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Yay! I hope you'll share your reactions here as you rewatch. Looking forward to your thoughts!
I'm going to try but I doubt any of my thoughts will be as deep as some of you have here!
I know it's been a while since season 1 aired so I probably shouldn't be surprised by this but I remember none of the plot of season 1! HAHAHA. I watched the first 4 episodes last night and loved them.
I remember Debra used to annoy the hell out of me but not so far on my rewatch. I always found Doakes and his aggressive hatred of Dexter kind of off-putting and my opinion hasn't changed much on that. I mean I get that Doakes just instinctively senses something off about Dexter but come on Dex hasn't tried to kill him etc. I'd get fired if I was talking to a co-worker like that for no other reason than I don't like him or her!
I still love Angel and I'm not so sure about La Guerta. I think she gets better as we go but maybe I am misremembering.
I like Rita and the kids. I always felt like she humanized Dexter and I was sad when she was gone.
I can't remember which season it was that I stopped watching - maybe 6? I don't remember for sure but I guess I'll find out as I do this rewatch.
And OMG the flashbacks to dad in the hospital and Carpenter and Hall dressed and wigged to try to look younger were hilariously bad! Though Dexter's first try at following the code and killing the nurse was pretty funny.
Onward to more of season 1 ...
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You guys have inspired me to do a rewatch ... well I actually never finished the whole series. I don't even remember where I left off! A friend of mine wanted me to watch the newest season but I figured I needed to refresh with the original before I try New Blood. So I am currently on episode 1 season 1! Wish me luck!
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was she one of the girls Grindle hurt
I personally thought that was it but it sure seemed like a convoluted way to get revenge on him!
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I think at first she was sincere but Joss gave her the platter, she deserves what ever Esme is going to serve up, she can't help herself!
Joss is awful to be sure, but Esme certainly isn't much better. And sorry but Joss does not deserve to have that sex recording released anywhere.
QuoteI thought that Laura said something about "Luke's supposed accident". She's the one making the leap.
I thought she just meant that Luke's 'accident' wasn't an accident after all since Victor is involved but no one said that meant Luke was alive.
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And Ridge will do what he always does and trot on back to Brooke.
And Brooke will do what she always does and take him back.
It's all so obvious and so insulting. And as usual the writers take the laziest path to telling a story. These repeated conversations have been going on since NYE - it's almost March! These writers get paid for this!
Now whether you buy that Taylor is a good doctor or not, in this universe she is. Same goes for Brooke's business abilities and her chemistry (have they mentioned that lately?). Both are accomplished women. And yet both have been stuck on this same frickin' merry go round for a million years.
I know I have to accept it as canon, but I refuse to believe that Taylor hasn't grown one tiny bit wiser in all the time she was away. She damn well knows Brooke and Ridge have been married for most of that time! And yet, here she is once again debasing herself for Ridge.
Brooke too should know better by now. FFS! And yet she will take him back once all of Sheila's plotting is revealed.
What is the point to any of it? To just limp back to the status quo? Bringing Taylor back didn't have to mean doing this! And if the writers wanted to explore Ridge and Taylor again, aren't there about a thousand better ways to do it? I am sure every one of us could write a better plot.
It's just lazy, boring and not one bit soapy.
I'm about ready to delete this show from the dvr.
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The hypocrisy knows no bounds on this show.
I suppose there would be no show if every one of these characters weren't hypocrites! Steffy should keep her mouth shut about Bill when speaking to Brooke ... or anyone really. Just as Brooke should shut up when blathering to Quinn about cheating on Eric. And it goes on and on. There is barely a character on this show who hasn't slept through a family or cheated on a partner or committed a crime. No one should be getting on their high horse about anything. But then no one could ever confront anyone about anything!
QuoteRidge needs to go to jail for assaulting Deacon at his job. What a Neanderthal.
Just as I hate it when women on tv shows or movies go after the other woman - yeah Ridge needs to take a million seats. Ridge needs to talk to his wife, the one who took vows with him. Deacon has nothing to do with all that. Deacon cannot break up their marriage, only they can.
I kinda like the new Taylor, I mean at least they don't have her running around like an insane person like the last few Taylor appearances. I just wish she wasn't still hung up on stupid Ridge. And Steffy and Thomas acting like getting their parents back together is the most important thing in the world is beyond stupid. How old are they?!?
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I laughed so hard at Sonny being like “hey you said you weren’t coming!” Like that justifies everything! LMAO. He got a good zinger in when he said he fantasized about Nina as much as Carly fantasized about Jason.
Sonny kills me sometimes. That line had me laughing. Ah yes your wife said she wasn't coming to see you - it's definitely time to bang another woman.
As to the second part about Sonny allegedly fantasizing about Nina? I don't believe it. I just don't. Sorry but nothing in the writing has indicated Sonny having any real conflict about Nina and Carly. He's been pretty consistent about wanting to be with Carly.
QuoteSina doing the nasty?
The couple name for Sonny and Nina is Sina? Ummm no thanks. They'll be Ninny to me.
QuoteToday was soapy fun, but I am getting tired of everyone being stupid so Peter can outsmart them.
At this point, I feel like the writers are trolling the audience. I really do because the Peter stuff is just beyond ... beyond stupid.
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Nina, you gigantic Dummkopf. Why on earth would you sleep with Sonny right after he told you his marriage was over? He's going to be thinking of Carly the whole time. Where is your self-respect?
Nina is just so desperate. Sonny just said he wanted Carly and had wedding rings in his hand! Whatever. Again I don't care about Carly and Sonny per se but as someone said upthread - keeping them together just ensures they won't separately go out and ruin other potentially interesting characters. Of course, Nina is a lost cause as far as being interesting so I guess Ninny is on!
QuoteI guess the show has settled on Sam/Dante? Lucky Drew.
Yeah but couldn't that mean Drew will be there for Carly? I know Drew hasn't been up to much lately other than roaming counselor but I think he could be a more interesting character. I don't think that'll happen if they saddle him with Carly as a romantic partner.
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Why does she still want a relationship with this infant?
That's a great question. Honestly, I could ask the same of Carly. I don't really understand what Sonny's appeal is supposed to be. I mean I know that Carly likes him being a mob boss and all that entails but beyond that? I'm stumped. And Nina is just living in dreamland, hanging onto this idea of Mike who frankly wasn't all that interesting either but at least he wasn't a mobster.
QuoteCan we keep Lindsay Hartley? She just brings an energy that is beleivable.
I wish. Sadly it won't happen.
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How fast did Nina drive to get to the Haunted Star?
Right? It's so stupid and predictable. I just hate this story. Not because I give a rats arse about CarSon but because I am so tired of Nina blubbering about not wanting to break up Sonny's marriage. I'm sorry but yes she does. She does! I would like it so much more if she just damn well owned that!
And yes, I know Nina can't break up CarSon only they can do that but you know what I mean. Nina does want them to split up and she does want Sonny. So stop pretending and let's get on with this.
The other issue with this witless story is, the writers haven't really shown Sonny being all that torn between Carly and Nina. Like the Sam is suddenly torn between Dante and Drew. The writers tell us, rather than show us.
I don't think Sonny and Nina have much in the way of chemistry but neither do Sonny and Carly. I just wish the writers would pick a damn lane and move it along.
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I had never seen the actor who plays Carter before, but on B&B he's all beef and no substance. Is is some sort of running joke that he must take his shirt off?
I saw him on Guiding Light and I honestly don't remember him being shirtless all the time. He wasn't much of an actor on that show either, unless he was in a scene with a good actor.
QuoteCarter and Katie may not have the heat of Carter and Quinn, but oh how much more fun they are to watch than him and the trying-to-hard teeny bopper.
Completely agree. Carter/Paris is just awful. And as I said I think the dude playing Carter needs a much stronger scene partner than the 'actress' playing Paris.
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(BTW I was carded at 22 and I'm 5'4 bc I looked young).
I got carded into my early 30s and I am 5' 5 1/2. The worst was the time I was 25 and went to the movie with my mom. I was buying the tickets and it was an R rated movie. The kid carded me and I had no idea why and asked. He said it was an r rated movie. I couldn't bare to tell him I was 25 so I said I was 20 and then pointed to my mom and said I was with my mommy. Lawd.
Anyway, I tried an episode and I don't think I care to go on. It all feels creepy to me - esp the dating aspect. Not that I think she should be locked away from men but I don't know the situation seems ripe for finding a pedophile rather than a nice guy.
Quoteif she wants "independence" she can go out there and get it herself, starting by getting her license. Nothing's keeping her from finding work and moving out at 22 years old. This is just another ultra stagey TLC show.
Agreed. I was confused by her not having a license. Why?
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I thought it was incredibly obvious that Lilith was conning Stan.
I will say that it's far more obvious in the remake than the original. The character isn't nicer in the original by any means but I felt like the actress was a bit more subtle about what was going on.
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Deacon is the hottest thing on 2 legs, & far more exciting than my usual chef salad.
I agree and I would like to see an honest to goodness Brooke and Deacon reunion. But the thing is the writers have just taken this in a bad direction with the alcohol and kiss. I feel like any time there is a story with some possibilities in it, the writers just torpedo it.
Quinn and Carter were hawt - had chemistry and the writers turn that into Eric's alleged ED and didn't have the balls to go full throuple!
Brooke and Deacon still have chemistry. Hope genuinely wants to know her father. Deacon genuinely wants to know his daughter. And the writers have Sheila swap labels on champagne bottles. I mean really?
WHY? Why is Sheila so all about destroying Brooke? Shouldn't she be plotting against Steffy? I'm sure there is some convoluted reasoning but I've barely been paying attention.
I also hate hate hate that the writers had Sheila messing with Brooke's sobriety. While I realize Brooke's alcoholism story lasted for about 2 weeks, still it's a rather serious thing and I do not enjoy a storyline treating that so cavalierly. It's gross and irresponsible to this viewer.
QuoteI’d be embarrassed to hype a show as a tribute, then show a glossy pic of the honoree, with literally nothing else. They should’ve replayed an episode of hers, or, at the bare minimum, a montage of some of her highlights. That was a disappointment & an embarrassment.
Well doing more would have required effort and let's face it, since scripts are the same dialogue over and over and over - effort isn't a thing on B&B.
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I'm almost never ahead of any plot, and when the new circus guy was being nice to Stan and then said, "It's a temporary job" I about jumped out of my seat. The original didn't seem to have anywhere near that impact.
I rarely figure out a plot or twist in a movie. I watch to watch not to try and figure stuff like that out. However, after about the 3rd or 4th time Stanton said he never drinks - I turned to my friend and guessed the end! And I agree the ending in the original did not impact me the way the remake did.
Quoteeven considered leaving, but decided to stick it out, and the cruelty abated, thank heavens.
Yeah that was difficult to watch. Yikes.
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Surprising that since the reveal, Carly's gotten more honest straightforward answers from Nina than Sonny.
I don't it's the least bit surprising ... Sonny is a coward. He's a pretend tough guy moobster who blames everyone else for things that go wrong, rather than looking square at himself.
He ended up in NF because HE decided to kill Julian. He ended up in NF for 9 months not because of amnesia but because HE refused to look into his past. He ended up in a relationship of sorts with Nina because again HE couldn't be bothered to find out who he really was. Not that Nina isn't blameless for some of this of course, she should have opened her mouth no matter what. Furthermore, he chose to try and act like Carly was imaging things when it came to Nina since the return, rather than just coming clean.
I don't care if Sonny ends up with Nina or Carly but honestly Nina is an idiot. She has some romantic notion in her head about Mike. Sonny isn't Mike. He might be a little softer around the edges but that hardly negates his line of business or his issues with glassware.
And really what is the point? I doubt they'll split Sonny and Carly permanently, if at all.
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It's a very deluxe B-movie. I've seen the 1947 version, and I don't think either is better or worse. 1947 moves at a brisker clip and is a bit warmer (in that the era's production code kept a few characters from going as dark as they go in 2021, and an optimistic ending was imposed). 2021 is more lavish and more faithful to the source.
The original was played on TCM Noir Alley this past weekend and so I watched it. I generally prefer original movies to remakes but not in this case. I much prefer the remake. The original was certainly brisker but I appreciated the remake for the attention to detail, for the foreshadowing done in regards to drinking and other things. I felt like the original just jumped from Stanton meeting rich guy to having Molly pretend to be a ghost. There wasn't much build up to it at all. Although to be fair maybe I feel this way because I saw the remake first!
And though I certainly know the filmmakers had no choice, I still hated the lighter, 'happier' ending to the original.
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a huge part of that was the writers acknowledging that both of them were outsiders to the Forrester family that was all to glad to use them both as pawns for means to their own end
Yes that's what I meant. I think my post may have come off as meaning Deacon wasn't good enough for Brooke and I don't think that's true. It's more about the Brooke of today is truly a Forrester and part of that world rather than someone with her nose pressed against the window. Even Stephanie gave up her vendetta!
I suppose Brooke and Deacon could team up against Sheila but that feels very short term. Or perhaps Brooke could develop a sudden interest in the martial arts too?!?
QuoteThere comes a point where TIIC either need to find new conflicts to challenge them or let them go about their merry way. They hit that point back in 2004 after RJ was born IMO.
It really is way past time for this. The conflicts to Bridge need to stop being other people coming between them, particularly if the end is always #destiny. There's nothing to invest in as viewers when the ending is always the same. There have to be other ways to give them conflict.
Happy New Year!
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I would even hesitate to label Brooke as an "alcoholic."
Agreed. The 'story' went absolutely no where and I don't recall it lasting very long.
QuoteWhy can't they let Brooke and Deacon move back together without it being about them breaking their sobriety?
These writers are lazy. It's much easier to write this same old tired type story than actually getting Brooke and Deacon together organically. The actors have chemistry, there is no doubt and I'd like to see a real relationship develop but that would take time and care.
Why? Because what do Brooke and Deacon really have in common beyond Hope and sexual heat? Brooke has money and has been living the good life for a long time. She's educated. I don't know if this clash of worlds and bad boy thing has potential for the long haul, but I'd like to see the writers try.
But that won't happen and I think we all know it.
QuoteBut it will only be a repeat of years ago, and Brooke will eventually want Destiny back and we will be treated to four grown assed people making fools of themselves.
Exactly. Rinse and repeat is what this show does best.
QuoteAre they nervous because they screwed up so badly with the “Eric demanding Carter sleep with his wife” story? I mean they really did botch that one in the most offensive way possible
It's possible because that whole ED thing was an awful mess. Yikes. But I agree, I thought Katie and Carter had solid chemistry. Too bad because I don't think Carter and Paris have any chemistry.
Sigh. This show.
RIP Betty White
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I want Brooke and Deacon to be together but I hate this story.
I have never been a Brooke fan but I'd much prefer her with Deacon than this version of Ridge and I hate this story too. It is just awful. First, I'm pretty sure Brooke would know she was feeling drunk. I haven't had a drink in ages (not because I have a problem with alcohol - it just has sort of happened) and I would know I was feeling the affects of alcohol. I mean come on. Second:
QuoteThere’s not a five year old on the planet that couldn’t have predicted this sorry plot. Shame on these writers. How about some imagination or creativity or talent?
These people get paid a fairly good salary for this crap. These people are allegedly professional writers and they couldn't think of a better way to get Brooke and Deacon together? No other idea occurred to anyone? Pffft. Plus why is the default storyline always Brooke ending up in situations like this?
QuoteSo what happened with Katie and Carter? I kind of liked them together and thought they were headed somewhere. He gave up too quickly just because Katie rescheduled lunch with him to have a family video call with Will. That doesn't automatically mean that she's still in love with Bill.
IMO, Paris is WAAAY too young and immature for Carter.
I'm pretty disappointed if this is truly the end to Carter and Katie. She was smiling so much! But as @ByaNose said, they have no idea what to do with HT or DD. Carter and Paris is just a no go for me. The character isn't interesting at all and the actress is terrible. LSV isn't a great actor either but at least he's competent when he has a good scene partner like HT or RS.
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Carly is at the bridge. she whispers Jason's name. Drew shows up. NO. NO. DON'T YOU DARE SHOW.
I'm not the least bit surprised the show might go there. It seems like Sam and Liz have love interests (whether they are interesting or not is up to the viewer I suppose) and if we are getting Sonny/Nina - then Carly needs a dude. It's like the law or something.
Not saying I'd enjoy Carly/Drew - just saying I'm not surprised.
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Ok . . . . Michael can sit down and shut up! He’s the one who started this mess!
Michael is certainly to blame for this stupid trial for a crime that doesn't exist. But in my mind, Sonny is the one who started this mess. And kept the mess going because the character is a coward. The writers try to pretend he is a good guy and somehow a hero but come on. He's a crime boss who has never ever taken responsibility for anything. Sonny is a coward.
He decided to murder Julian. He put himself in that position. He refused to figure out who he really was when he was in NF. He was afraid to because he had a feeling he wasn't a good person or that he didn't want to because his family wasn't looking for him. Apparently death never crossed his mind as in perhaps his family wasn't looking because they believed him to be dead.
He was too much of a chicken shit to find out the truth even after the woman he allegedly loved said nothing could happen between them until he found out about his past!
It's been months since he's been back and has he been man enough to open his yap? Of course not!
So yeah Michael is a moron for bribing someone to arrest Nina for a non-crime. But Sonny is at fault for all of it. Good lawd.
I will say despite having to suspend my belief to the moon and back over this hearing or trial or whatever legal nonsense this was supposed to be, it was fun to watch. It makes no sense and it continues to be beyond stupid, but it was soapy. And I agree with everyone about LW. I am not a Carly fan but she is very good in the role.
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Even if Castiel had pulled Dean from Hell, but angels had remained largely off-screen, and had been perhaps just another breed of supernatural creature without God and Lucifer and Michael and all that too-on-the-nose allegorical mess.
My point of view? The show would have been better. For me all the angel stuff and apocalypses got boring. I hated Lucifer and not in a 'he's so evil I hate that character' way. I mean every time he turned up I wanted to scream in frustration. And seriously that whole thing with keeping Nick around to investigate what happened to his family? Were there millions of fans clamoring for that?!? Ugggh. I couldn't find a way to care less. Supernatural's Lucifer was a whiny bitch. Period. Michael was almost as pointless - except JA got to wear some great clothes.
Castiel's introduction was awesome but he got worse and worse and worse as time went on. If there was a decision to be made, he made the wrong one. Every. Single. Time.
Even if they wanted angels to stick around for a bit - why not a season or two of angel angst and then get back to basics? Angels, god, lucifer, Jack kind of ruined this show for me.
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I know a lot of people don't enjoy the show after season 5. I am one that is basically ok with it through season 7 - then things get quite iffy as far as the quality of seasons. And I find a lot to complain about as the seasons go on but I thought I'd attempt a positive (ish) comment on later seasons:
Last week, the episode where Dean is hexed by a witch and is losing his memory was on TNT. And as I watched it, I thought one of the few fairly good things done during the later seasons was the redemption (ish) of Rowena. I'm by no means saying the story arc was perfect or anything like that but overall compared to so many other not very good storylines and arc's - this one seemed to work. At least for me.
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B&B: What's Up Today at Forrester Creations? - Daily Chat
in The Bold And The Beautiful
While I agree that Quarter works better as does Eric and Donna, I hate that the way these stupid writers have done this story. It's all so insulting and ridiculous. Not as bad as any of this Steffy/Liam/Hope crap but still ...