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Very likely, unfortunately.

No argument there. That pretty much describes most of Reality TV. And since I watch a few of the Housewives franchises and, 2 of the Southern Charms, I am among the swarm. My point is simply that, IMO, Kathryn's life would be just as much of a train wreck had she not been on the show. Maybe wirse without the paycheck. Blaming Andy, or Thomas or Chleb or Patricia or Danni or Naomie or Whitney or Jennifer any of the dozens of others she has blamed for her problems is exactly what Narcissists do. They are never wrong, thus never responsible for making a mistake or bad choice. She is now a 30 year old woman. She has been to rehab, I don't even know how many times. She has also lost custody of her children twice, that I know of. Second show of the season, so presumably early in filming, she shows up on National Television drunk or stoned and throws yet another tantrum. Kathryn is responsible for Kathryn. If only being allowed to have supervised visits with your own children doesn't pull you out of the mess you are in, I doubt being fired would.

He's a villain, but Kathryn was a truly troubled girl during her first season when I believe she was 21. She is a classic Narcissist and very immature. Truth is that she has changed very little, except physically, since her first season. Narcissists cannot ever accept that they do anything wrong. Losing custody if her children to a Convicted Felon did not wake her up, either time, and she is still appearing on national television drunk or stoned. Andy is evil, but he did not create the Narcissist that is Kathryn.

I think they are a couple, I just think the main attraction is the added exposure they both get. I think they probably like each other just fine and, having watched Craig for so many seasons, he may have convinced himself it's real, but I think they are essentially friends with benefits. We will see. I also think Kathryn and Chleb were a real couple while they were, but I think Kathryn was trying to prove she wasn't a racist more than anything else. But, I don't mean that I think in either case, they got together and said "let's fake a relationship for screen time."

Sad to hear that.

Well now. I have to admit I dismissed Dubai after being bored with the first episode and haven't watched since, but I think I just became a fan. It's going back on the DVR. Lisa is so desperate to remain relevant, she doesn't seem to care how despised she is. That worked for Brandi. Until it didn't.

Lost custody to a convicted Felon. Yes, I know he's rich, but he has been quite shamed in his home state, a conservative state at that. There has to be some really bad stuff there to not only lose custody, but to only be allowed supervised visits. She is worrying about spreading rumors about Jason and attacking Naomie for calling her on it when she cannot see her own children without supervision. Great priorities. Those poor, poor children.

I just don't buy Paige and Craig as a couple. They both like the spotlight, now she's on another show because she is Craig's girlfriend. I mean they probably like each other just fine, but I see no chemistry at all. And they live in different states and seem fine with that. Others here are saying Auten and Olivia are also a fake couple, which also makes sense. If true it improves my opinion of Olivia. Better just a famewhore than another very attractive woman actually interested in that loser. He is still obsessed with Madison and I do agree, first time I saw her I thought she was stunning. Problem with Madison is once you get a glimpse of her personality she just gets uglier. Does seem Pringle was smart enough to back off after he saw her nasty, vile personality directed at others. Austen is just stupid, among his other flaws

Erika is just mean. Period.

Even if it was lack of ambition, I didn't blame her. I am not a big Naomie fan, but she did not deserve to be invited to Kathryn's party and then attacked. Naomie has bad taste in men, Kathryn is a Train Wreck.

He was a Doctor. Honestly, I would have been just as awful with Craig. As I said before, if you have never been involved with a guy like that, it may look better than it is. Been there, done that. I recall coming home from a full day at work to Peter Pan on the couch watching some stupid rerun he had watched 100 times and dishes he had left in the sink. Because putting them in the Dihwasher would have required bending? But, I digress. I think Naomie was dazzled by the fact that she thought she snagged a grown up. Tool that he is. It was clear in his very few appearances that she had just gone from one toxic relationship to another, just a different kind of toxic. I am always disgusted by accomplished women that think they need a man to be complete, although I get the whole biological clock dilemma. Naomie has bad taste in men.

Do you blame them?😀

If the LLC was set up to save on taxes, which is what is being alleged, they were showing a loss, so no taxes would have been due at the time of filing. Whenever it was that they were audited would have been when the IRS and/or State would have demanded the money. Cheating on your taxes will save you money, provided you don't get caught. She got caught.

Overdone and tacky pretty much sums up Katherine overall. I gave Austen's date a pass on the 20's outfit because she wasn't invited directly-his date-and maybe didn't realize how "20's" it was meant to be. No pass on continuing to date loser Austen though. Paige was the best dressed, IMO. As for Danni, women like her are really hard for me to take. She seemed like a constant doormat until she finally gained a little backbone with Katherine. But, if I recall correctly, she caved again in the end. I cannot fathom why anyone would want to be friends with Katherine. Katherine IMO, has no friends, she has people she uses when it's convenient for her. She is also a constant train wreck. The way she treated Jennifer was disgusting. Cameron and Patricia were 200% spot on about her. I assume they, especially Cameron, were pushed by production to make nice during the Katherine redemption seasons. Thing is, she was never redeemed, she was treating people horribly then, it's just that Thomas managed to find someone even more outwardly crazy than Katherine. Ashley almost made Katherine look normal, but she is not. She is a seriously messed up grown woman. Naomie is not, and never has been, a favorite, but she did not deserve to be invited to a party to be attacked by a crazy bitch with lipstick all over her face for defending a friend. If someone put a rumor like that out there about any of my friends, I would have been furious too. Of course Kathryn doesn't get that, she'll doesn't have real friendship. Narcissistic, selfish child.

She seemed pretty set on Thomas too, in spite of sleeping with both Shep and Whitney. Did she also sleep with Craig? I can't recall. At any rate, both Shep and Whitney have money, so there was something that made her focus on Thomas. Or maybe he was the oy one dumb enough not to use protection.

Same, my favorite BRAVO show ever, the first couple of seasons. I still enjoy the scenery and the houses. Still like Patricia, but I miss Michael. Sigh, it us just not the same, but I am in. I made it through RHONJ, so this is at least an improvement on that.

To be fair, it's Kathryn. Did production encourage a confrontation, sure, most likely. But, it's not like it would take much. Look back at all the scenes she has caused. She is a narcissist and Drama Queen. She was planning for a fight all the time she was babbling about "a clean slate". I just do not get why the guys continue to coddle her. Not sure what to make of the boyfriend. Still haven't decided on him or Olivia. At this point, I wonder if these new hook ups are based on a real attraction or someone just wanting to get on TV. Jury still out on Venita as well. That was my grandmother's name, only she spelled it Vinita, very unusual name. As for Craig and Paige, I think that is a true TV only romance. There is zero chemistry there and sure, they are doing great with their long distance romance, because neither one really gives a damn what the other does. Totally not buying that one.

They were vile to each other at the reunion, and the last couple of episodes of last season, which I watched yesterday before the Premiere. Madison is a nasty piece of work but Austen is a complete waste of space. Chelsea lost me when she started seeing him. I get that Craig is really handsome and Shep has significant family money, but Austen? Why?

I watched the marathon leading up to this, so not many surprises. Kathryn is, and clearly always will be, a complete train wreck. The boys and Danni continue to coddle her, I don't know why. While I am glad for Craig's success, because I just can't hate him, he was quite a troublemaker in previous seasons, dolling out relationship and other, advice like a guy that had his life under control. I am pretty meh on him and Naomie. Yeah, she was bitchy and critical, but if you have never been involved with a lazy, Peter Pan type, you cannot know how annoying and frustrating it is. Been there, done that, decades ago, but I still remember. Those guys are often charming and handsome. It's not enough. Shep is a Peter Pan, but he has the family money to pull it off. Some women won't mind as long as the money is there. Shep can also be charming when he isn't being a spoiled child. Austen is a loser. Period, end of statement. Madison is a horrible human being, but she was smart to get away from Austen. I don't much care for Pringle, but can't really put my finger on why. Maybe I will figure it out this season or maybe I will change my mind, who knows? We will see how the season goes, but I am glad it's back. The show will never be as good as it was the first 2 seasons when it was my favorite BRAVO show, but I am in, at least for now. I could never get into RHOM or RHOA, so this, and Beverly Hills, are the only shows I watch on BRAVO these days.

I think this actually started that way. It was one if the things I liked about it. Except Kayhryn, of course, she wasn't a friend, but the original cast seemed like they really were.

I hope they watch the show.

Kathryn is, and it appears always will be, A Hot Mess. Those poor children. The chaos they have experienced in their short lives is heartbreaking. Sadly, too many children grow up with such self indulgent, useless parents.

I am totally bored. How many shows are they going to do about Crystal's feelings? I am here to watch Erika taken down.

I got to where I could not stand Eboni because it seemed to be her only reason to be on the show and she lectured instead of discussed. Garcelle has addressed race but, IMO, she has done it organically. Something in the conversation comes up and she may allude to it, and share information or her own experience. I would say the same with Chrystal, I have no problem with her sharing her experiences. Eboni turned people off with her manner and she had that vile, idiot Leah egging her on. Although I watched Eboni on the view once and didn't like her there either. Came a cross preachy and condescending. Also Garcelle has a sense of humor. My favorite line last season was when Kathy wasn't wearing her glasses and said to Garcelle "I thought you were Kyle". Without missing a beat Garcelle said "I get that ALL the time."