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Maraleia, yes so much yes to your post! The terminology is constantly changing and I feel like it really has evolved in the last couple of years now that the world is slowly becoming more accepting (off topic, but I visited Pulse last weekend and it broke my heart). I'm going to have to do some reading to brush up because I hate to admit that it wasn't until I read it on these forums that I found out what cis meant or pansexual... Or not to add an s to transgender. I'm sure there's still a lot more to learn so shows like this do serve a purpose in educating some time. But I am getting way to off topic, I agree on the family dynamic changing. Honestly, I want Jazz to step back from the limelight and concentrate on high school because that's hard enough without it playing out on tv. Come back and give us a special on her high school graduation and I'm happy. She's such a sweet, mature and intelligent girl and I don't want her tarnished by reality tv.

Thanks! I had no idea, how embarrassing. Love teaching and being taught ;)

Oh don't get me wrong, I'll probably hate watch that show until it sinks. And it'll sink very early on because ZoloftBlob is 100% correct. They lack the freak show status of the Duggars. Look at Oddj throwing back drink after drink in every episode, that'll lose the uber religious crowd in a heartbeat. Speaking of monotone Jeremy, I glimpsed at their instagram pages and couldn't help but notice that pretty much every other post is about how in luuuv they are with each other. From my experience, pretty much every couple I've met who is constantly reminding others how in love they are, never really are. It's usually the people who are in love with the idea of love. My best friend and his ex were exactly like this, every single instagram post was about how happy they were and "wifey" this and "hubby" that. Then, one day, completely out of nowhere, they broke up after 5 years. These people never work out, mark my words, Jerk and Oddj will not "beat 50%." The end might not come for another 20 years, but it will come.

Does this mean that a spin off is possible for them? Jeez TLC, talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Judging by the crickets in these message boards, I'm going to be extremely surprised if this show comes back for another season. Especially with the twins going on to college, not that the show focuses on them, but it's going to drastically change the family dynamic. A few notes on this episode: 1. It has been said already, but I still can't get over the mom being so pushy with Jazz and the relationship. Encouraging her to kiss on the first date? Encouraging pursuing a relationship because he's there and accepts Jazz and there may not be another guy in high school who does? I didn't go on a single date in high school, but beware world when I got to college because I became a hardcore serial dater. Some of us are just late bloomers and there's nothing wrong with that! Reminds me of how pushy my mom was to get me out in the dating world at that age and it just makes me uncomfortable to watch. And then encouraging the twins to party in college because she was a party animal who woke up in a pizza box one day? I just feel like she's one of those moms who is trying to hard to be cool and relevant in her kids eyes. 2. As a Miami native, I am so disappointed in this show for promoting Miami Seaquarium. They are notorious for their structure violations and animal abuse (see Free Lolita on YouTube). For a family so for human rights and equality, I would hope that this open mindedness and kindness would branch out to the animal world as well. I know supporting the lgbt community isn't expected to go hand in hand with fighting for animal rights, but I'm sure they can at least see some kind of correlation. 3. Noelle took Jazz to my favorite donut shop! It's called Mojo Donuts and it is amazing and now I need a donut from there, but they're like an hour drive from me. To see that they support transgenders using the bathrooms of their choice makes them that much more awesome ✊?

Jeremy is in for a rude awakening. Sometimes I forget he's the same age as me because he's just so immature about how life works. Most our age have had such different experiences, going to college, not going to college and joining the work field, starting families, etc. Seeing him on screen it's like he never escaped that teenage phase that most (but not all) of us go through where we expect the world handed to us on a silver platter, and then life after high school slaps us in the face.

I see Jeremy holding h&m bags. I wonder if he bought a few outfits for his bride to be, sure knows she needs them. Or maybe spending spree from the People payout? I guess to them that's a step up from Goodwill.

I think most pet owners know their limits. Also, I agree that Tori is actually making it harder on Sully by creating this kind of dependence. My dog loved coming with me anywhere I went, but, realistically he couldn't come to most places and my dog knew it because when he saw me doing my "going out" ritual, he wouldn't flinge unless he saw me physically grabbing his leash or saying the magic "let's go" words. And sure enough, cue the excitement and jumping around and following me at the heels until we were out of the house. But if I left without him because...You know...Life, school, work, shopping, he would just snooze away in a corner without even saying bye to me. We had boundaries and he knew it. I wonder if Sully has those same boundaries. Like someone mentioned above, from the time he scratched Jerk's door, I'm going to go ahead and agree that those are from separation anxiety issues.

Ok I'm on my phone and having a hard time with quotes (or maybe I'm just pulling an Oddj and had to much to drink), but Zoloft, your previous post was spot on. Jeremy is used to being pampered and praised for being the golden child and in his mind, now he can do no wrong. In reality, all he is is a huge hipster, selfish brat. He was a brat for not being in Tori's surprise party, a brat for not attending Molly's graduation and a brat for not being there for Matt during his surgery, and that's just what we've seen in the last two episodes. He seems to have found his selfish other half in Oddj though and that's the closest I'll get to giving that pair a compliment. On the other hand, I've said this before and I'll say it again, but, even though Zach is definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed, at least he tries and he can recognize his flaws or what's important. And Tori also brings that out in him even more so I won't snark on them...Much. That being said, MegD, you mentioned Sully accompanying them on the road trip and I noticed the same. Ok let me do a disclaimer here, I had a dog for 14 years who was my best friend, my companion and just overall the love of my life. That dog passed away last year and I was heart broken and devastated beyond words. However (huge however), I knew my limits with that dog. I knew that even though he meant everything to me, he was a dog and not everyone would feel as excited as me to have a big, hairy, sloberly, clumsy dog stampeding around after me. If I went to visit friends or family for the weekend, I left him behind. I feel like Tori's relationship with that dog is borderline obsessive. Ok and now I feel bad for mentioning this because I really can't hate on someone who clearly has such strong love for their dog. Also...Sully is definitely my favorite Roloff. And I think he has way better hair than Oddj and Jerk (hope they read this!).

Did anyone else notice that Jacob was there in the Molly announcement scene but was hidden from the camera in the most bizarre way? The only reason I even noticed is because I recognized his girlfriend from social media and she was sitting right next to Amy. Right next to her was someone behind the most strategically placed flowers in reality tv history and wearing a hoodie. I had to rewind and check, but I'm sure it was him. Interesting how his girlfriend was front and center though (although she didn't say a word). I wonder how hard it must be for him to want to take part in these big family moments (if I recall, him and Molly were close as kids), yet the conflict of having to put up with the much despised TLC cameras. I kind of respect the way he goes about it ✊? Oddj and Jerk on the other hand ?. Really? They couldn't make it to Molly's college graduation because of an important speaking arrangement? Oddj couldn't have attended that alone and Jerk go to the graduation? Kind of a Jerk move on his party, once again his nickname suits him perfectly.

I concur with the previous comments, all I can concentrate on is the hideous outfit Jinger is wearing. You know things are bad when she's considered the "fashionable" one in the family, I've always thought she had the tackiest taste. I remember a few years ago she went through an ugly hat phase. She's really taking conservative wear to an extreme. I mean a floor length maxi dress? Really? I don't know anyone who can pull that off without looking matronly. I'm about as tall as her (meaning not tall at all) and I shrink about a foot in any dress that goes past my calves. And then topping it off with that abomination of a sweater like if the five foot long dress doesn't cover enough skin? Not that Jeremy's outfit is fabulous...Well except for that shirt, if you catch my drift.

No, I think that was an old video.

1. On the Marjorie and Josiah video: Good grief that was an awkward courtship announcement, but Marjorie was more than ready to take over the reins of the show, she had the "just wait and find out" teaser down pat. She would have definitely been the one to wear the metaphorical"pants" in the relationship with Josiah. Smuggar looked extra roly poly and pasty. I wonder how she feels about him for ruining her chance at "stardom." I will say she seems to have a little more personality than any other Duggar. Also, dating with a purpose? Sorry to tell you, but when I date, I definitely have a purpose. Companionship, someone to go to the movies with, entertainment, sex (guilty ?? and no regrets), marriage, the list goes on, but I have never met anyone who doesn't have a purpose. I wonder how many other failed courtships there have been in this family. 2. The Duggars making a video on vegetables is the biggest internet FU yet! Of course none of these kids can handle a knife, but I'm sure they're all experts with that can opener.

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Just watched the episode. It was kind of underwhelming, not that tlc shows usually aren't. However, it just felt like they were grasping at straws. I mostly felt it in the scene with Zach trying to plan Tori's party and her taking forever to get off the farm so he could resume. I was so tempted to fast forward. Also, bless their little souls, Zach and Tori really do seem to love each other and I prefer them over Jerk and Oddj on my screen, but (beware of snark coming) I honestly don't know what she sees in Zach. Granted, I don't know him in person and I promise it's not about looks because Jerk doesn't even warrant a comment from me and I couldn't say no to Peter Dinklage if he asked me out (Peter if you're out they, dm me!) but...He just seems to...not be the sharpest tool in the shed? The whole scene where he thought the surprise party would be her present and then Amy telling him to get her earrings and his response being that she'll notice the bank statement just reminded me of conversations I would have had as a teenager.

I'm already bored with this courtship and it just started. Are they really saving all the good stuff for the next season? Where are the triple date pictures at the putt putt course with Dim and J'chelle and Ben and Blessa dry humping behind them? Or pictures of them sharing a milkshake. Or is that too much exchange of saliva without being married? I can't believe I'm saying this, but Jill and Jessa's courtships had more going for them by this time and Ben and Derrick are both snoozefests compared to Jeremy. Not to mention that Dill and Blessa are two of my least favorite Duggars, while I've always loved me some Jinger. Jeremy looks like he has more skeletons...purple beads?... In his closet. I wonder how Jinger feels about all of this. I hope her mental state is ok. Must be nerve wrecking knowing that probably this time next year you'll be knocked up with a little Jlessing. She's always seemed to me like one of the older girls who isn't crazy about kids. She doesn't seem as nurturing as Jana or Jill. At least she's not as bad as Jessa, who is surprisingly a much more hands on mom than I thought she would be, but that's not a topic for here.

I would like to see if Amy and the Klein-Arnolds interacted.

Please tell me that this episode does not mean that TLC has a spinoff planned for Oddj. I see it now, making hipster wedding dreams come true while giving out endless marriage advice ?. There's not enough eyeroll emojis to describe my feelings right now. I rarely use the fast forward button, but TLC gave me no choice with that tonight. Hey network powers that be: more Zach and Tori, less lazy hipsters.

Is it my screen or is Josiah rocking a pencil mustache ala a villain in a 1920s silent movie? Anna doesn't look to preggers, but that's probably since she's so conviniently holding her bouquet right infront of her would be belly. Poor Jordyn seems to be crying her eyes out and no one cares, story of her life. Jill must have spent hours on pinterest planning this thing. Their internet access must not be as limited as they claim. In the "how we met" page of Jill and Derrick's wedding page, Jill pretty much admits she facebook stalked Derrick before their courtship.