" excuse came up after Poker Night. So she wasn't displaying any symptoms because she wasn't even trying to cover up her relapse by faking an illness. Only after she got shit for her junkie behavior did she start in with the percentages of pain and Dr. Monty administering pain pills to her, etc. Didn't she have a scene or two afterwards, with Kyle and Brandi separately, where she made coughing sounds and tried to look tragic?

Okay, did anyone else want to know exactly what Rum Raisin said to Lisa R in the bathroom before they got in the limo? Because I did. I 100% Goddamn did.

I think a lot of people knew about Eileen and Vince's beginnings. I think what she meant was that it was 20-some years ago and isn't a part of their daily lives anymore -- since all of the adults get along -- and it was disruptive to their collective children to hear it being brought up by some furry-vested skank as if it were new, relevant news. I'm sure even though most of us knew about it, Eileen and Vince's 7 year old son didn't and her step-kids might not have known details or whatever. It was brought up in an attempt to hurt Eileen but it also hurt her children in the process. Something Brandi accomplishes quite often. Same with Lisa R. Lisa only brought up the porn comment after Brandi whined about being jokingly referred to as having a "trashy mom" look. Lisa even said that she took Brandi's porn comment as a joke so why can't Brandi do the same. That's when "can dish it but not take it" was said, which is true, Brandi can't handle anyone joking about her and her life, as she feels free to do to everyone else.

Oh and congrats to Brandi for realizing that antiques are, in fact, old. One of the many Brandi-isms of the night. "[Eileen's] house has antiques and figurines, and, they're ... old."

I feel like we've already been over alllllll of this bullshit from Kim and Brandi a million times already. They use the same excuses, deflections and nonsensical reasoning again and again. Kim: You should have defended me. / Stay out of my business. I didn't relapse. / I had a reason. Don't talk about me. / Let's talk about you. I said I was sorry. / Well, I'm saying I'm sorry now. Brandi: Don't talk about my kids. / Let's talk about your kids. How come you can talk about my drinking? / Let's talk about your pot use. I threw some wine because I became carried away and it was a mistake. / You smashed a wine glass because you're crazy and committed assault and battery. You have to forgive me. / You forgave Kyle.

Sorry, that was my bad. I had to rip out that page and it roll up to help snort my reasons up my nose.

This is why it was a bad idea to play one right after the other. I'm still on BH-time and can't focus on NY. It's on in the background right now but I'll have to catch the second showing to really pay attention.

I couldn't believe that canker sore was sitting there blaming Monty for her actions, yet again. She will toss anyone under the bus to escape responsibility, anyone.

Wow, Kim is starting to mock Kyle's daughter now? "Just a little bite on her finger" .... she had that nasty, mocking tone in her voice when she said that, too. Kim Richards is a terrible human being.

BRAVO needs to be responsible and put a warning on the screen before Brandi comes on, for those in the viewing audience who suffer from epilepsy or any other neurological disorder. That voice is seizure-inducing.

LOL It is really bad. Tonight makes me long for the days when her tongue was all fucked up and she couldn't really speak.