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Television Vs. Book: Why'd They Make [Spoiler] Such A [Spoiler]?
Oscirus replied to yellowfred's topic in Game Of Thrones
For what? Jon already has a valyrian sword and Brienne's one of the best fighters in westeros. If anything, oathkeeper's right where it needs to be. My problem with this theory is that storywise, it seems like a big waste to spend five seasons building up Stannis's claim to the throne just to have him killed by the Boltons. He feels more important to the main storyline then that. Considering that he has two open storylines ( Walda's baby, Sansa's escape) and only two episodes left, it seems very doubtful that he dies this season. I don't see Littlefinger ever getting what he wants from Sansa. That ship sailed the moment he left her in Winterfell to fend for herself. -
You bring up a good point. But still I doubt they'd fight with Dany to legitimatize Dany's hold on the throne when at the moment, they're about to get married to the person who is second in line to the throne. As for Tyrion and his lack of kids, I'd agree with point one. You have a lot of moon tea drinking prostitutes having sex with Tyrion. I can't imagine that having a kid with a king or a prince wouldn't seem appealing on the surface. Tyrion has no such title and he has the dwarf stigma going against him as well.
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I assume the incest is a case of their piling on charges. Just because other people are doing it doesn't mean that its not illegal. I get how Tyrion got most of his info. But how did he know that Dany hated Hizdar? Also what's the timeline on this episode? Unless Dany kept Jorah and Tyrion jailed for a bit, It would appear at worst it would be one day from the last episode yet the fact that Kevan made a trip from Castle Rock to Kings Landing and is already running the king's council says otherwise.
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What a big fail that speculation was. I didn't think that would happen but it was fun thinking outside of the box. I guess that D and D really don't care about the non Cersei portion of King's landing. That would lend credence to his conversation with Tyrion about how men like them don't like staying inside the box. If anything, tonight showed us that Tyrion knows what has to be done in order to be a good king, but he just has to be willing to accept the responsibilities. So the Ramsey with twenty men plan is interesting and quite frightening. Ramsey's way of teaching people lessons is to flay them. I suspect that whatever Ramsey has planned for Stannis will be successful so, yea, yikes. It bugs me that this story is over halfway done and I still can't figure out where Arya fits in the endgame.
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Why else would Varys bring up hiding from her dragons? He didn't directly say it, but he pretty much implied it.
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You think that the Martells would help the Targeryans who didn't send Elia and her kids to safety so that they could force the Martells to fight for them? But yea, Tyrion definitely should've had at least noted their presence in his speech. Also did the writers forget that Varys bought up defeating Dany and her evil dragons in season 2 to Tyrion without his even asking about her? I'll just hand wave that I reckon.
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I think Dany's test was seeing how he'd handle the Jorah situation. If he told her to kill Jorah, then he's a brown noser and not worth her time, if he told her to take Jorah back then he's not really advising her. I think he provided the perfect balance. He saved Jorah's life and he advised her to her best interests. There was also the fact that he addressed her as an actual person and not as some person to be revered for her name. I thought their second scene together where they bonded over terrible fathers and what not was quite well done. Also, given what he's been through, it's crazy that this is the first time in the series that Tyrion gets to give advise to a person who will respect it ( I guess there was Jon at the beginning and the Blackwater war, but those amounted to like 3(?) episodes total). I also like that even though Dany knows that she's doing great things that above all else, she wants to go home. So it's looking like Sansa will be the one to reunite the Starks. Going into speculation, I suspect that Sansa meets up with Stannis and tells him about her brothers which will lead to his sending Davos on that mission. Though I do wonder why Jon didn't tell Stannis about them since he knows they're alive. To enter into the debate of whether or not Theon was like a brother to the Starks. Ultimately, Ned's sins aren't his kids' sins. They treated and loved him like a brother so for him not to return said love is a bit of a betrayal. I have a feeling that whatever Ramsey does to the Stannises is going to be bad. Hopefully it's not something as heinous as kidnapping and flaying you know who. But I suspect it will hurt Stannis regardless of what he does. Arya's story is so boring. People complain about Dorne, but at least stuff happens there. So the show just pretty much confirmed a lot with regards to the wall portion. Sam just accidentally advised Olly to stab the shit out of Jon. Which is advise that I'm sure that Olly is going to gladly follow. Jon is most likely the AA and the sword that he received from Mormont is likely the lightbringer. That thrashing that Jon and company received officially marked the white walkers as the biggest threat on the show. Also, they switched up on us. Normally the ninth episode is the biggest episode of the season.
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Time to have some fun. Sadly, I think that Stannis is burning the shit out of his daughter. The only way that episode 4 scene with her makes sense is if he betrays her. Otherwise that scene was indulgent. Ollie is stabbing the shit out of Jon. Dude is dirty eyeballing the crap out of Jon every chance he gets. For some reason I'm thinking that Dany leaves Mereen by hopping on her dragon, and Tyrion takes over for her while she's gone. Going a bit into season 6 spec, I suspect he'll do a better job then her and that will be the start of a rift between the two of them. Now for some spec that's very unlikely to happen but is still fun to think about. What if lady Oleanna takes over Kevan's storyline from the book? It would make sense if Tommen was the young boy that Littlefinger was referring to. Plus it would be an interesting power play to have Oleanna running the country through Tommen while Cersei's in jail. And in even crazier speculation what if her killer turns out to be Littlefinger instead of Varys? It causes the chaos that Littlefinger thrives on and it gets rid of his only co-conspirator to Joffrey's murder.
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I'd assume that if we're getting a stonehart appearance that we'd at least get something from the brotherhood without banners this season. Or at the very least a hint that Arya's wolf is still out there doing it's thing.
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If that really Is Euron, that would debunk the Euron=Dario theory that's been floating around.
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I was too distracted with the question of whether or not that they just foreshadowed Gilly's death. And if she does die, how will that affect Sam and his night watch vows? I will give the writers credit for making that scene so ... unsexy.
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Television Vs. Book: Why'd They Make [Spoiler] Such A [Spoiler]?
Oscirus replied to yellowfred's topic in Game Of Thrones
If Oleana withholds food, I don't see how the crowd won't turn on her and the Tyrells. I'd assume that the peasants view the arrest of Margery for lying for her gay brother as "rich people problems." It's strange watching someone who is supposed to be as wise as the queen of Thorns flail around with toothless threats. Oh my god, the Cersei walk of shame is going to inspire so many essays of misogyny on tv it's going to get boring. I'd imagine that the point of the walk of shame was to go too far so that some sympathy could be drummed up for Cersei in the books. On the tv show, they wouldn't have that problem, but I can't imagine the writers being allowed to ignore such an iconic scene. -
Television Vs. Book: Why'd They Make [Spoiler] Such A [Spoiler]?
Oscirus replied to yellowfred's topic in Game Of Thrones
I suspect the big bad villains will likely go in an order somewhat like this- Boltons- Cersei-Littlefinger-Whitewalkers. My wild out there theory of the day is that somehow Little finger will gain enough influence to convince Dany to marry him once she sits on the throne, thereby allowing Littlefinger to reach his ultimate goal. Which is how he reaches his goal of becoming king. Yea, I doubt it too, but speculating is fun. -
I Actually she went to Dorne in season two after Tyrion outted Pycelle as a mole. She should probably thank her lucky stars that Varys wasn't the mole, otherwise she'd be married to Reek/ in Ramsey's orbit at the moment. What language was the fortune teller that Tyrion saw, speaking? I'm not being a smart ass with that question. I legit don't know. This stuff about Sansa regressing is strange to me. I get that people don't like seeing Sansa play a victim, but unlike Brienne or even Arya, she has no way of defending herself. If you're a woman and not royalty which the starks haven't been since season one, not trained to fight, and you're raised the way Sansa was, you're liable to be a victim. I know there's a desire to see Sansa fight back and avoid all the nastiness but realistically, what can she really do? She's playing the game the best way she can. I actually think she's playing a good game. For all this talk about the writers not liking Sansa, she's easily had the most time spent on her story this year, the all important Theon transformation is focused on whether or not she can cause it to happen. In many ways, she's a very intriguing character. A girl who is raised to be royalty who loses everything and gets stripped to the bone. Yet despite this, she won't stop fighting. What's more compelling then that?
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Television Vs. Book: Why'd They Make [Spoiler] Such A [Spoiler]?
Oscirus replied to yellowfred's topic in Game Of Thrones
To me, the show's been working towards making Sansa the queen. Hell one of the less talked about parts about Blackwater (as far as I've seen) is her flawlessly taking over Cersei's queen duties until she was pulled away. The difference between this predicament and her king's landing one is that she doesn't have anybody to protect her here. In their own, rapey way, the writers are giving Sansa her heroic moment by having her answer the perpetual "locked door mystery." How is she going to get out when the only key seems to be the one around Ramsey's neck? At the moment she's playing two separate games. The first is playing on Theon's guilt to try and get him to help her and the second is to get into Ramsey's ear and ramp up his insecurities. Also the big difference between this storyline and Jeyne Poole's is that she's the one who will wind up influencing Theon's return, not her predicament. The only thing that actually bothers me is the lack of Kevan. We have three episodes left, I don't see how he's going to have the time to fix all of Cersei's messes and get killed for his competence by the time the finale rolls around. -
Interesting episode. Littlefinger's plan becomes clearer. Create chaos in kings landing and pit the two most powerful houses against one another and use the chaos to bring himself further up the ladder. In this case, warden of the north. I totally misread the Sansa scenes, I figured they were going to go one way and they completely went another. I don't know if that's a good thing or not. I believe that tonight is going to begin the transformation of Reek back to Theon. I think Sansa calling Ramsey a bastard was her way of trying to start a civil war between father and son not insult him. It will be interesting to see how her newfound weapon comes into play. I assume that Ramsey is going to catch a surprise on his next nightly visit. Ignoring how the scene contradicts their earlier bit of wisdom about Tysha, I understood why the Sam Tilly sex scene happened. Given the house that she grew up in, it's not surprising that the only way she could think of rewarding Sam was with sex. I really can't be bothered to care about Cersei's downfall. I guess it's good that she got her comeuppance. But eh. Also, the sparrow scenes are getting tedious. The Dorne scenes were eh but the piggish male in me says that he loved the jail scene. I wonder why. I wonder if the most beautiful woman in the world becomes Bronn's love interest. I understand why Myrcella didn't want to go back with Jamie. They pretty much sent her away and now they expect her to come back with them on command? I probably wouldn't go back with them either. I guess the real big news is that Dany and Jorah finally met up. It's going to be interesting to see how he works under her leadership. Also I can't help but to have a niggling doubt in my head that loverboy is going to betray Dany sometime in the near future. Overall, I liked this episode.
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To be fair, Tyrion was indicted and almost convicted for murder based solely on a knife that may or may not have been his. There weren't even any witnesses for that trial.
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Yea there are somethings in the book that Tyrion wouldn't be able to overcome if he did them on the show. For example, I doubt he could recover from molesting young Sansa on their wedding night before ultimately turning her down. In a world like this your tertiary protagonist can be complex but he shouldn't be gray enough to the point where he's closer to black. In all of the controversy, there were some big developments missed. Coconspirators Oleana and Littlefinger are now together in the same place and Oleana once again has a reason to be mad at the Lannisters. I doubt that Littlefinger won't find a way to manipulate that to his advantage. Arya just had her first kill that wasn't in self defense. And we just saw the beginning of the spread on the grey scale virus. I'm also pretty sure that Jorah gave his "I'm going to die speech." If we couple that with the worry over Bronn's wounds, that could be the four deaths not in the books that Martin hinted at. On a stranger note, Adebesi would debut on this episode.
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I would hope so since it has a female protagonist. I'd say this show has the exact opposite problem of Flash as the males on this show only seem to exist to either help her or for her to prove them wrong when they say something misogynistic. I'm assuming they'll fix the music by the time it comes out because it very nearly pulled me out of the episode. Not a bad pilot lets see how they build on it. There was definitely a feminist theme throughout this episode but they didn't have to be so ham-fisted with it. Girls bow before me? Could that bit of dialogue been any more cliché? Onto the characters. Kara was fine, I'm sure the acting will improve as the series continues but for now she's alright. I think Alex has the chance to be my favorite character. Her arc as the over achiever desperately trying to prove herself was intriguing. Wynn eh I guess he'll be the Cisco/Felicity of this show. The actor needs to find a way to make the character his own. James, the actor bought a sense of cool to the proceedings but he merely existed to move the plot along whenever Kara got into trouble. Also if you want me to take him seriously, do away with the big brother vibe, quickly. I'll withhold judgment on Hank until he gets more time. But if he continues to serve as a device to be proven wrong when he talks about things girls can't do, that will get old, quickly. It's definitely being added to my Monday must watch lineup.
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You have to figure that they were likely watching her pretty heavily as soon as she arrived there. Getting married at least temporarily gives her some breathing space since I'd assume that they wouldn't take her as seriously once they have what they want from her. It's also likely that she underestimated Ramsey's depravity until it was too late.
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Puts her back in winterfell and if she's good enough, she could be able to start an uprising that would unseat the Boltons.
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Yea, but he also commented on the fact that the old maester screwed over the previous hands of the king. Cersei loyalists are not Tyrion loyalists. Which is why his first mission was to remove all the moles/people who he thinks would betray him. If Tyrion thought he had anything to worry about, Little finger would've been removed. Littlefinger also appears to get off on humiliating Stark women. Hence his hiding Catelyn in a whorehouse ( I refuse to believe that LF didn't know of a better place to hide her), his trying to kiss Cate in the middle of the war in the tent, his purposely kissing Sansa in front of Lysa. Maybe I'm overthinking this but I really do think that psychologically, he tries to bring these women down to his level.
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The old maester was a Lannister loyalist and Tyrion had no problem removing him.
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How exactly is a slavery where if they run across the wrong person that Tyrion will get killed and castrated a merry escapade? As for Littlefinger, so far, since she's been in his care, she's been almost killed, repeatedly kissed by that slimy snake and left to fend for herself. Hell, she practically told him if he left her there that she would be raped and he responded with one of his slimy kisses. I believe that she's pretty much over him now. Especially once she realizes that she doesn't need him. If Tyrion would've known then he would've cleared LIttlefinger off the counsel when he was the hand. His first order of business as the hand was to remove everybody that betrayed the previous two hands. But yea, no idea why Varys kept that tidbit to himself.
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Or maybe the writers need to stop going to that well so often that the audience gets desensitized to it in the fictional world that the writers created. Just because the audience is desensitized to it's use in Game of Thrones doesn't mean they're desensitized to it in the real world. I'm really getting tired of the whole theme that this show has where women literally have to get raped to get power on this show. Also if the intent of the story was to turn Ramsey into more of a villain then that's just silly. Dude is flaying people alive, if people didn't hate him at that point then they were never going to hate him. That being said, I'm more pissed at the fact that the writers made that the climax of the episode then I am that it actually happened. Mostly because I expected it once the show decided to deliver Sansa to the Boltons. I also realize that the seasons theme is kill the boy/girl and all the main characters have gone through that moment. Tyrion learning to rely on himself, Dany learning how to rule, Jon learning to trust himself and his decisions, Arya finally realizing that being a faceless person isn't fun and games, Cersei finally getting to become the ruler that she's always wanted to be, Jaime deciding to be a father. They just took Sansa's moment (realizing that she's going to have to rely on herself) to the extreme. Finally, for all this talk about what happened to Sansa which is horrendous, we also have another character solely being kept alive for his penis. Just saying.