Brooke0707

Yeah, I know she said that at the reunion. It doesn't mean because she once thought her marriage was good, it applies forever. There has been nothing about her behavior this year that suggests she is trying to act like she and Apollo have the perfect marriage. It is quite the opposite. Every talking head is about how Apollo doesn't care about his kids and how she cannot get past what he did. They don't show up to events together. She did not go to court with him and support him. She doesn't act like she is happy to see him when she does, even when it is in public. Her troubles with him are public enough that Nene told a group of the women that she thought Apollo was lying about lying because he's not in a good place with Phaedra. If Cynthia and Kenya want to play dumb and ignore all of that because Phaedra once claimed to be a happily married woman, that is on them and IMO it is forced and nonsensical. It's not exactly shocking or uncommon for a marriage that was once good to sour.

I meant this year. Just because Pheadra once thought her marriage was great, doesn't mean she always has to. Pheadra has not said her marriage is great this year. All of the women know she didn't even go to court with Apollo. Cynthia and Kenya acting otherwise is total horse shit.

Cynthia and her canned lame lines are pathetic. Just because she is a spineless loser that eats up any shit Peter throws her way, doesn't mean that Pheadra needs to lovingly embrace her husband no matter what he does. What the hell does that have to do with being a southern belle (which is obviously a schtick anyways)? Plus both Cynthia and Kenya are acting like Pheadra is saying her marriage is perfect. From what I am seeing, it is the opposite. Pheadra is saying over and over that Apollo sucks and she's not pretending otherwise. Just because she isn't talking to Cynthia and Kenya about it (and why would she), doesn't mean that she is being fake. Cynthia just needs to go. She adds nothing and she is not a good actress.

I've seen them when they weren't filming.

Yes! When she did that I was like wtf? I would not like that.

Jax reminds me of Ryan Philllipe's character in Cruel Intentions except he is a total idiot and no woman on earth would transform Jax into a decent person.

Did anyone else think that the vibe between RK and EK on TTD was super awkward and strained? I could be projecting, so I would appreciate the perspective of others. Either way, I do think they should have had a co-star on with her and not the two guests they had.

Do we have any idea how much they get paid to be on the show? I'm guessing it's something, but I don't think it's much because of the shitholes they live in.

I take it that they want the message to be: there is no hope. Which, I mean, tbh, I'd probably feel like that in a ZA, but I'm watching this show for entertainment. I like darkness and gore, but I also need a little something else. A little brightness. Women different from bad ass weapon wielding women like Michonne and Carol. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy them as well, but I'd like a little variety. And no, I don't count dumbass Gabriel and Tyrese as giving me that "variety." My concern is that as they kill of the core group, they are not replacing the dead with characters I care about. Eugene, Abraham, Rosita, Gabriel, Noah, Tyrese, etc. are not the same to me as Herschel, Beth, Andrea, etc. Like they could all die and I'd be like "meh." So they can kill of the core group for the "OMG THAT SO HURTZ" factor, but if they are not replenishing the cast with people that I'm invested in and will never be invested in (I don't care if Eugene spends the rest of his days being a bad ass, I don't give a crap about him), then what does it matter? At some point, we will be left with Rick, Carl, and perhaps Daryl and a shit ton of people that I don't care about. Also, I don't get why they didn't kill her, but make her conscious for a bit (I mean, come on, Bob was rambling on for hours), so she could say her goodbyes. It was so anticlimactic. Even the camera work was weird because it was like the focus wasn't even on Beth when she died. Her final moments/motives weren't clear IMO and that is bad writing. If Scott Gimple has to give interviews or we have to watch TTD to understand something, they are just not doing their jobs. If I have to rewind shit several times to understand what happened, again, not doing their jobs (IMO). Don't make a show with the assumption that everyone has DVR. Noah shouldn't have even gone in with them. Like it's not like they needed him for his amazing ass kicking skills. Just keep him back at HQ. Wtf. Why was he there? To be like "haha Dawn, got away from you, see that?!?" Or was he there so that Rick could use him as a negotiating chess piece? In which case, Rick should have been all "Um Beth, let the negotiating chess piece do his job and let him go. We will sneak him out later." All so senseless.

I so resent that Beth 1) didn't even kill Dawn - Daryl had to do that for her and she was essentially incompetent during her last moments; and 2) she did what she did for Noah and had a moment with him - Noah of all people. Not Maggie or Daryl or someone from the core group, but some random who we were just introduced to a few episodes ago. I doubt the day will ever come where I give even the slightest shit about 90% of the newbies.

I don't remember that one off the top of my head. To me, this episode wasn't powerful and it failed. If they were going to kill her anyway without her really reuniting with the group, I think she should have been shot even before she was ushered in by Rick. Because the way it was done, it was like a quiet little reunion in the background and then she gets upset her friend is being held hostage and then she dies. IMO, if they were going to kill her (which I don't think they should have done, but that's another story), they should have either done it after a full-fledged reunion or before she so much as even touched another member of the group. The way it was done, she did reunite with the group, but not in any satisfying way (forget dialogue, the camera wasn't even focused on her reuniting with the group), which I thought lessened the impact of her death. It also lessened the impact because no one mentioned Beth's name other than Daryl for close to the last year.

I think the reason is that he is just THAT stupid.

I feel really bad for Emily Kinney on TTD. She was so upset and flustered (not in a crazy way though). I thought she was being really genuine.

I get that, but then I wish they'd give us credit that after a year, we get that Tyrese is upset about Karen dying and just loves being the same as he was before. Or that we'd figure that while Carol was gone for a day, she roamed about and was upset that she was kicked out of the group. I feel like they waste a lot of time on filler, I guess it's a question of the type of filler.

Great points. I had that problem with the names as well. I am a pretty big fan, but I really had trouble keeping straight all the different names of the officers they were throwing out. And this is really bad and I am probably a bad fan, but all that shit about Officer Hansen...I really was like "who the hell is Officer Hansen?" I know they mentioned him before, I just didn't remember his backstory. Probably because we never saw him as a character, so it's just like random names being thrown out.

I didn't like how they didn't show Beth reunite in any meaningful way with the members of the group. Like not so much as a hello.

I didn't like that either. I've noticed in the last few episodes that they skip scenes that sometimes I don't expect them to skip. For example, we didn't see Daryl tell the group that Carol and Beth had been taken. This episode, we didn't see Rick and the group figure out that Sasha had been hit by the officer. I get we don't need to see everything and it's not good for pacing, but at the same time, I feel like we see a lot of other slow scenes that I don't care about like the shit load of times that Tyrese has given some speech about being good and how hard it was to lose Karen. JMO.

Oh and can Tyrese be the next to die? Asshole knew Martin hadn't died and he was still yapping about how excited he was that he was still the same. Please die now. Thanks.

I feel bad for him, don't get me wrong. But, I feel like he's going to be all angsty and bitchy for the rest of the season because of this and I didn't want Beth to die to further Daryl's pain. Maybe not, though. Maybe they'll all forget by February. Not going to lie, I know she was unpopular around here, but I enjoyed Beth and I was really sad she died. I know she wasn't someone like Michonne, but I liked what she represented. Oh well.

Well, damn. Wtf. Noah escaped once, why didn't Beth think he could just do it again? Plus, I thought they were trying to redeem Dawn throughout the episode. Lol, I was so off.

Can someone explain how Beth died? I mean I know she was shot in the head, but it was so sudden, I didn't quite get it. What triggered it?

Well, that was really unsatisfying to me. I had a long list of people I would have rather seen die. Another MSF, another Greene dead. Bleh. If they were going to kill her, it should have been after she was established with the group. I didn't get the point besides giving Daryl something to cry about. The whole thing with Maggie was really confusing. Was she convinced off screen that Beth had died? Because I thought she just didn't give a shit.

I was entertained enough I guess during the episode, but ever since the last season, the show has been breaking up the plot/characters by episode and while I don't mind it sometimes, to do it ALL the time IMO really messes with the momentum. It's like by the time we get back to Rick and company, probably very little time will have passed in show time, but it's been several weeks so it's like "oh, Rick, Michonne, Carl, etc. have been chilling at the church for a month." I'm sure part of it is to serve the plot and because the cast is big, but it just tends to slow things down. Compare that to the first episode when basically everyone got together and it was kill kill kill. It doesn't have to be that every week, but this episode did feel like filler. It could have easily encompassed one or two segments rather than a whole show. The flashbacks, while I didn't mind them, weren't surprising. It's not like I thought that when Carol was kicked out, she went on a killing rampage while she was away from the group. The stuff they showed her doing was the kind of thing that was what I thought she was doing anyway. Basically all this episode was: "Daryl and Carol try to find Beth and figure out where she is. Carol is taken by the psycho hospital people after she is hit by car." All in all, I think the show needs to move away from the whole "let's do episodes by group" because it messes with pacing in a bad way IMO. Also, this episode confirmed to me (what I pretty much thought before) that nothing romantic will ever happen between Daryl and Carol (IMO). This episode and the way they were showing their bond couldn't have been more platonic IMO.

I thought the food was eh and overpriced. A lot of people were taking pics with Lisa, but my friend and I didn't want to disrupt her dinner. So we waited until she got up and was leaving to get one with her. She was nice enough - she was in a rush and didn't want to chit chat, but she was on her way out so... Meanwhile, Carlton just stood there and watched. I felt a little bad, lol.

I've been to Sur when there wasn't any filming. Lisa was having dinner with Carlton and her husband, Ken, and I think someone else. Katie was dressed in uniform and was waiting on tables (and was orange at the time). Peter was also there. But, that is the extent of my knowledge.