Season 9: Hello Abbie!

[GHScorpiosRule]

On 1/14/2023 at 12:08 AM, Xeliou66 said:

Sideshow was just on, and it drives me nuts how they never show part 2 of the Homicide crossovers, that’s absurd. But while the plot of this episode was convoluted, it was really entertaining - Briscoe/Munch in DC was awesome!!

It was Baltimore. Not D.C. Homicide was set in Baltimore, MD.

[Xeliou66]

1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

It was Baltimore. Not D.C. Homicide was set in Baltimore, MD.

Lennie and Munch went to DC in that episode though. 

[Xeliou66]

Hunters was on tonight and this episode really infuriates and puzzles me - it was insane that the bounty hunters got off completely for all of the murders at the end. Even if the DA’s couldn’t prove that the shooting at the apartment was done to cover up the shooting of Bender, they still should’ve gone to trial for manslaughter for Bender’s death and manslaughter for the deaths in the apartment shooting, as well as charges for covering up the murder of Bender and trying to frame Sheridan for it. I thought it was insane that Callahan dismissed the charges outright for negligent homicide in the death of Bender, that should’ve been for a jury to decide, and they should also have been charged with manslaughter or negligent homicide for the apartment shooting. I thought even if they couldn’t prove premeditated murder it was a step too far for Callahan to dismiss all charges against the scumbag bounty hunters, they should’ve gone to trial for all 3 deaths. Infuriating episode. I did love Lennie punching one of the bounty hunters after the shooting at the apartment, it was one of the only times Briscoe lost his composure when dealing with a case. 

[andromeda331]

On 2/27/2023 at 6:04 PM, Xeliou66 said:

Hunters was on tonight and this episode really infuriates and puzzles me - it was insane that the bounty hunters got off completely for all of the murders at the end. Even if the DA’s couldn’t prove that the shooting at the apartment was done to cover up the shooting of Bender, they still should’ve gone to trial for manslaughter for Bender’s death and manslaughter for the deaths in the apartment shooting, as well as charges for covering up the murder of Bender and trying to frame Sheridan for it. I thought it was insane that Callahan dismissed the charges outright for negligent homicide in the death of Bender, that should’ve been for a jury to decide, and they should also have been charged with manslaughter or negligent homicide for the apartment shooting. I thought even if they couldn’t prove premeditated murder it was a step too far for Callahan to dismiss all charges against the scumbag bounty hunters, they should’ve gone to trial for all 3 deaths. Infuriating episode. I did love Lennie punching one of the bounty hunters after the shooting at the apartment, it was one of the only times Briscoe lost his composure when dealing with a case. 

Yeah, that's such an infuriating episode. The bounty hunters could have been charged with murder without a problem. Being bounty hunters wouldn't matter. Callahan really had no right to dismiss any of it. It was all legal despite what he or the defense attorney claimed.  I do love Lennie punching one of the bounty hunter.

 

[Xeliou66]

14 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

Yeah, that's such an infuriating episode. The bounty hunters could have been charged with murder without a problem. Being bounty hunters wouldn't matter. Callahan really had no right to dismiss any of it. It was all legal despite what he or the defense attorney claimed.  I do love Lennie punching one of the bounty hunter.

 

Yeah I thought it was absurd for Callahan to dismiss the charges against them for Bender’s death, they shot him recklessly and covered it up, and they did the same thing at the apartment. They should’ve gone to trial for manslaughter or negligent homicide. I totally failed to see Callahan’s reasoning in dismissing all the charges. It’s a good episode but that ending is infuriating and it seemed like Callahan overstepped his authority.

[andromeda331]

9 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Yeah I thought it was absurd for Callahan to dismiss the charges against them for Bender’s death, they shot him recklessly and covered it up, and they did the same thing at the apartment. They should’ve gone to trial for manslaughter or negligent homicide. I totally failed to see Callahan’s reasoning in dismissing all the charges. It’s a good episode but that ending is infuriating and it seemed like Callahan overstepped his authority.

I don't either. It makes no sense. They recklessly killed three people. They fired into an apartment with three people (and possibly kids) with no thought to anyone in there. They covered up both crimes. Really, it should have been a slam duck on murder.

[Xeliou66]

I watched Scrambled tonight, it’s an interesting case with good investigative and trial scenes, I didn’t find the defendant sympathetic at all, she was selfish and her actions resulted in the death of an innocent woman. The second wife wasn’t that likable either, she seemed selfish as well, but the defendant had no right to destroy the embryos and the defendant had absolutely no right to hire someone to break in to the clinic which resulted in a woman’s death. It was an interesting legal case. The detective work was good as well, I like how they tracked down who did it, but my god Curtis was irritating, he was an obnoxious ass to Lennie and Van Buren with his comments about the clinic and his constant preaching got tiresome, he really needed to shut up. What a jackass he could be.

 

[andromeda331]

On 4/23/2023 at 7:42 PM, Xeliou66 said:

I watched Scrambled tonight, it’s an interesting case with good investigative and trial scenes, I didn’t find the defendant sympathetic at all, she was selfish and her actions resulted in the death of an innocent woman. The second wife wasn’t that likable either, she seemed selfish as well, but the defendant had no right to destroy the embryos and the defendant had absolutely no right to hire someone to break in to the clinic which resulted in a woman’s death. It was an interesting legal case. The detective work was good as well, I like how they tracked down who did it, but my god Curtis was irritating, he was an obnoxious ass to Lennie and Van Buren with his comments about the clinic and his constant preaching got tiresome, he really needed to shut up. What a jackass he could be.

I didn't like either wife the first one someone was murdered with her little break in but the second wife was just creepy. Why would she want the embryos of her husband's ex-wife? The legal case was interesting but I just couldn't understand why she would want them in the first place. Curtis was really an ass and I really don't know how Anita didn't smack him or go off on him for his comment about her sister. Who the says that? Curtis. What an ass.

[Xeliou66]

13 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

I didn't like either wife the first one someone was murdered with her little break in but the second wife was just creepy. Why would she want the embryos of her husband's ex-wife? The legal case was interesting but I just couldn't understand why she would want them in the first place. Curtis was really an ass and I really don't know how Anita didn't smack him or go off on him for his comment about her sister. Who the says that? Curtis. What an ass.

I think the second wife wanted the embryos because of the inheritance, she would get money that would go to her kid if she had a kid using those embryos. Both wives were unlikable I agree. 
Curtis was such a jackass, I applaud Van Buren for keeping her cool when he made that remark about her sister. Curtis was so sanctimonious. 

[andromeda331]

On 4/29/2023 at 1:11 PM, Xeliou66 said:

I think the second wife wanted the embryos because of the inheritance, she would get money that would go to her kid if she had a kid using those embryos. Both wives were unlikable I agree. 

I know but it's still weird for me that she wants them.

[Xeliou66]

I saw Bait a couple of days ago, it’s an interesting episode with how the wounding of the teen in the shooting led to the case of the murder of the girl by the drug dealer and it was a good twist that Kevin was an informant for the narcotics detective. I didn’t have any sympathy for Detective Rivera, he was a rule breaker who endangered the life of his informant, he shouldn’t have been using an underage informant, period. I actually agreed with Curtis this time when he was disgusted with Rivera, and I was unsure why Lennie was sympathetic to Rivera, I was kind of annoyed with Lennie’s defense of Rivera. I did like the scene where Lennie and Jack were having lunch, it was always nice to see them interact and I liked seeing them in a more relaxed setting, and notice how they addressed each other by their first names in that scene, it was a good interaction. Jack and Lennie are probably my 2 favorite characters on the show so I always enjoyed their interactions. But I was 100% on Jack’s side in this discussion and like I said, it’s one of the handful of times I agreed with Rey, I didn’t like Rivera at all. 
It was nice of Jack to take the pressure off of Lennie and not make him give incriminating evidence against Rivera, instead tricking Rivera into believing he had.   
It’s a good episode overall with some good twists. 

[andromeda331]

9 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I saw Bait a couple of days ago, it’s an interesting episode with how the wounding of the teen in the shooting led to the case of the murder of the girl by the drug dealer and it was a good twist that Kevin was an informant for the narcotics detective. I didn’t have any sympathy for Detective Rivera, he was a rule breaker who endangered the life of his informant, he shouldn’t have been using an underage informant, period. I actually agreed with Curtis this time when he was disgusted with Rivera, and I was unsure why Lennie was sympathetic to Rivera, I was kind of annoyed with Lennie’s defense of Rivera. I did like the scene where Lennie and Jack were having lunch, it was always nice to see them interact and I liked seeing them in a more relaxed setting, and notice how they addressed each other by their first names in that scene, it was a good interaction. Jack and Lennie are probably my 2 favorite characters on the show so I always enjoyed their interactions. But I was 100% on Jack’s side in this discussion and like I said, it’s one of the handful of times I agreed with Rey, I didn’t like Rivera at all. 
It was nice of Jack to take the pressure off of Lennie and not make him give incriminating evidence against Rivera, instead tricking Rivera into believing he had.   
It’s a good episode overall with some good twists. 

Yeah, it's one of the few times I agreed with Rey too. The informat was too young to do what he was asked. He was underage and clearly inexperienced. Rivera should have used someone else. He clearly didn't care about the safety of his informats. Lennie was always quick to defend any cop they investigated. I get it to a point. But he's been on the force too long to not have know several dirty cops. Even just during his years on the show he's dealt with enough dirty cops to not always defend the cop. 

I like that scene too of Jack and Lennie having lunch together. It was a great scene. I wish we had more of that.  

[Xeliou66]

5 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

Yeah, it's one of the few times I agreed with Rey too. The informat was too young to do what he was asked. He was underage and clearly inexperienced. Rivera should have used someone else. He clearly didn't care about the safety of his informats. Lennie was always quick to defend any cop they investigated. I get it to a point. But he's been on the force too long to not have know several dirty cops. Even just during his years on the show he's dealt with enough dirty cops to not always defend the cop. 

I like that scene too of Jack and Lennie having lunch together. It was a great scene. I wish we had more of that.  

Yeah I rarely agreed with Rey but I did this time, Rivera was rotten, he endangered his informant and then tried to cover it up to protect his career. Yeah Lennie all too often defended any cop they looked into, it’s about the only trait of Lennie’s I dislike, it seems like after Lennie got thrown under the bus by that scumbag dirty cop Flynn in season 7 and nearly lost his job because of it he would be more suspicious when investigating cops. I loved the scene with Lennie and Jack at the restaurant though, it was great to see them interact one on one and talk about the case. It was also interesting how we got more insight into Abbie’s background prosecuting narcotics cases and I liked how Jack and Abbie went through Rivera’s case files and discovered he was using Kevin as an informant.

[Xeliou66]

I saw Empire, the episode with Julia Roberts guest starring, and I have to say this episode is not one of my favorites. Way too much soapy material with Curtis and the plot was too far fetched, why the fuck didn’t Curtis immediately get someone to take the evidence to the lab from the hotel? If the escort, Julia Roberts character, was so scared of being left alone, why didn’t Curtis call Briscoe to get the evidence to the lab immediately or call an officer either from the county they were staying in or from NYC to come and immediately transport the evidence to the lab? It wasn’t like Curtis was the only officer available in the vicinity, surely someone else could’ve gotten the evidence to the lab immediately? That was so fucking stupid.   
The whole thing just reeked of being a soap opera that was unlike L&O. Also I didn’t get why the escort said Briscoe seemed shady, that seemed like a total smear of his character, Lennie didn’t have a record of being shady, he was investigated by the Hellman commission in season 7 but he was exonerated of that. 
I did like how Adam was immediately able to get a meeting with the suspect, it was always interesting to see Adam use his clout. And I liked that Adam and Lennie interacted outside the courthouse at the end, while the head DA and a detective never shared many scenes together, I can’t help but wish Adam and Lennie had more scenes together, that would’ve been awesome. But overall this is not a very good episode, in fact it’s one of the few I would call a weak episode.

[buttersister]

1 hour ago, Xeliou66 said:

But overall this is not a very good episode, in fact it’s one of the few I would call a weak episode.

It's what you get when one of your leads is dating a movie star. Awkward as f. And a reminder that Julia Roberts does one thing well (and this wasn’t it).

[andromeda331]

7 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I saw Empire, the episode with Julia Roberts guest starring, and I have to say this episode is not one of my favorites. Way too much soapy material with Curtis and the plot was too far fetched, why the fuck didn’t Curtis immediately get someone to take the evidence to the lab from the hotel? If the escort, Julia Roberts character, was so scared of being left alone, why didn’t Curtis call Briscoe to get the evidence to the lab immediately or call an officer either from the county they were staying in or from NYC to come and immediately transport the evidence to the lab? It wasn’t like Curtis was the only officer available in the vicinity, surely someone else could’ve gotten the evidence to the lab immediately? That was so fucking stupid.   
The whole thing just reeked of being a soap opera that was unlike L&O. Also I didn’t get why the escort said Briscoe seemed shady, that seemed like a total smear of his character, Lennie didn’t have a record of being shady, he was investigated by the Hellman commission in season 7 but he was exonerated of that. 
I did like how Adam was immediately able to get a meeting with the suspect, it was always interesting to see Adam use his clout. And I liked that Adam and Lennie interacted outside the courthouse at the end, while the head DA and a detective never shared many scenes together, I can’t help but wish Adam and Lennie had more scenes together, that would’ve been awesome. But overall this is not a very good episode, in fact it’s one of the few I would call a weak episode.

I agree. I always skip that episode. It's just not any good. I love soap but when that's what the show is. That's not what Law & Order was.  At the time though it was the first time I saw Julia Roberts play a character I hated. I like Adam and Lennie at the end too. I wish we had one hour of Adam and Lennie saying one liners and joking with each other. They both were very good at it but rarely had a chance to play the joking and one liners off each other.

6 hours ago, buttersister said:

It's what you get when one of your leads is dating a movie star. Awkward as f. And a reminder that Julia Roberts does one thing well (and this wasn’t it).

I agree while it's terrible and awkward. It's less awkward then the Friends episode where Brad Pitt is a guest star back when he was still married Jennifer Aniston and plays a character who had an 'I hate Rachel' club in high school. It was funny at the time. Not so much when they divorced over his affair with Angelina Jolie who he later married.

[Xeliou66]

7 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

I agree. I always skip that episode. It's just not any good. I love soap but when that's what the show is. That's not what Law & Order was.  At the time though it was the first time I saw Julia Roberts play a character I hated. I like Adam and Lennie at the end too. I wish we had one hour of Adam and Lennie saying one liners and joking with each other. They both were very good at it but rarely had a chance to play the joking and one liners off each other.

I agree while it's terrible and awkward. It's less awkward then the Friends episode where Brad Pitt is a guest star back when he was still married Jennifer Aniston and plays a character who had an 'I hate Rachel' club in high school. It was funny at the time. Not so much when they divorced over his affair with Angelina Jolie who he later married.

Yeah I agree, it’s one of L&O’s few truly weak episodes. Just melodramatic crapola with a far fetched plot that didn’t make much sense. They went overboard on Rey’s personal life a few times and this is one of them. Only thing I really liked were Adam’s scenes and it was nice to see him and Lennie in the same scene outside of the courthouse, I wish they had found a way to have a few more scenes between them, they were both awesome characters who had some great one liners, they would’ve been fantastic together. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

UGH.  I SOOOOO wanted to bitchslap Rey in “Scrambled” for suggesting that Van Buren’s sister wasn’t meant to be a mother because she went the IVF method.

And Abbie suggesting that the reason women got abortions are because they didn’t want to use birth control?! 

Shut up, Abbie.

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[Xeliou66]

2 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

UGH.  I SOOOOO wanted to bitchslap Rey in “Scrambled” for suggesting that Van Buren’s sister and wasn’t meant to be a mother because she went the IVF method.

And Abbie suggesting that the reason women got abortions are as because they didn’t want to use birth control?! 

Shut up, Abbie.

Rey was such an ass in Scrambled. He just wouldn’t shut the fuck up about how much he disliked what the clinic was doing, and I applaud Van Buren for keeping her composure with Curtis. He was a sanctimonious prick - I really dislike him. 

I agree that Abbie’s comment didn’t make her look good either. I did like Adam’s usual grumbling in the scene when he said this was the kind of debate they didn’t want to get into. 

[andromeda331]

16 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

UGH.  I SOOOOO wanted to bitchslap Rey in “Scrambled” for suggesting that Van Buren’s sister wasn’t meant to be a mother because she went the IVF method.

And Abbie suggesting that the reason women got abortions are because they didn’t want to use birth control?! 

Shut up, Abbie.

 

16 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Rey was such an ass in Scrambled. He just wouldn’t shut the fuck up about how much he disliked what the clinic was doing, and I applaud Van Buren for keeping her composure with Curtis. He was a sanctimonious prick - I really dislike him. 

I agree that Abbie’s comment didn’t make her look good either. I did like Adam’s usual grumbling in the scene when he said this was the kind of debate they didn’t want to get into. 

I really wish Van Buren had gone off on Curtis for that comment. That was a horrible thing to say and easy for Curtis to judge the sister and the clinic since he had three kids. Clearly had zero sympathy for anyone who didn't have it easy having kids. He's such an asshole.

Abby's comment was just as terrible and really stupid if she believes that. She's worked in the DA's office and lived long enough to know the reasons for abortions none have anything to do with women being too lazy to get birth control. 

[Xeliou66]

3 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

 

I really wish Van Buren had gone off on Curtis for that comment. That was a horrible thing to say and easy for Curtis to judge the sister and the clinic since he had three kids. Clearly had zero sympathy for anyone who didn't have it easy having kids. He's such an asshole.

Abby's comment was just as terrible and really stupid if she believes that. She's worked in the DA's office and lived long enough to know the reasons for abortions none have anything to do with women being too lazy to get birth control. 

Fortunately Abbie never really said anything like that again, she could be blunt but she usually didn’t come off as an ass. Curtis on the other hand reeked of being a jackass all the time, and he was extremely judgmental about the work of the clinic, and he wouldn’t shut up about it either. His comment to Anita was awful and I applaud her for keeping her cool with him, he was such a douche. 

[Harry24]

On 6/17/2016 at 7:27 PM, roseslg said:

I like the little quizzes.  I never knew what Jack's full name was!  I can't imagine Vanessa Williams in the role.  Maybe if she channeled some of Wilhemena Slater...

Just answering a comment from seven (!!!) years ago.  I think Vanessa Williams would have made a fantastic DA after Steven Hill retired.

[Xeliou66]

Season 9 is on Sundance today - Bait is a great episode, I love the twist that Kevin was an informant for the narcotics detective Rivera, and that’s why the drug dealer shot him. 
I didn’t feel any sympathy for Rivera, he was abusing his power and breaking the rules because of how eager he was to take down big time drug dealers. This was one of the very few times I agreed with Rey and his black and white morality, Rivera didn’t deserve sympathy, and I didn’t get why Lennie felt sympathy for him and didn’t want Jack to go after him. It’s one of the only times I agreed with Rey. 
I do like the scene of Jack and Lennie eating at the cafe and discussing the case, I always love the interactions between the police/DA’s, and I liked seeing them interact in a more laid back setting and I liked how they called each other by their first names, which wasn’t often done between police and DA’s. It was a nice interaction and I wish there were more Jack/Lennie scenes. It was a clever for Jack to take the pressure off of Lennie by not asking him at the grand jury and instead tricking Rivera into thinking Lennie had testified against him, Lennie was conflicted and it was nice of Jack to take pressure off of him.

Flight is on now, another strong episode - the murderous father was so evil, killing his son because he was unhappy and miserable with his life and wanted to run away to Fiji with his mistress. I loved Skoda’s line that the murderer had “Jimmy Buffett syndrome”, wanting to live out a fantasy of escaping to the tropics. It was a great investigation figuring out when the kid was injected and who had access and zeroing in on the dad, and tracing the needle back to the building and figuring out the mistress lives there. And I liked seeing Jack go after the company even though the heavy fine was unlikely to stick. It was interesting how Jack and Adam talked about holding gun manufacturers responsible after a shooting, and that’s what Jack tried in the first episode of season 10.

Agony is up next, that’s a weird episode with how they stumbled upon a serial killer while investigating the attack, although the serial killer didn’t do that crime. It was an interesting premise but an odd episode and something about it just seemed off. 

[andromeda331]

On 1/11/2024 at 2:49 PM, Xeliou66 said:

Season 9 is on Sundance today - Bait is a great episode, I love the twist that Kevin was an informant for the narcotics detective Rivera, and that’s why the drug dealer shot him. 
I didn’t feel any sympathy for Rivera, he was abusing his power and breaking the rules because of how eager he was to take down big time drug dealers. This was one of the very few times I agreed with Rey and his black and white morality, Rivera didn’t deserve sympathy, and I didn’t get why Lennie felt sympathy for him and didn’t want Jack to go after him. It’s one of the only times I agreed with Rey. 
I do like the scene of Jack and Lennie eating at the cafe and discussing the case, I always love the interactions between the police/DA’s, and I liked seeing them interact in a more laid back setting and I liked how they called each other by their first names, which wasn’t often done between police and DA’s. It was a nice interaction and I wish there were more Jack/Lennie scenes. It was a clever for Jack to take the pressure off of Lennie by not asking him at the grand jury and instead tricking Rivera into thinking Lennie had testified against him, Lennie was conflicted and it was nice of Jack to take pressure off of him.

I had no sympathy for Rivera either. He was using teens as informants. That was dumb and dangerous. Their teenagers of course it went wrong. They don't know how to be an informant and lie and stuff. That's why you don't use them. He didn't even care that he got one killed.

I love that scene with Jack and Lennie at the cafe. It's so rare for it to be just the two of them at the cafe. We get a lot of scenes with Jack and Claire/Abby/Jamie/Serena/Connie eating together. Or the lawyers and cops. But not Jack and Lennie. I wish we had more of those scenes. I wish Lennie wasn't always so determind to defend bad cops. I get at the beginning before he finds out he's loyal. But he still is even after finding out what crimes they committed.

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Flight is on now, another strong episode - the murderous father was so evil, killing his son because he was unhappy and miserable with his life and wanted to run away to Fiji with his mistress. I loved Skoda’s line that the murderer had “Jimmy Buffett syndrome”, wanting to live out a fantasy of escaping to the tropics. It was a great investigation figuring out when the kid was injected and who had access and zeroing in on the dad, and tracing the needle back to the building and figuring out the mistress lives there. And I liked seeing Jack go after the company even though the heavy fine was unlikely to stick. It was interesting how Jack and Adam talked about holding gun manufacturers responsible after a shooting, and that’s what Jack tried in the first episode of season 10.

The dad just annoyed me. So his life isn't going well. Boohoo. He had a nice life. He chose to destroy it. If he wanted out then get a divorce. Fantasy of running off to the tropics as pathetic as it was nothing was stopping him from doing that. He didn't have to kill his son. I like Jack going after the company too. I probably won't stick but at least he tried. There should be a lot more to it to get something like that. I had to jump through hoops just to get my insulin shipped to me. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Xeliou66]

8 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

I had no sympathy for Rivera either. He was using teens as informants. That was dumb and dangerous. Their teenagers of course it went wrong. They don't know how to be an informant and lie and stuff. That's why you don't use them. He didn't even care that he got one killed.

I love that scene with Jack and Lennie at the cafe. It's so rare for it to be just the two of them at the cafe. We get a lot of scenes with Jack and Claire/Abby/Jamie/Serena/Connie eating together. Or the lawyers and cops. But not Jack and Lennie. I wish we had more of those scenes. I wish Lennie wasn't always so determind to defend bad cops. I get at the beginning before he finds out he's loyal. But he still is even after finding out what crimes they committed.

The dad just annoyed me. So his life isn't going well. Boohoo. He had a nice life. He chose to destroy it. If he wanted out then get a divorce. Fantasy of running off to the tropics as pathetic as it was nothing was stopping him from doing that. He didn't have to kill his son. I like Jack going after the company too. I probably won't stick but at least he tried. There should be a lot more to it to get something like that. I had to jump through hoops just to get my insulin shipped to me. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah Bait is one of the only times I agreed with Rey’s “black and white” view of things rather than Lennie’s “shades of gray” view, Rivera was abusing his power, and Jack was right to say he had to be held accountable for it, and Rey was right to be disgusted with him. The way Lennie usually rushed to the defense of cops is about the only thing that annoys me with Lennie, and I find it a bit odd to be honest given that a very rotten cop threw Lennie under the bus in season 7 and as a result he almost lost his job and reputation. It seems like Lennie would become more cynical about some cops motivations after that, but we never saw that. 
I do love the scene of Jack and Lennie at the cafe, just because it’s unusual to see them interact one on one in a more laid back setting, it was a really nice scene. And even though I didn’t agree with Lennie’s defense of Rivera, I thought it was nice of Jack to take the pressure off of Lennie by not directly asking him at the grand jury about his conversation with Rivera, and tricking Rivera into thinking Lennie had turned on him. I always enjoyed when Jack and Lennie had scenes together, and although they sometimes saw things differently they did have mutual respect - I remember in the Trial By Jury spin-off when Lennie became a DA’s investigator the lead prosecutor Tracy Kibre told Lennie that he was one of McCoy’s favorite cops which was a nice line that showed the mutual respect they had.

Yeah the dad is Flight was pathetic and a real sicko, he killed his kid because he wanted to run away with his mistress and didn’t want to feel bad about leaving his kid behind. He was scum. I liked that Jack tried to hold the company accountable, and hopefully the company faced some repercussions for their actions. It was interesting that Jack mentioned prosecuting gun manufacturers given that’s what he did next season. It was a really good episode, I liked the investigation a lot where Lennie and Rey traced the timeline and then connected the mistress to the building where the needle was dumped. 
 

[Spartan Girl]

11 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

The dad just annoyed me. So his life isn't going well. Boohoo. He had a nice life. He chose to destroy it. If he wanted out then get a divorce. Fantasy of running off to the tropics as pathetic as it was nothing was stopping him from doing that. He didn't have to kill his son. I like Jack going after the company too. I probably won't stick but at least he tried.

I would have preferred the ending to be the wife killed the asshole instead of the cops being too late to arrest him because of suicide. I hated that ending. She probably was going to get a dime in suing the company.

[Xeliou66]

1 hour ago, Spartan Girl said:

I would have preferred the ending to be the wife killed the asshole instead of the cops being too late to arrest him because of suicide. I hated that ending. She probably was going to get a dime in suing the company.

I didn’t mind that ending, it was very realistic that a guy like that would kill himself when his plans didn’t pan out, too bad he didn’t just kill himself first instead of killing his son if he was so miserable. 

[andromeda331]

True North-I'm glad Stephanie got the death penalty. She deserved it for murdering her husband and her stepdaughter and his first wife. It was infuriating listening to her beg not to get the death penalty because she could do better just give her a chance. She had plenty of chances before she killed an entire family. I love Jack's cross getting her more and more upset. I also love the first part too. The detectives realized pretty quick after investigating that Stephanie was behind it all.   While I do agree with Jack about another country inforcing their rules on another, it's not as if the US hasn't done that before many times. I'm glad Adam changed his mind and put the death penalty back on the table despite the deal with Canada.  

Edited July 23, 2024 by andromeda331

[Xeliou66]

Hate is a chilling episode, with the young neo Nazi scumbags and their smug bastard leader. It’s a good case with a good investigation, and I enjoyed seeing LaMotte go undercover at the Nazi gathering - it was nice to see a minor character like LaMotte get a feature role. I also liked how they realized one of the perp’s mom was afraid of him and got her to tell the truth, her son was a scary dude. The perps hate was scary, and I appreciated how they didn’t censor the hateful language used by the perps - it showed the depths of their ugly hate and made the episode more effective. The dad who wasn’t having his son spew the Nazi garbage was great, saying his father took a bullet in WWII and he wouldn’t stand for his son being a Nazi. Jack’s cross of the leader was great, especially when the leader said he wanted to eliminate racial hatred and Jack replied “how by eliminating the other races?!” that was a great retort, Adam’s “what’s the matter, they run out of people to hate” line about the Nazis killing the girl was good as well. It’s a strong episode and one of L&O’s most chilling ones.

Ramparts is good as well - unusual case in that it was a cold case from 30 years ago. The detectives did a good job cracking the case. I didn’t feel much sympathy for the perp - he killed a kid he didn’t even know just because he was angry at him for being a loud protestor, he only seemed sorry that it turned out the victim was an undercover cop, I don’t even think he would’ve felt remorse otherwise. I thought Jack was right to want to get the police files, and I didn’t care for Abbie here, she came off as authoritarian. Adam seemed to side with Jack.

14 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

True North-I'm glad Stephanie got the death penalty. She deserved it for murdering her husband and her stepdaughter and his first wife. It was infuriating listening to her beg not to get the death penalty because she could do better just give her a chance. She had plenty of chances before she killed an entire family. I love Jack's cross getting her more and more upset. I also love the first part too. The detectives realized pretty quick after investigating that Stephanie was behind it all.   While I do agree with Jack about another country inforcing their rules on another, it's not as if the US hasn't done that before many times. I'm glad Adam changed his mind and put the death penalty back on the table despite the deal with Canada.  

Stephanie was a sociopath and black widow type serial killer, she was only sorry she got caught, I didn’t buy her sudden remorse act after her conviction, she lied constantly and had killed 4 people, she was evil. It’s a good episode and I liked the detective work as well with how they quickly figured out Stephanie did it.

[buttersister]

The dreadful Empire strikes again. I’m sure someone thought they were terribly clever stunt-casting Bratt’s then-girlfriend Julia Roberts as a high-priced call girl. On a TV show.! I don’t know if this was the worst episode ever, but even Jerry Orbach saying “”schupped” doesn’t save it.

[Xeliou66]

1 hour ago, buttersister said:

The dreadful Empire strikes again. I’m sure someone thought they were terribly clever stunt-casting Bratt’s then-girlfriend Julia Roberts as a high-priced call girl. On a TV show.! I don’t know if this was the worst episode ever, but even Jerry Orbach saying “”schupped” doesn’t save it.

Empire sucks, it’s one of the few episodes I usually skip when it’s airing. Not the absolute worst episode ever but definitely one of them, the plot was ridiculous and nonsensical and the stuff with Roberts’ character and Curtis was soapy and stupid. The only thing I liked about it is Adam and Lennie having a scene together at the end - it’s such a shame they only shared the screen a couple of times because they were both awesome, I wish they had worked Adam into scenes with the police a few times, the way they worked DA Baxter into a few scenes with the police last season. Adam and Lennie having a one on one conversation would’ve been awesome. But yeah Empire sucks overall, worst episode of season 9 definitely. 

[Palimelon]

I'm in the minority in that I like Empire.

[andromeda331]

I don't like the episode either. I was so excited at the time when I heard Julia Roberts was going to be doing an episode. But the episode was so terrible. The only positive thing was at least it's better then the Brad Pitt episode on Friends. At the time he hating Rachel and having an I hate Rachel club was funny. Not so much after the affair and divorce. 

[Xeliou66]

iAgony is such a weird episode, with the discovery of the serial killer who didn’t actually do the crime the episode started with, and it was just pure coincidence that he got caught in the investigation, and then his offer to plead guilty to the crime he knew he didn’t commit knowing they would figure it out, it was all so convoluted. It was bizarre that the woman got her brother to attack her boyfriend’s ex just because the boyfriend was still focused on the ex, and it turned out the guy just got more fixated on the ex after her attack and the bonkers sister and her equally crazy brother ruined their lives for nothing - best moment of the episode was when the brother said he would make it look like some psycho did it and Abbie retorted “guess what, some psycho did do it”. It was creative for Jack to trick the serial killer with letterhead from the Houston DAs office and getting the killer to toss out his deal and then say that they would extradite because there was no deal, and I liked the scene between Jack and Abbie when Jack said he was wrong when he hid the witness the previous season and Abbie should realize she’s wrong for wanting to bend the law in this case and she shouldn’t wait until she’s facing a committee to realize it. But the whole episode was just really convoluted - and Skoda correctly profiled that the perp was inexperienced because he killed the mailman, but then when they suspected the serial killer was the culprit and he had turned out to have already killed several women, shouldn’t that have caused alarm bells to go off that maybe the serial killer didn’t do that attack? Strange episode.

Scrambled is a strong episode, with the murder at the fertility clinic, good investigation and discovery that the perp was out to destroy a specific embryo. But my god Curtis was a jackass, he just wouldn’t shut his yapper about how much he disliked the clinic, and his remark to Anita about how maybe her sister wasn’t meant to have kids was way out of line. It was par for the course for Rey though. The legal stuff was interesting as well, I liked Adam’s scenes where he said they didn’t want to be debating whether embryos were property or not, saying it would open a major can of worms, and I liked how Jack got the other couple to testify, thus avoiding the jury having to decide about the embryos.

Venom is one of L&O’s wildest plots, with the mother/son incest and them killing each other’s spouses and the son being unwilling to turn on the mom at the end. Good detective work again and the twists just kept on coming in this episode. I think the son was so warped that he was somewhat insane from years of his crazy mom’s abuse. Adam’s ending line was spot on “could be worse, she could’ve had twins” was spot on, vintage Adam. 

[andromeda331]

Yeah Curtis was an asshole in Scambled. It's easy to say that crap when he had three kids with zero problems. While others had to struggle. It's his normal 'tude everything he does is right and correct. I really wish Van Buren let him had it. She really should have. If it had been me I'd probably would have punched him. The struggle to have kid can be so hard, brutal and painful. 

Venom is a creepy one with the mother-son. The son refusing to break from mommy no matter what. It's all so messed up.

[Xeliou66]

8 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

Yeah Curtis was an asshole in Scambled. It's easy to say that crap when he had three kids with zero problems. While others had to struggle. It's his normal 'tude everything he does is right and correct. I really wish Van Buren let him had it. She really should have. If it had been me I'd probably would have punched him. The struggle to have kid can be so hard, brutal and painful. 

Venom is a creepy one with the mother-son. The son refusing to break from mommy no matter what. It's all so messed up.

Yeah Anita showed restraint in Scrambled when Rey made his comment, he was way out of line and needed to just shut his yapper. He just wouldn’t do it though, all he could talk about was how much he opposed the clinic’s work. The rest of the episode was good, I especially liked Adam’s scenes.

Venom was creepy and wild, the son was so manipulated by the mom that he wouldn’t turn on her even to help his wife. I kind of felt sorry for him. The mom was evil and it was frustrating that she walked because she was the real villain of the story.