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I can't fucking wait for Deacon to be there to once again pick up the pieces of Brooke's broken heart.
I definitely wouldn't mind a Brooke/Deacon reunion. The actors have chemistry. But I fear this is all just heavy handed set-up by the writers to send TK on his leave (not that I don't believe Ridge is a jerk - he is but this seems overboard even for him). Now I'd prefer a recast instead of him coming back but apparently that isn't going to happen, so when Ridge returns? Suddenly Deacon will be up to something criminal or whatever. Thus paving the way for yet another Bridge reconciliation.
I mean the writers had Bill become obsessed with a building of all things to take him from Brooke. Skye! Skye! So it begs the question what ridiculousness will the writers pick for Deacon?!?
My preference is a total Bridge destruction and this current storyline LOOKS like that is a go but I don't trust these writers one bit. Because no matter what, no matter the situation, no matter the circumstances .... Bridge never seems to go away. Ever.
Current Ridge and Brooke have no chemistry. Like none. And yet? The folks in charge don't seem to see that or care. Unfortunately.
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All the girl wants to do is get to know her father. Her real father. Not the father of lore and legend, but the man himself. She is not moving him into her home, or asking anyone to sit down to dinner with him, or to hang out with him. She just wants to spend time with him on her own to understand him better and try and build a relationship
Exactly this. And now we've gone from endless conversations about Eric's non-working equipment to endless conversations about how Deacon is evil and will let Hope down. I'm not saying I miss the Eric conversations, just pointing out the one-mindedness of this show. It's ridiculous. We spent months concerned about Eric and Quinn and now ... what of it?
Regardless, so what if Deacon is a screw up and so what if he lets Hope down? I'm not saying he will, just saying what if he does? So what! She'll pick herself up, dust herself off and move on. We all do it in various ways over the course of our lives! As if Liam hasn't let Hope down like a billion times already. Lawd. I will never understand this need to infantilize Hope.
QuoteI am also steamed that it looks like they are putting the kibosh on Carter and Katie. And for what? To have another man chasing Paris?
I will be disappointed if they do this too which of course means they will. This whole Paris is the most wonderful wonder of the world is stupid. You want the audience to believe that, why not show it rather than just forcing every character around her to sing her praises? Aside from Carter being too old for her, she already has 2 guys chasing her around ... does she really need a third?
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For the life of me, I do not understand how Brooke's choice to betray Bridget by having an affair with Deacon somehow means that Hope can never have a relationship with her dad. It was Brooke's darkest hour because of her own horrid actions, not because Deacon in anyway forced her.
Exactly. None of this makes one bit of sense. You'd think professional writers could manage to come up with a more logical reason for these characters to be opposed to Hope's relationship with Deacon. It's just dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
QuoteWhat he cares about is that Deacon is the man Brooke couldn't say no to even though it was the worst betrayal of her life. Ridge knows that Deacon had a power over Brooke, and what he is trying to prevent is Brooke rediscovering that soft spot.
Of course! Brooke and Ridge have been together for years now and he has to act like a child over an ex. Just wait until Taylor rolls back into town and Ridge starts paying attention to her. Then it will be Brooke's turn to act like a child. These are adult characters - way adult characters and the writers have them acting like children. As usual.
I find it exhausting and not very entertaining. Although if new!Taylor and this Ridge have chemistry maybe this would finally be the end of Bridge. That would be awesome. Brooke and Deacon would be pretty appealing too as the actors still have chemistry.
QuoteOh, and Liam and Steffy can fuck the hell right off too.
I wish I could like this a million times.
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Sam and Dante are having Thanksgiving together, and talking about how their families 'blend'... Have they gone on a date?
Of course not but to be fair - do 'couples' ever date on soaps?
QuoteThat scene did show a slightly kinder and gentler Sonny. Maybe they are trying to gradually show that his time as mike has started to creep into Sonny's personality?
Perhaps. And that would be a story worth exploring. Not only for the Nina/Carly stuff but also for his moobster business. I mean shouldn't kinder Mike personality start to conflict with the whole mob thing? I just wish MB was a better actor. Sorry but I think he's terrible.
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Honestly. the only way reason I can see why she hasn't said anything is because it's basically a weapon. Nina feels guilty and what not for the damage she caused and using it as a weapon will basically just continue to have her be the villain. Part of the reason why Nina is basically taking all her lumps is because that's what Phylis said to do before they left Nixon Falls (like make amends, take the hits, and deal with it). I also feel she's playing possum so that if Michael cools down, she can see Wiley again.
Yeah I do get that and agree but the thing is Carly and Michael are treating her like a villain now any way. Plus this is a soap opera or at least allegedly it is, and it feels like the writers don't know this.
I mean whether one actually wanted Carly and Jason together or not, Sonny finding them on their wedding night was a complete bust as far as soapiness. Sonny's return hasn't been soapy at all. I mean where are the scenes of him really being torn about being Mike and Sonny? Or of him actually being torn between Carly and Nina? Or his life in Nixon Falls (zzzz) and being a 'mob' boss? Why not let Nina finally have enough of Carly and accidentally spills the Mike/Nina love fest? This entire story just sits inertly on the screen. It's not only dumb but boring.
QuoteThey did hit on that story beat yesterday. Sonny admitted that he and Nina were good friends in Nixon Falls, and not just passing acquaintances.
Well I am glad they finally touched on some of it but again Sonny has been back for how damn long now? Plus it's supposed to be sweeps! Let's see some forward momentum.
And it's not just that story - Cassadine island, Drew, Maxie's baby, The Q fight with Austin, Leo maybe being on the spectrum, no one every killing Peter - all of it just feels like treading water.
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and like i said. fundamentally - I am on team Carly/Michael here. they DO have the right to be mad. where they lose me every single time is how they warp and twist everything to be uglier than it is.
Exactly. It's like the entire amnesia thing has been completely forgotten by Carly and Michael. And sorry it's a rather important element to the 9 MONTHS Sonny was gone. Nina was wrong for sure. Absolutely not going defend her not telling anyone or not telling Sonny the truth no matter how many times he said he didn't want to know.
BUT she didn't hold him prisoner for 9 MONTHS. And she certainly didn't commit identity theft or whatever foolishness Michael is trying to hang on her.
It's been how long now that Sonny is back and Nina still hasn't spilled the beans about Mike falling in love with her. Seriously? The pacing on this show is awful. Has anyone asked Sonny about Nixon Falls? Like what he was up to or if he tried to find out who he really was or anything like that? It's just stupid.
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I completely understand and support Steffy's stance about Sheila, but I don't support her feelings about Finn and Sheila. If she doesn't want Sheila in her life that is her choice, but she doesn't get to make that decision for Finn. There is no reason Finn can't spend time with his mother out of Steffy's presence and her earshot.
I agree, Finn should be able to have a relationship with Sheila if he wants. Away from Steffy for sure. But here's the only issue with that plan, hasn't Sheila been pretty demanding about being involved with her grandchild too? That's kind of a big ask, all things considered. And you know Sheila would never accept terms that didn't include Hayes. That's just not Sheila.
QuoteSo Bill can do whatever he wants (as listed above) and he has a free pass to be in Liam's life and Beth's life.
So Taylor can do whatever she wants (as listed above) and she has a free pass to be in Kelly and Douglas' lives.
But Deacon?
He is the devil and must be exorcised at every opportunity.
Have Brooke, Ridge or Liam actually spelled out specifically why Deacon is the devil? Honestly I've tried to watch but the hypocrisy is too much for my brain and I zone out. I wish the writers let Hope call these idiots out on their nonsense.
I really do not understand why Hope who is allegedly an adult needs permission to have a relationship with her actual factual father.
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Still can’t make out one. What We [????] In The Shadows.
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I hope that when Taylor shows up again that she has to answer for her part in Beth’s kidnapping. She paid the money to Dr. Shady and pushed for the whole questionable adoption of PhoeBeth.
Hasn't Flo been welcomed as an official Logan? Honestly did anyone really suffer any lasting consequences for any of that? So yeah no, I doubt very much that any of this will be a plot point for her return.
QuoteIf Liam and Steffy push back on Hope regarding Deacon, I hope she looks at them, says one word "mannequin", and walks away.
Now that would be awesome.
QuoteWhen Katie was insecuring about Brooke to Carter saying she's the woman no man can ever forget? Yeah!
I have to be honest, I've never understood that whole woman no man can forget thing. Not ever. I've never found Brooke all that interesting or compelling.
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And the funny thing is, I thought the writing was trash back then for turning the whole reveal into a segway for Nick and Aggie/Sandy's story with her rapist and missing a big opportunity for Hope to have a discussion with Bridget about this reveal, despite them both being in the same hospital at the same time.
I don't know what any of this is about! I wasn't watching then but it sounds pretty stupid.
QuoteAll that out the way, I too miss some semblance of nuance in the writing too. Because in that scene, they both made good points and they're both coming from a place of genuine love and care.
Yes! I mean RM is not a good actor but he could manage to convey gentleness and caring when needed. I think TK can too - Ridge has had a few subtle scenes with Eric but they are so few and far between it's hard to remember it!
As you note, this scene is a real discussion about real issues and real concerns. Because yes a reporter would have started digging into Hope's origins. I really like that Ridge isn't saying anything meanly or cruelly. Every single time I read that bit about Hope being a stain on the family, I was expecting something awful when I saw the actual scene. But nope not at all.
QuoteThis recast might have been halfway accepted if they'd even tried to write a character we'd been familiar with for the previous 25 years. With nuTaylor coming onboard in a few weeks and replacing a far more popular actress, we'll have a direct comparison as to how much of this is writing.
I agree the recast would have had more of a chance to work if he was remotely Ridge-like even in the writing. My issue is, he isn't very Ridge-like in appearance. I mean the dude is supposed to be some fantastic fashion designer and he looks like a hobo most of the time. It just doesn't work for me at all. Honestly, I think there are so many ex soap actors out there who would have been better in this role.
As for Taylor, I am glad they have recast the role but I mean the writers had her so far off the rails the last few times she appeared almost anything other than crazy will be a vast improvement for the character. I know a lot of folks in these parts aren't Taylor fans, but I didn't mind her way back in the day. But more recent stints have been unbearable.
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Even the oft quoted "stain on the family" thing, while not a great turn of phrase, was Ridge speculating what the media may say if the scandal broke out, not his personal opinion.
Thank you for this clip! I've seen references to Ridge calling Hope a stain on the family and I wondered about it - though not enough to search for it (hee lazy). What Ridge is saying in the clip made sense and it was true.
QuoteThorston Kaye OTOH, only knows how to do horny and angry well and he is written accordingly.
I'm going to disagree with this. He's done several quiet emotional scenes with John McCook. I think he is capable of doing those scenes with Hope too the issues is the writing is sooooo much worse now. It's so basic. Ridge shouts and threatens. That's it. Watching that older scene of Ridge and Brooke really discussing the potential consequences of Hope being in the spotlight just shows how far the writing has fallen. Would anyone have that kind of logical discussion now? Not likely.
Which was my point about the whole Eric, Quinn, Carter and Logan girls nonsense. I mean the story we are left with is just cat fights and a manipulative old codger. Rather than a chance for Quinn to maybe be a grown up and have real conversations with her husband and vice versa. It's just far easier to go with silly cat fights.
I wish I cared at all about Zende, Paris and Thomas but honestly I can't be bothered.
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You are also way off base about the Logan's. They have not been in your business anymore than you have been in theirs. You had a kissing affair with Brooke's fiance, then you tried to bust up her marriage with VegasGate, which was far more intrusive than anything Donna has ever done. And Katie was right about Quinn never taking responsibility for her actions.
Quinn can just shut up over the intrusive stuff. Frankly all of them can take a seat when trying to lob that insult on anyone else! They are all up in each other's business all the damn time!
I feel like Quinn is smart enough to put two and two together and realize the true issue with Eric is her affair not ED. Of course, she doesn't want to admit that but that's where an honest conversation would be helpful. Way back when Eric started blabbing about taking Quinn back is when this conversation should have happened. When Eric admitted having ED and pushing her to Carter for satisfaction. Eric manipulated things but never sat down to talk to Quinn. And Quinn never asked any real questions either. The writers always put stuff on screen that is lazy. Eric's issues could have been a real and a good storyline for he and Quinn. Instead it's ... this.
Hope certainly doesn't need anyone's permission to have a relationship with her father. Ridge is overreacting as usual and acting like a complete bully ... as usual. Deacon has done some shady things to be sure, but he isn't Sheila. Or Quinn! Or Bill! Or Ridge!
I am hopeful Hope remains strong in her stance.
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Maybe it will be the beginning of the end of Bridge? Dare I hope. I do find it odd that they chose that one scene where Deacon told Brooke that one day the storm would pass, and that he would be right there waiting for her. And don't you fucking toy with me Show. If you are gonna do it, then do it, and don't give us another round of Brooke finding happiness without Ridge, and six months later you tank that relationship for another round of Bridge.
I would be all for the end of Bridge. Even if Ridge were still played by Ronn Moss, I just think the pairing is stale. But even more so with current Ridge. This recast has been a bust from jump and I will never understand why this hasn't been addressed. I refuse to believe there are thousands of fans out there just clamoring for Thorsten Kaye as Ridge. Now I do happen to think he's a pretty good actor, but he's all wrong for Ridge. And honestly TK and KKL have no chemistry. None.
I would also love to have Deacon around to shake things up and for Sean Kanan to be employed! He is a good actor and has chemistry with the actors around him.
Though I don't much care about Brooke, I think enough time has passed that if she wanted to make a go of things with Deacon - let it happen! They were hawt back in the day and I feel sure at least some of that can be recaptured.
The problem is, I don't believe tptb will ever split up Bridge for good. I just don't. Both characters have had successful pairings outside of Bridge and yet? It's all for nothing because ultimately, Bridge is end game.
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Brooke even tried to push some of the blame for the affair onto Ridge because he "wasn't around" but Hope shot that down saying he was married to Taylor at the time, i.e., that's irrelevant and no excuse!
Brooke: Listen my destiny was not available to me, so I had no choice but to have sex with my son-in-law ... it's like the law or something.
QuoteHave fun living that dream. A dream that will be made all the more sour as you watch the man you really want move on with another of the Logan girls. I am gonna be on the sidelines hootin' and hollerin' as Carter and Katie get knee deep into a new romance, and you have to watch it as you continue to declare you undying love for Eric, and daydream about getting sexed up by Cater. Tee fucking hee!
Quinn chose not to leave with Carter. She made a bad choice and she will be left hanging because you know darn well Eric will not stay away from Donna. He'll keep thinking about the honey cure for sure.
I liked Quinn with Carter and I think Rena Sofer is a good actress, but I have little use for Quinn beyond that.
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The fly in the ointment was that he was Bridget's husband but it's not as if that was a secret. Brooke appeared to be head over heels, her guilt and shame notwithstanding, but when Taylor "died" and Ridge was a free man, destiny (puke) took over once again and she was all about getting Ridge back and couldn't ditch Deacon fast enough.
Personally I think boinking your daughter's husband is a bit more than a 'fly in the ointment!' It's pretty darn gross, despite how hawt they were.
I don't think the writers really viewed Brooke and Deacon as any kind of long term pairing - whether Taylor died or not.
I am not a Brooke fan at all but my favorite pairing of hers was Thorne. She threw that away too for destiny (Ridge).
QuoteIs Brooke that thick to choose Ridge over Deacon or Bill. Those two are manly men. Ridge is just an unwashed scruffy man child.
Too be fair at least during the Deacon thing, Ridge was played by Ronn Moss who at least was washed! I cannot explain picking current Ridge over Bill. Though I guess Ridge never chose a building over Brooke!
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Also, Donna didn't pull out her bottle of Honey Bear; it fell out of her purse when she was looking for a kleenex. And it was Eric who asked Donna to put her finger in his mouth.
I will agree Quinn should be confronting Eric about all of this and that Eric sucks but come on. Innocent, Betty Boop!Donna just happened to have a bottle of honey in her purse?!? And was she forced by gunpoint to put her finger in Eric's mouth?!? She knew perfectly well what she was doing. She was making a play for Eric, encouraged by her sisters. Donna is not innocent.
Quoteso he turns around and fucks over Donna, who would move heaven and earth to make him happy.
It doesn't make much sense since he now knows his issues are with Quinn, not his equipment. But whatever. Donna should be grateful not to be stuck with that whiny manipulative geezer.
Quotethen falling out of love with her because she put on weight?
Donna should never ever forget this. I mean come on.
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Unless there are other contexts I'm not aware of...don't media reports and police reports exist to prove all the evil things Sheila (not so much Deacon) did?
Steffy could easily find this stuff. Also, call Lauren in Genoa City and let her give Finn an earful. Sheila is evil. She has always been. Now Deacon on the other hand, doesn't even come close to Sheila.
QuoteOne of Eric’s funniest lines “I take my commitments seriously!” How many affairs did he have again?!
I almost choked on that line. Good lawd. That was hilarious.
QuoteMe thinks Katie will ask Carter to work his magic on Quinn again and set her up so Eric thinks she is back at it with Carter to foil the marriage.
I really don't want Katie to do that. Not one bit.
QuoteWhat a piece of 💩 to treat Donna like that.
Exactly. This entire ED storyline has just been awful for Eric. And I don't mean his allegedly non-working junk. I mean his manipulation of Quinn and Carter. I mean his complete disregard for Donna's feelings. I've typed it before and I will again now: Eric is just gross. I can't with him anymore. Uggghhh.
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I’m surprised not to see a bit more support for Quinn on this one. As a wife I don’t think it’s too much to ask for my husband to fire a receptionist who admits she’s in love with him and invites him to lick honey off of her finger!
I absolutely think Quinn should be irritated with that whole thing. I think she should be irritated with Brooke, Ridge and Katie sticking their collective noses into Eric and Quinn's business. Over and over and over again. Even when Eric told them to stop.
But the person she should be confronting is Eric. He's the one who has been playing games and manipulating her. And frankly even though he told the nosey gang to stay out of it, he was the one 'confessing' all of it to them. So they could continue to interfere.
Threatening Donna is just dumb because Eric will never take Quinn's side over the Logan coven. Besides getting Donna to go away doesn't fix what's broken between her and Eric.
I don't know why Donna or Quinn wants that whiny bag of passive aggressiveness. In fact I think it would be hilarious if rather than threatening Donna, Quinn got all seductive and asked her about that honey. And then they went to Eric and said we chose each other.
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So Katie and Carter are going to come together to form the most boring couple ever. Snoozefest Powers activate!
And after the fire that was Quinn and Carter. Shame.
Honestly, I don't mind Katie and Carter or at least I am willing to give them a chance. Katie's only other option seems to be Bill and I think that's a pairing that is dead on arrival. It just is. I liked them at one point, but that was a long time ago. Someone mentioned Deacon for Katie but I mean #1 another Brooke leftover and #2 he's a bad boy she'd be trying to change.
I loved Quarter and yes lots of fire, but the writers seemed determined to keep them tied to Eric and sorry but I for one do not want to watch that.
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They are STILL talking about Eric’s erectile issues? Donna can cure it with a hug?
Of course they are still talking about it! Torture the audience! Also Donna cured it with honey not a hug. Hee.
I don't know if Eric actually went to a doctor but he doesn't have ED no matter how many times anyone says it. He just couldn't perform for his wife because she cheated on him with Carter (apparently none of the other things she's done over the years bothered him all that much). To continue to pretend he has a medical issue is dumb.
I wish we would just move on from this story because at this point I can barely tolerate Eric and his nonsense. Between his whiny-ness and manipulation I am just over it and him.
Quoteat any other point before 2003 on this hell show--Katie dating her son's half brother would have been met with some looks at a bare minimum, regardless of her and Bill being divorced.
That's true. These days most of this stuff just doesn't register much with any of the characters.
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Oh that's right. Dirty old man be dirty-old-manning so he gets a pass.
Right? I mean come on! Quinn is no saint, not even close but she should be upset at Eric. Eric who was playing games with her and Carter. Eric whose issue is with Quinn not with ED. How about going to Eric to confront him about all of this?
Certainly Donna isn't an innocent in this situation - she had no reason to be visiting Eric with a bottle of honey except to be hitting on him. But Donna didn't make any promises to Quinn, Eric did and that's who Quinn should be upset with.
QuoteHere's a link.
Thanks so much!!
QuoteHonestly, if Quinn decided to team up with Taylor to ruin Brooke's life, I'd be all for it at this point.
Going to join you at that table ...
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I just discovered episodes of Edge of Night from the '70s on youtube.
I loved the Edge of Night - one of my absolute all time favorite soaps. Are these episodes easy to find on youtube?
QuoteI have never cared for holier-than-thou Taylor but if her return means Brooke starts minding her own damn business, then bring it on.
I'm not a Brooke fan, so anyone coming in to mess with her life and to stop her over-interest in Eric's sex life will be a plus. Not that I am a huge Taylor fan either but still it has to be more interesting than talking about Eric's allegedly non-working equipment day after day.
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If the whole idea was to get Eric and Donna back together I can think of at least ten thousand other options than this ridiculous ED SL. Particularly when it appears that isn't Eric's issue at all. He was just not wanting what was being offered, and that makes me even madder. If you didn't really want to be with Quinn, then you should never have taken her back. All this nonsense about not wanting to be alone, as if Quinn is the only woman in LA. Also maddening is how it will be spun that Eric didn't trust Quinn because of Carter, when he is the one who pushed her into the man's bed. This SL has made me believe that Eric isn't suffering from ED, but from dementia.
About ten thousand other options that were far less insulting to the audience and pretty much all the characters involved. As I've typed before, I have always generally 'liked' Eric or at least I find him less irritating than most of the other characters. But this storyline has just made him gross to me. It wasn't enough for him to mentally and emotionally toy with Quinn and Carter - he added Donna to the list. Sorry but having her in the office 'curing' his little soldier issue and then him running off to Quinn?!? Seriously? When he knows how Donna feels about him? Just give me a break. Honestly, it's just been a terrible story.
And we aren't going to be put out of our misery yet! Oh no! I am sure we need to have plenty of scenes with Brooke dropping the honey bear dime on Quinn and going on and on about that.
QuoteI find it less abrasive with Steffy because Steffy at least knows what she is talking about, and Sheila is really, really, bad news.
Exactly. I never thought I'd agree with much from Steffy but this? She is right. I wish someone would reach out to the folks at Y&R to give Finn more lowdown about his alleged birth mother. Of course, it probably wouldn't sink into that empty head of his but it's worth a try!
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Well I certainly support that idea too but realistically I doubt it's going to happen. Hasn't Ridge pretty much been front and center on this show from the start? I'd think there is a better chance for a recast than of Ridge never, ever returning! At least with a recast there's a chance of Ridge being more like RM Ridge rather than TK Ridge. Sure RM Ridge wasn't perfect but he at least listened and had conversations.
Or as @Anna Yolei put it and much more eloquently: