Sunshine

Quentin wasn't involved in the time reset in 4.08. It doesn't seem fair that death should even consider coming for him at this point. LOL!

Good! I was afraid they might do the because comics route and he'd lose an arm.

Do you think Roy gets out of 4.12 alive? If so does he lose an arm? There's that scene where the C4 doesn't go off and they're going to have to explode it manually. A female voice (Laurel?) says someone has to stay behind.

Doesn't 4.14 also have some sort of party at the loft with the Ivy Town neighbors?

Oliver calls her OW all the time though. :)

And what quicker way to do it than by being dismissive/condescending? The cops probably couldn't get away from her fast enough.

I can't believe I'm saying this but isn't it possible Laurel is clearing the cops ou in the comic previewt so Diggle can come in and examine the body? Cupid entertains me. Maybe Cupid senses Oliver's availability?! LOL!

Laurel and Nyssa are supposed to have a conversation of some type to clear the air I think. She might tell her then.

Didn't someone say she is in 4.15? Perhaps her pivotal role comes into play with whatever happens with Dhark that has never happened with a villain before? For Oliver to turn on Malcolm at this point there has to be something big in play on Nyssa's end. A cure for Felicity might be it but LOA help with Dhark would be even bigger. This could be why Malcolm goes darker late in 4B.

Yes. Sorry I forgot about that. So now my question becomes does he know just how involved/ruthless she is?

First, I am going to apologize for trying to apply logic here. Wouldn't it make more sense for Nyssa to approach Oliver and tell him if he helps her get control of the LOA she will help him with the ghosts/HIVE? Malcolm has already said he can't afford for the LOA to go up against HIVE. All she has to do is greet him as "husband" and is overheard by whomever is keeping tabs on him for Dhark? Which is probably how they know about secret son. Double debate whammy! Nyssa has to know the marriage holds no weight with Oliver. He wouldn't have proposed to Felicity if he thought he was married regardless of how Nyssa thinks of it. Speaking of debate and secrets coming out...Is this the end of the campaign? IF Dhark goes down in 4.15 will Ruve take over the Star City operations? Do they find out she is Dharks wife? (Have they said in show that she is or have we all just assumed?)

I would be happy to see MM gone by the finale but TPTB seem to love him. I mean look at what they did to Oliver in S3 just to make MM relevant.

In a CBR 01/20/16 interview (pg 29 Spoilers Thread), Mericle mentions wanting to explore Curtis Holt & Lonnie Machin's characters more in further (?) seasons depending on actor availability. If I assume that means future seasons, I think that eliminates Anarky from the "him" column and Curtis Holt from the "grave dweller" column. I still think Malcolm Merlyn is the "him". I have since the premiere. Felicity's cold anger only reinforces that for me. Malcolm's going dark towards the back half of the season. I am thinking that Nyssa fights him for the right to lead the LOA. MM gets help from DD but eventually loses. DD of course expects something in return. Malcolm may not kill the "grave dweller" directly but his machinations lead to the death which of course puts him at odds with Oliver & Company. Dark Archer is Oliver Queen's nemesis so I think he will be set up to be the big bad for Season 5 so everything comes full circle. When we saw the FF in the premiere, I figured Quentin was the grave dweller. I am not so sure anymore. They keep talking about it being big. Quentin is lazy and expected. I guess I don't consider his death big which seems to leave Thea, Diggle or Laurel. Laurel seems to have the most hanging thread resolutions in the narrative. Her relationships seem to have been healed - daddy, Oliver, Sarah. Nyssa sounds like it might be resolved in 4.12. There was some BTS talk (Speed Weed twitter IIRC around the time 4.14 was being written) about possibly seeing Laurel's flashback photo again. If Oliver returns it to her in present day (not sure why he would produce it in flashbacks but he could) that would be another thread wrapped up. She is supposed to have fully come into her own as a superhero (per EPs). MMV. IF she was the grave dweller it would certainly be considered big. I hope BM's actual arc was only 2 episodes which means 4.15 would be her last. I guess it depends on whether they are doing Oliver as dad. I am hoping BMD was a plot device only. Not sure about that since Brian Ford Sullivan was tweeting about MG and dallies with Samantha and Oliver. "The feels." I believe is what he actually said. I don't think we were supposed to see BM as unsympathetic. I need some info for 4.16-4.20. LOL Malcolm could also be the one who thinks Oliver did the right thing. The "...Your good looking but not very bright" scene could be that. Felicity was shot. Thea's in the hospital. Oliver might be looking for guidance about William and protecting him. Nyssa comes back in 4.12. Just in time for Ruve's campaign to discover a secret marriage to go along with a secret child at a political debate in 4.14?

Assuming Little Willie makes an appearance she might embrace him. She has had several scenes where they have had her helping a kid - the little boy at the train station and the little girl at the bay cleanup.

@Morrigan2575 - Are you saying you think there will be 2 deaths? The grave and MM?

Originally it was 6 months in show. The episode picked up basically where 409 ended (Dec) then time advanced based on multiple surgeries. I think that still puts us in Ep 19-20 range unless they have decided not to give the characters time to react. I still think MM is probably being set up to be S5 Big Bad

Roy might be a candidate for the person who thinks Oliver did the right thing regarding Baby Mama given his own past.

Did 4.15 begin shooting yesterday?

Vixen is in 4.15 also. Does she have magical powers beyond taking on animal attributes? Can she render him powerless which allows him to be captured? He goes to jail. Cue Laurel Lance ADA in court in 4.16. Malcolm frees him somehow for a favor ala helping Vandal Savage. This ultimately leads to body in grave. TA finds out and turns on Malcolm. Malcolm goes dark. Isn't Nyssa supposed to come back? Do we know when? Malcolm's spoilery scenes could be with her.

Re: Poor man's Professor X...Isn't this similar to Green Arrow being the poor man's Batman? According to Marvel Universe Wiki Professor X is a mutant with telepathic powers. He can feel other's pain first-hand because of it. He devotes his life to protecting humanity from evil mutants. He trained students in his home. He assembled the X-men. Isn't Felicity a "poor man's Professor X" already? She has no mutant abilities. She does however have good instincts regarding people, both good and evil. She helped Oliver. She helped Ray with his suit. She got Oliver to help him when he needed some fight training. When Laurel was going to hang it up in S3, Felicity encouraged her not to give up. Her next "project" is probably Mr. Terrific. My main concern would be that Professor X at one point goes into isolation. If this happened with regards to Felicity, it could be the wheelchair means she operates out of PT or home and connects to the lair remotely. (BTW, I am not defending CG. Just giving a possible explanation for the crew member).

There wasn't a triangle between Oliver, Felicity & Ray. Ray was an option for Felicity after Oliver pushed her away. In 3.01 Oliver chose the Arrow over Felicity. He struggled with that choice all season. This was the triangle. He chose Felicity at the end of the season when the Arrow had been taken from him. It doesn't sound like a choice but he could have hung around and become another superhero but he chose to embrace Oliver. If Oliver had ever said I choose you during the season to Felicity then there might have been a O/F/R triangle. O/F/R only works as a triangle if Felicity has a choice. She never put helping the Team aside for Ray.

I wouldn't think so unless she has pictures that could ruin lives but she might think it does. I can understand KC being angry about how things played out but I can't understand why she would try to get EBR fired. She simply showed up and did what was asked of her. Although if she is pulling this it might be more a shot at SA than EBR (although she would pay the greater price). Based on SA's answers when asked about Oliver/Felicity in S1/S2, she might have taken it as SA's fault she lost her LI role. He never publicly insisted it had to be GA/BC or Oliver/Laurel forever!

Maybe it was correct but not in the way imagined. KC was pretty much written out of Oliver's story and the Black Canary story. This was her star role. CL's Canary was given Sin and the GA/BC LI story line. Even when it ended it was left on a maybe we're not done note. (Sara gives Oliver a "you deserve someone better" line). I originally thought Sara was going to be the on again/off again relationship. She was also given the GA/BC fighting partners. The CW might have put a stop to the actual writing out of KC. To date she has gotten very little GA/BC story. Malcolm was GA in Dark Waters. IIRC there was speculation about the TCAs in Jan 2015 that the reason KC was there was that she was going to headline LOT. If so, my guess is she wanted to make sure CL and/or EBR could not appear in any capacity.

KC rivaled SA for media coverage in S1. She was the bigger name. If this is about KC I guess it goes to show she can act when she wants to. If she is attempting to get Felicity killed off so Oliver can have a new love interest her friendship with EBR is as big a sham/or PR stunt as some people claim. I don't think KC & CL care for each other. New love interest could be Poppy or Baby Mama. Baby Mama could become a regular if EBR or KC leaves. Actress's last show was cancelled. Doesn't really matter. If Felicity is dead I'm gone. No fandom meltdown for me. Arrow may live on but I'm done.

I think Nyssa coming back for a few episodes makes her a candidate for the grave if the "him" is Malcolm. She has been a prominent character in the past. She has helped the Team take down 2 big bads so they would feel sad. It ties up the threads of her "marriage" to Oliver and her relationship w Sarah. Frees them up for other relationships. Malcolm is supposed to go dark late 4B so this could begin the set up of him as big bad again for S5. I may be wrong but I think I read Nyssa is killed by LOA in comics. Dark Archer is Green Arrow's nemesis in comics. Remember the original premise was that this show would go 5 seasons.. Their original storyline may still be on track with some modifications such as who the love interest is, not Connor Hawke, etc. Why random grave in Starling? It could happen in Starling and/or simply that Laurel would want to bury her friend. Wasn't there just one flower spray? Why would Oliver shed a tear? Mr. emotional gets attached to people quickly. Another loss? Barry? I think Barry's primary purpose in the scene is to provide support for Oliver (not to mention giving him someone to voice his thoughts to.). If it's a regular I still think it's Quentin but as I read other opinions and the potential story from deaths it all sounds like repeats. I know they like to recycle but I also thought they might like to tie up some loose ends as well as giving fans something to talk about most of the season. What about Nyssa & Sara? Will she be joining her on LOT? Is Oliver's marriage to Nyssa real?