Velocity23

I am embarassed for the CW

Nobody is saying he is totally fine. And i dont think anybody expects his fate to be revealed before the finale. But the Spectre specualtion also is not set on any real spoilers outside of crossover SL we are seeing as of now. I just find it surprising that aparrently there is no chance of Oliver actually having to retire and live a normal life.

I feel like similar staments were made when majority said Felicity is dying at the end of s7. So i am just going wait here and see,

But how is Oliver continuing being the Spectre away from his family any different what we seen in s7 though. There is also no impact to go for that story since it wont be seen on the screen. People seem to be operating on this weird presumption, that everything changes but Oliver needs to be away for 20 years. It seems people are stuck on the 20 years that were only used as a tool to introduce Mia and FTA. You could also say Oliver sacrificing himself for billions and now becoming the Spectre is going to be rewarded with returning to his family once the new order is established. Also David Ramsey implied fans will be happy with the finale. And he has a good track record. Edit: we also know that throughout the filming of the finale Stephen Amell was back to sporting the old suit, which honestly makes me think that we get the story of the Green Arrow with a few tweaks at how things have changed.

They can do whatever they want with Crisis. They can rewrite stuff at their hearts content. It also fits with Guggenheim saying that Crisis gave them to opportunity to write a different ending Oliver as they presumed. Which most likely led to Oliver dying. Also its kind of weird keeping Oliver as Spectre as this God like figure when you will never get to see it and there is no real threat that requires that kind of power. Also from what i seen Olivers decision was to help Spectre during the Crisis to save family and friends. Not to continue in the role after its all done.

But isnt Oliver currently alive still. With everybody else dead dead. It seems people are very eager to believe Oliver is dead and there is no way about it. When Crisis gives them the opportunity for Oliver actually getting his happy ending.

Well from what i been told only the characters that would be at the battle at dawn of time during Crisis would remember what happened.

Not necessary. We know what Mia always wanted. But i dont think the character of Mia will know that.

I think it will change everything is Mia having to delwe into being a hero, not changing the Queens getting a happy ending

http://www.greenarrowtv.com/green-arrow-the-canaries-official-description-released/ Mia Smoak becomes Mia Queen in the spinoff.

Honestly knowing what happens in the tie-in comics they should have made changed to how Iris was reacting to all the deaths. It should have more of an impact.

https://tvline.com/2019/12/13/the-flash-season-6-episode-10-photo-iris-injured-after-crisis/

Seems Eric Wallace is hinting at some shifts for the Flash after the crossover. https://tvline.com/2019/12/13/the-flash-season-6-episode-10-photo-iris-injured-after-crisis/

When you look it from the lense of the show ... the disappearance of E1 Barry Allen is supposed to happen during the fight with Reverse Flash. That is what the article has always stated. Barrys role wasnt to defeat the Anti-Monitor. The show seemed to ignore the fact that Barry is going to go missing. For years Barry only focused on the fact that Iris was the one who wrote the article, but disregarded the content. I feel like the setup for how they approached Barrys role in Crisis in this season was also all wrong. They should have went with focusing on the Reverse Flash part of Crisis for Barry. Something very personal for Barry. Instead they just went ham with Barry has to die for everybody to survive. At the end of s5 we had RF make a promise to Barry to see him in next Crisis. And yet apparently the Flash writers didnt think to incorporate that into the lead up to Crisis for Barry. And it ended up with a mess with the whole Barrys switcheroo which doesnt make any sense if you go according to the article. The problem is also that the show constantly ignored the build up for Iris to write the article. They knew since SDCC 2018 that Crisis will happen in 2019 and yet floundered their SL instead of building towards it. That gave them enough time for a proper Crisis build up. There is this idea that Oliver is taking Barrys place when its so far away from the truth. Stephen Amell has basically slept through the last two episode of Crisis. Though love the hustle, get the money. I also dont think Oliver will stay Spectre beyond this crossover so he could appear in future crossovers. The was SA voiced it was basically never say never but indicated he would come back for something like the end of Flash or special occasion. I would honestly say Barry and Kara just dont have a proactive role in Crisis, the role of the leader was taken over by Sara in the absence of Oliver. I dont think Crisis was moved up to have Oliver take over the crossover. It was to feature as many heroes as possible in the biggest event ever. Because lets be honest yes Arrow might be ending this season, but Supergirl might not be continuing past next year either. The contracts for the Flash will be up as well. There is a lot of uncertainty regarding the big superhero shows on the CW. I think all of these reasons contributed to the fact that Crisis was moved up. And if i am not mistaken that a group of writers was chosen just for the crossover event. And writers from all the shows were part of this group. The fact tha this is what they came up with is embarassing.

Seems just like E90 Barry Allen took the role of E1 Barry in Crisis, so did KC Superman the role Supergirl originally had in Crisis. This is an official CW poster.

Sneak peek for tonight.

It came off extremely cold by Iris. Especially since her husband was clearly grieving a friend and mentor. Paired with the revelations of Elseworlds it might have the opposite effect on Barry. Nobody expects Iris to cry cuz it wouldnt be believable after elseworlds anyway, but Barry has always thought highly of Oliver. Give your husband time to grieve. Of course people who think highly of Oliver are not thinking clearly. And want to bring him back. Lets not pretend that Iris or any of WA future kids would not had done the same.

Guess Oliver hasnt suffered enough while alive

https://www.eonline.com/news/1100975/you-ll-never-guess-which-hero-can-get-superman-s-baby-to-stop-crying-in-crisis-on-infinite-earths#photo-1054595 Sneak peak

Black Lightning is joining the Crisis with their episode Earth Crisis

I dont know but according to one of the paps in Vancouver David Ramsey might have done a photoshoot as the GreenLantern over the summer.