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Jed’s family acting like they were Joseph, Catherine, and Latoya Jackson needing to protect the family jewels was pretty funny. It was the best part of the ep besides looking at Hot Tyler. Their protectiveness of Jed is definitely confusing but I don’t blame them for going wtf?! When his mom said, “he’s lived his life” I wondered if she was hinting at how he makes money...which is another indication he isn’t ready for marriage. Gosh I wonder if he told Hannah anything. He put his family in a hard spot by letting this go all the way to hometowns. They couldn’t embarrass him but they know he is in no way ready to settle down and isn’t in love with Hannah.

In the interview I read, Chris said he was too cool and laid back and that “he was good looking and knows it.” I think they just didn’t think much of him. Mills also said the audience would fall in love with Jed in an interview when discussing front runners and said nothing about Tyler. LOL they are clueless, clearly.

Another interesting tidbit to me: Peter was the last home date. I thought her energy was off and she was kissing him at times because she was afraid he would drop the L word. She also didn’t ask about his readiness for marriage. I think by the time she got to him she was like “what’s the point of this?” Basically, I don’t know if she knew her F1 and f2 going into hometowns, but I think she knew after.

I checked RS again and now I really think Luke was the producer pick. He's the last fantasy date. I think if hannah still wanted him they wouldn't have thrown him in at the end. Being #3 is one thing, being #4 is another. According to RS, Luke was the first hometown and the last fantasy date filmed. That's a lot of time to make a guy wait to see you again that you actually want to screw. Also, apparently his fantasy date was in a different location than the rest. Peter, Tyler, and Jed in Crete and Luke in Santorini. Now I'm strongly leaning towards production telling her to bring him, not Peter, and they literally threw a fantasy date together for him. His FD was also the only one that pics leaked from during filming. the other three were hidden. I think at this point her mind was made up re Jed. And I know people keep saying she's super sexual, but I actually don't see her sleeping with anyone but her F1, especially not after telling Jed she was feeling guilty about her relationships with other men last week.

Nothing about the edit for Tyler suggests he was in Bachelor contention, nor the promo for him prior to his surge in popularity. Chris basically said he didn't think much of him in initial interviews about Hannah's season. I can definitely see them making her bring Peter (for bach) or Luke (for drama) along.

I agree i think either A they wanted Peter to have a heartbreaking send home after FS OR they wanted Luke in FS for the drama. I can believe Hannah felt she and Luke still had a connection but no way did she believe he was a viable choice after his hometowns. I can see the producers either not wanting Peter or Luke to go. His edit screams future bachelor.

^^I feel like it was clear Luke's not having sex during fantasy suites after his hometowns. I have a few theories in my head but I can't help but think the producers convinced her to bring him to FS because they knew it would be a shit show. She knows Luke is not a viable option by now. IMO

NOT AT ALL. He has dropped the I love you so many times. But his face and body language say NO. Clearly he drops it with ease. His personality is also flat as his voice. He has special snowflake syndrome too. I want him off my screen. I like Luke more. WOAH WOAH WOAH I can't believe it but its true.

Wes could actually sing though. Jed can't IMO. You can tell Jed told his family he was just on the show to be seen. They are all like wtf?! For some reason, they believe he's going to be a star. This is all so confusing to me. As is Hannah being so into him.

I'm so confused as to way the producers allowed Jed to actually use the show to show off his music. Sooo many musicians have come on this show. I feel like Wes didn't even get all these opportunities and he had more talent.

Well that was a bachelor edit!!! Isn't it weird their visit ended during the day? Don't these dates usually go until night time?

I'm also interested to see the remaining dates and how they're edited just to see if the producers are in any way able to make it seem like it was a tough race. I watched the sneak peeks of jed's and tyler's home dates. And boy she is all in with Jed. When she's talking to Jed's mom, she speaks so glowingly about Jed and how good he is to her--she has literally stars in her eyes. It's so obvious. Tyler, she just continues to giggle and talk about how hot he is. At this point, I'm expecting her FDs with Tyler and Peter to be duds. I believe RS said the order is Peter, Tyler, Jed, and Luke. She's already told Jed she thinks about him when she's with other men. I noticed when she's kissing Peter on the boat in the preview for the rest of the season, which appears to be from FS date, her body is off to the side, not on top of him. For Tyler's FD preview, we got ITMs of tyler talking about Hannah, but nothing of Hannah talking about Tyler. Because it was a done deal by this point. IMO No way she wasn't thinking about Jed with both peter and tyler and feeling guilty.

^ We posted at the same time. ITA! And we can't forget Peter's fanbase. He has a solid one that will have their pitchforks out when he's dumped.

Tyler is at 800k followers on instagram. It is absurd. And he's not F1. Jed is at 334k. Tyler's probably fourth in airtime after jed, peter, and luke. We haven't reached hometowns yet. he's going to have over 1m followers by the end, and he wasn't chosen by lead. That's nuts. I don't think any male contestant is up there, not even the F1s. During ATFR, the building will roar when he comes out. I am so ready. Hannah and the producers are no doubt very confused. They had no clue he would be such a hit.

Maybe if he was messing with ANYONE but Luke....and didn't hate football.

Hannah seems genuinely into what Luke is saying. She shows a lot of patience with. Gives him a lot of time and energy. She has great body language with him. I notice when she greets him she typically has a big smile and looks like she wants to see him, like in the beginning of their alone time on the 3 on 1. He just typically says something to wipe the smile off her face. She also has repeatedly talked about their connection. I might have missed it. But I haven’t heard her say anything about connecting with Tyler and he’s had two one on ones. If Tyler acted like Luke, she would’ve sent him home already. I do not think Hannah has to like Tyler or want to be with Tyler or she is a bad person for not liking him. My unpopular opinion is that he was nothing more than hot dude to her and she was likely thrown by his popularity but now might see him as a life raft. That’s all. I will also agree to disagree.

I never said she disliked Tyler while filming. I just haven’t seen any indication she thought he was anything other than hot. There’s just such a huge gap in how she treats him and her top two. Even in the preview for next week, she looks like she could care less as Tyler is showing her his childhood home. She may or may not like him more now. But if she does (and I’m not convinced of this) I think it would likely be because he’s like a big yellow life raft. She’s getting a lot of shit. The one she thought she would choose embarrassed her in front of cameras. The one she fell in love with and chose embarrassed her publicly. And then there’s Tyler, sitting pretty being loved by every one.

Hannah is liking stuff now after dumping Jed and seeing how much the public likes Tyler. Nick’s interview was one of the first when she returned. In another early interview (I think extra. It’s on YouTube) she agreed with the interview Tyler was hot but she was also genuinely shocked Tyler was the interviewers choice and told her she was crazy if she didn’t pick him. she even told the interviewer to let her know if she changes her mind. Here at 11:37: The only nice thing she has said about Tyler is that he is hot. I believe Hannah thought Tyler was hot but not marriage material. She seems dumbfounded the majority of us watching don’t agree. Not just her, the producers to. Tyler wasn’t even mentioned as a front runner by Mills in an early interview after they stopped filming and he said the public would fall in love with Jed. When Chris was asked about Tyler in an interview, he basically said Hannah was just physically attracted to him. This was all before the Jed mess. Now the tune has changed because Jed is a fraud and Tyler is popular. Before they ignored him and treated him like an afterthought, now they can’t stop promoting him. I’ve seen her big grin when Tyler came up during her early interviews, but honestly that might’ve just been because she knew the spoiler was wrong and people thought it was him. It could’ve been a “ i know something you don’t know” grin. Maybe upset is the wrong word. But I believe she doesn’t understand it and is jealous of it. She just seems like a jealous person to me. But she knows Tyler is popular so she’s willing to latch on to him. All JMO

I’m sure Hannah can’t stand the Tyler love. I remember there was something she said in an interview that rang alarms when Tyler was the spoiled F1. I think it was on nick’s podcast. Whomever helps nick with the podcast, a woman, has a thing for Tyler. So nick asked if she could spoil what happens this season, especially with Tyler C, because the woman is obsessed with him. And Hannah went “really...Are you one of THOSE people?!” It was something about her reaction and tone that made me question whether she chose him. She sounded...annoyed. people also lit her up in her comments on Twitter last episode for telling Tyler to man up and grilling him more than Jed. She and Jed both probably can’t stand Tyler. Lol you have to laugh...

Yep. It was one of those things that felt good to share in the moment. But it's going to be on national tv in this age of social media, which means lots of memes etc. She will be known as the bachelorette that fucked in a windmill. It's another example of these producers not protecting her though.

I felt the same and wondered if I was clouded because of the ex gf and cheating stuff. But I was listening to a podcast with a few dudes and they said Jed just doesn't seem that into her but Hannah is super into him. I think Jed was shocked by Hannah's admission and fortunately Hannah kept talking so he had a little time to fix his face and come up with words. But if you are falling for someone and the person you are falling for giddily exclaims they are falling for you, you're going to show more excitement. I would think. But Jed just seems like a luke warm guy overall, which is why I haven't like him since night one. It's odd though because he's a musician. I always thought those types feel and show a lot of emotion.

^I'm with you. Plus after all this Luke just feels like old news.

Sure. Some churches pick and choose what they preach against. I know. I’ve been to a lot of them. Besides people are going to have premarital sex. But Hannah was the one on Colton’s season who said she wanted to wait until marriage and felt guilty she didn't. She damn near apologized to Colton for not being virgin. Not crazy for Luke to believe she felt premarital sex is a sin and she wouldn’t engage in fantasy suites.

Well that means she still think the guys are jealous of Luke. She doesn't get the Luke situation would be hard, even if Tyler wasn't falling in love. Luke prevented her from even getting to know the guys her season. Tyler mention all the cancelled cocktails parties. I think the true answer was he was frustrated how Luke was ruining the experience, not he was so madly in love and jealous of her connection with Luke. Plus, it's a little early for the bachelorette to be pushing guys to say I'm falling in love, no? She has four in Jed, Luke, Peter, and Garett already in her pocket. how many more I'm falling in love with yous does she need before hometowns?

I knew that sleeze waited to mention Haley until after she made her choice. And he probably still didn't give the full story. But he waited until she was stuck. If he had any decency, he would have told her during the FS. But nope...too busy screwing her and playing his guitar. blech I can't agree he had her fooled. There is a wise, old saying that goes "when someone tells you who they are, believe them." Jed told her why he signed up and SHOWED her by constantly pulling out that guitar. he appears to have it in the FS suite. (Eww I can't imagine where else that thing has been. He also uses it as part of his stripper act) Hannah ignored the red flags with him like with Luke. And didn't give better men a chance.