Season 9: Hello Abbie!

[GHScorpiosRule]

On 1/14/2023 at 12:08 AM, Xeliou66 said:

Sideshow was just on, and it drives me nuts how they never show part 2 of the Homicide crossovers, that’s absurd. But while the plot of this episode was convoluted, it was really entertaining - Briscoe/Munch in DC was awesome!!

It was Baltimore. Not D.C. Homicide was set in Baltimore, MD.

[Xeliou66]

1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

It was Baltimore. Not D.C. Homicide was set in Baltimore, MD.

Lennie and Munch went to DC in that episode though. 

[Xeliou66]

Hunters was on tonight and this episode really infuriates and puzzles me - it was insane that the bounty hunters got off completely for all of the murders at the end. Even if the DA’s couldn’t prove that the shooting at the apartment was done to cover up the shooting of Bender, they still should’ve gone to trial for manslaughter for Bender’s death and manslaughter for the deaths in the apartment shooting, as well as charges for covering up the murder of Bender and trying to frame Sheridan for it. I thought it was insane that Callahan dismissed the charges outright for negligent homicide in the death of Bender, that should’ve been for a jury to decide, and they should also have been charged with manslaughter or negligent homicide for the apartment shooting. I thought even if they couldn’t prove premeditated murder it was a step too far for Callahan to dismiss all charges against the scumbag bounty hunters, they should’ve gone to trial for all 3 deaths. Infuriating episode. I did love Lennie punching one of the bounty hunters after the shooting at the apartment, it was one of the only times Briscoe lost his composure when dealing with a case. 

[andromeda331]

On 2/27/2023 at 6:04 PM, Xeliou66 said:

Hunters was on tonight and this episode really infuriates and puzzles me - it was insane that the bounty hunters got off completely for all of the murders at the end. Even if the DA’s couldn’t prove that the shooting at the apartment was done to cover up the shooting of Bender, they still should’ve gone to trial for manslaughter for Bender’s death and manslaughter for the deaths in the apartment shooting, as well as charges for covering up the murder of Bender and trying to frame Sheridan for it. I thought it was insane that Callahan dismissed the charges outright for negligent homicide in the death of Bender, that should’ve been for a jury to decide, and they should also have been charged with manslaughter or negligent homicide for the apartment shooting. I thought even if they couldn’t prove premeditated murder it was a step too far for Callahan to dismiss all charges against the scumbag bounty hunters, they should’ve gone to trial for all 3 deaths. Infuriating episode. I did love Lennie punching one of the bounty hunters after the shooting at the apartment, it was one of the only times Briscoe lost his composure when dealing with a case. 

Yeah, that's such an infuriating episode. The bounty hunters could have been charged with murder without a problem. Being bounty hunters wouldn't matter. Callahan really had no right to dismiss any of it. It was all legal despite what he or the defense attorney claimed.  I do love Lennie punching one of the bounty hunter.

 

[Xeliou66]

14 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

Yeah, that's such an infuriating episode. The bounty hunters could have been charged with murder without a problem. Being bounty hunters wouldn't matter. Callahan really had no right to dismiss any of it. It was all legal despite what he or the defense attorney claimed.  I do love Lennie punching one of the bounty hunter.

 

Yeah I thought it was absurd for Callahan to dismiss the charges against them for Bender’s death, they shot him recklessly and covered it up, and they did the same thing at the apartment. They should’ve gone to trial for manslaughter or negligent homicide. I totally failed to see Callahan’s reasoning in dismissing all the charges. It’s a good episode but that ending is infuriating and it seemed like Callahan overstepped his authority.

[andromeda331]

9 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Yeah I thought it was absurd for Callahan to dismiss the charges against them for Bender’s death, they shot him recklessly and covered it up, and they did the same thing at the apartment. They should’ve gone to trial for manslaughter or negligent homicide. I totally failed to see Callahan’s reasoning in dismissing all the charges. It’s a good episode but that ending is infuriating and it seemed like Callahan overstepped his authority.

I don't either. It makes no sense. They recklessly killed three people. They fired into an apartment with three people (and possibly kids) with no thought to anyone in there. They covered up both crimes. Really, it should have been a slam duck on murder.

[Xeliou66]

I watched Scrambled tonight, it’s an interesting case with good investigative and trial scenes, I didn’t find the defendant sympathetic at all, she was selfish and her actions resulted in the death of an innocent woman. The second wife wasn’t that likable either, she seemed selfish as well, but the defendant had no right to destroy the embryos and the defendant had absolutely no right to hire someone to break in to the clinic which resulted in a woman’s death. It was an interesting legal case. The detective work was good as well, I like how they tracked down who did it, but my god Curtis was irritating, he was an obnoxious ass to Lennie and Van Buren with his comments about the clinic and his constant preaching got tiresome, he really needed to shut up. What a jackass he could be.

 

[andromeda331]

On 4/23/2023 at 7:42 PM, Xeliou66 said:

I watched Scrambled tonight, it’s an interesting case with good investigative and trial scenes, I didn’t find the defendant sympathetic at all, she was selfish and her actions resulted in the death of an innocent woman. The second wife wasn’t that likable either, she seemed selfish as well, but the defendant had no right to destroy the embryos and the defendant had absolutely no right to hire someone to break in to the clinic which resulted in a woman’s death. It was an interesting legal case. The detective work was good as well, I like how they tracked down who did it, but my god Curtis was irritating, he was an obnoxious ass to Lennie and Van Buren with his comments about the clinic and his constant preaching got tiresome, he really needed to shut up. What a jackass he could be.

I didn't like either wife the first one someone was murdered with her little break in but the second wife was just creepy. Why would she want the embryos of her husband's ex-wife? The legal case was interesting but I just couldn't understand why she would want them in the first place. Curtis was really an ass and I really don't know how Anita didn't smack him or go off on him for his comment about her sister. Who the says that? Curtis. What an ass.

[Xeliou66]

13 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

I didn't like either wife the first one someone was murdered with her little break in but the second wife was just creepy. Why would she want the embryos of her husband's ex-wife? The legal case was interesting but I just couldn't understand why she would want them in the first place. Curtis was really an ass and I really don't know how Anita didn't smack him or go off on him for his comment about her sister. Who the says that? Curtis. What an ass.

I think the second wife wanted the embryos because of the inheritance, she would get money that would go to her kid if she had a kid using those embryos. Both wives were unlikable I agree. 
Curtis was such a jackass, I applaud Van Buren for keeping her cool when he made that remark about her sister. Curtis was so sanctimonious. 

[andromeda331]

On 4/29/2023 at 1:11 PM, Xeliou66 said:

I think the second wife wanted the embryos because of the inheritance, she would get money that would go to her kid if she had a kid using those embryos. Both wives were unlikable I agree. 

I know but it's still weird for me that she wants them.

[Xeliou66]

I saw Bait a couple of days ago, it’s an interesting episode with how the wounding of the teen in the shooting led to the case of the murder of the girl by the drug dealer and it was a good twist that Kevin was an informant for the narcotics detective. I didn’t have any sympathy for Detective Rivera, he was a rule breaker who endangered the life of his informant, he shouldn’t have been using an underage informant, period. I actually agreed with Curtis this time when he was disgusted with Rivera, and I was unsure why Lennie was sympathetic to Rivera, I was kind of annoyed with Lennie’s defense of Rivera. I did like the scene where Lennie and Jack were having lunch, it was always nice to see them interact and I liked seeing them in a more relaxed setting, and notice how they addressed each other by their first names in that scene, it was a good interaction. Jack and Lennie are probably my 2 favorite characters on the show so I always enjoyed their interactions. But I was 100% on Jack’s side in this discussion and like I said, it’s one of the handful of times I agreed with Rey, I didn’t like Rivera at all. 
It was nice of Jack to take the pressure off of Lennie and not make him give incriminating evidence against Rivera, instead tricking Rivera into believing he had.   
It’s a good episode overall with some good twists. 

[andromeda331]

9 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I saw Bait a couple of days ago, it’s an interesting episode with how the wounding of the teen in the shooting led to the case of the murder of the girl by the drug dealer and it was a good twist that Kevin was an informant for the narcotics detective. I didn’t have any sympathy for Detective Rivera, he was a rule breaker who endangered the life of his informant, he shouldn’t have been using an underage informant, period. I actually agreed with Curtis this time when he was disgusted with Rivera, and I was unsure why Lennie was sympathetic to Rivera, I was kind of annoyed with Lennie’s defense of Rivera. I did like the scene where Lennie and Jack were having lunch, it was always nice to see them interact and I liked seeing them in a more relaxed setting, and notice how they addressed each other by their first names in that scene, it was a good interaction. Jack and Lennie are probably my 2 favorite characters on the show so I always enjoyed their interactions. But I was 100% on Jack’s side in this discussion and like I said, it’s one of the handful of times I agreed with Rey, I didn’t like Rivera at all. 
It was nice of Jack to take the pressure off of Lennie and not make him give incriminating evidence against Rivera, instead tricking Rivera into believing he had.   
It’s a good episode overall with some good twists. 

Yeah, it's one of the few times I agreed with Rey too. The informat was too young to do what he was asked. He was underage and clearly inexperienced. Rivera should have used someone else. He clearly didn't care about the safety of his informats. Lennie was always quick to defend any cop they investigated. I get it to a point. But he's been on the force too long to not have know several dirty cops. Even just during his years on the show he's dealt with enough dirty cops to not always defend the cop. 

I like that scene too of Jack and Lennie having lunch together. It was a great scene. I wish we had more of that.  

[Xeliou66]

5 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

Yeah, it's one of the few times I agreed with Rey too. The informat was too young to do what he was asked. He was underage and clearly inexperienced. Rivera should have used someone else. He clearly didn't care about the safety of his informats. Lennie was always quick to defend any cop they investigated. I get it to a point. But he's been on the force too long to not have know several dirty cops. Even just during his years on the show he's dealt with enough dirty cops to not always defend the cop. 

I like that scene too of Jack and Lennie having lunch together. It was a great scene. I wish we had more of that.  

Yeah I rarely agreed with Rey but I did this time, Rivera was rotten, he endangered his informant and then tried to cover it up to protect his career. Yeah Lennie all too often defended any cop they looked into, it’s about the only trait of Lennie’s I dislike, it seems like after Lennie got thrown under the bus by that scumbag dirty cop Flynn in season 7 and nearly lost his job because of it he would be more suspicious when investigating cops. I loved the scene with Lennie and Jack at the restaurant though, it was great to see them interact one on one and talk about the case. It was also interesting how we got more insight into Abbie’s background prosecuting narcotics cases and I liked how Jack and Abbie went through Rivera’s case files and discovered he was using Kevin as an informant.

[Xeliou66]

I saw Empire, the episode with Julia Roberts guest starring, and I have to say this episode is not one of my favorites. Way too much soapy material with Curtis and the plot was too far fetched, why the fuck didn’t Curtis immediately get someone to take the evidence to the lab from the hotel? If the escort, Julia Roberts character, was so scared of being left alone, why didn’t Curtis call Briscoe to get the evidence to the lab immediately or call an officer either from the county they were staying in or from NYC to come and immediately transport the evidence to the lab? It wasn’t like Curtis was the only officer available in the vicinity, surely someone else could’ve gotten the evidence to the lab immediately? That was so fucking stupid.   
The whole thing just reeked of being a soap opera that was unlike L&O. Also I didn’t get why the escort said Briscoe seemed shady, that seemed like a total smear of his character, Lennie didn’t have a record of being shady, he was investigated by the Hellman commission in season 7 but he was exonerated of that. 
I did like how Adam was immediately able to get a meeting with the suspect, it was always interesting to see Adam use his clout. And I liked that Adam and Lennie interacted outside the courthouse at the end, while the head DA and a detective never shared many scenes together, I can’t help but wish Adam and Lennie had more scenes together, that would’ve been awesome. But overall this is not a very good episode, in fact it’s one of the few I would call a weak episode.

[buttersister]

1 hour ago, Xeliou66 said:

But overall this is not a very good episode, in fact it’s one of the few I would call a weak episode.

It's what you get when one of your leads is dating a movie star. Awkward as f. And a reminder that Julia Roberts does one thing well (and this wasn’t it).

[andromeda331]

7 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I saw Empire, the episode with Julia Roberts guest starring, and I have to say this episode is not one of my favorites. Way too much soapy material with Curtis and the plot was too far fetched, why the fuck didn’t Curtis immediately get someone to take the evidence to the lab from the hotel? If the escort, Julia Roberts character, was so scared of being left alone, why didn’t Curtis call Briscoe to get the evidence to the lab immediately or call an officer either from the county they were staying in or from NYC to come and immediately transport the evidence to the lab? It wasn’t like Curtis was the only officer available in the vicinity, surely someone else could’ve gotten the evidence to the lab immediately? That was so fucking stupid.   
The whole thing just reeked of being a soap opera that was unlike L&O. Also I didn’t get why the escort said Briscoe seemed shady, that seemed like a total smear of his character, Lennie didn’t have a record of being shady, he was investigated by the Hellman commission in season 7 but he was exonerated of that. 
I did like how Adam was immediately able to get a meeting with the suspect, it was always interesting to see Adam use his clout. And I liked that Adam and Lennie interacted outside the courthouse at the end, while the head DA and a detective never shared many scenes together, I can’t help but wish Adam and Lennie had more scenes together, that would’ve been awesome. But overall this is not a very good episode, in fact it’s one of the few I would call a weak episode.

I agree. I always skip that episode. It's just not any good. I love soap but when that's what the show is. That's not what Law & Order was.  At the time though it was the first time I saw Julia Roberts play a character I hated. I like Adam and Lennie at the end too. I wish we had one hour of Adam and Lennie saying one liners and joking with each other. They both were very good at it but rarely had a chance to play the joking and one liners off each other.

6 hours ago, buttersister said:

It's what you get when one of your leads is dating a movie star. Awkward as f. And a reminder that Julia Roberts does one thing well (and this wasn’t it).

I agree while it's terrible and awkward. It's less awkward then the Friends episode where Brad Pitt is a guest star back when he was still married Jennifer Aniston and plays a character who had an 'I hate Rachel' club in high school. It was funny at the time. Not so much when they divorced over his affair with Angelina Jolie who he later married.

[Xeliou66]

7 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

I agree. I always skip that episode. It's just not any good. I love soap but when that's what the show is. That's not what Law & Order was.  At the time though it was the first time I saw Julia Roberts play a character I hated. I like Adam and Lennie at the end too. I wish we had one hour of Adam and Lennie saying one liners and joking with each other. They both were very good at it but rarely had a chance to play the joking and one liners off each other.

I agree while it's terrible and awkward. It's less awkward then the Friends episode where Brad Pitt is a guest star back when he was still married Jennifer Aniston and plays a character who had an 'I hate Rachel' club in high school. It was funny at the time. Not so much when they divorced over his affair with Angelina Jolie who he later married.

Yeah I agree, it’s one of L&O’s few truly weak episodes. Just melodramatic crapola with a far fetched plot that didn’t make much sense. They went overboard on Rey’s personal life a few times and this is one of them. Only thing I really liked were Adam’s scenes and it was nice to see him and Lennie in the same scene outside of the courthouse, I wish they had found a way to have a few more scenes between them, they were both awesome characters who had some great one liners, they would’ve been fantastic together. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

UGH.  I SOOOOO wanted to bitchslap Rey in “Scrambled” for suggesting that Van Buren’s sister wasn’t meant to be a mother because she went the IVF method.

And Abbie suggesting that the reason women got abortions are because they didn’t want to use birth control?! 

Shut up, Abbie.

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[Xeliou66]

2 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

UGH.  I SOOOOO wanted to bitchslap Rey in “Scrambled” for suggesting that Van Buren’s sister and wasn’t meant to be a mother because she went the IVF method.

And Abbie suggesting that the reason women got abortions are as because they didn’t want to use birth control?! 

Shut up, Abbie.

Rey was such an ass in Scrambled. He just wouldn’t shut the fuck up about how much he disliked what the clinic was doing, and I applaud Van Buren for keeping her composure with Curtis. He was a sanctimonious prick - I really dislike him. 

I agree that Abbie’s comment didn’t make her look good either. I did like Adam’s usual grumbling in the scene when he said this was the kind of debate they didn’t want to get into. 

[andromeda331]

16 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

UGH.  I SOOOOO wanted to bitchslap Rey in “Scrambled” for suggesting that Van Buren’s sister wasn’t meant to be a mother because she went the IVF method.

And Abbie suggesting that the reason women got abortions are because they didn’t want to use birth control?! 

Shut up, Abbie.

 

16 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Rey was such an ass in Scrambled. He just wouldn’t shut the fuck up about how much he disliked what the clinic was doing, and I applaud Van Buren for keeping her composure with Curtis. He was a sanctimonious prick - I really dislike him. 

I agree that Abbie’s comment didn’t make her look good either. I did like Adam’s usual grumbling in the scene when he said this was the kind of debate they didn’t want to get into. 

I really wish Van Buren had gone off on Curtis for that comment. That was a horrible thing to say and easy for Curtis to judge the sister and the clinic since he had three kids. Clearly had zero sympathy for anyone who didn't have it easy having kids. He's such an asshole.

Abby's comment was just as terrible and really stupid if she believes that. She's worked in the DA's office and lived long enough to know the reasons for abortions none have anything to do with women being too lazy to get birth control. 

[Xeliou66]

3 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

 

I really wish Van Buren had gone off on Curtis for that comment. That was a horrible thing to say and easy for Curtis to judge the sister and the clinic since he had three kids. Clearly had zero sympathy for anyone who didn't have it easy having kids. He's such an asshole.

Abby's comment was just as terrible and really stupid if she believes that. She's worked in the DA's office and lived long enough to know the reasons for abortions none have anything to do with women being too lazy to get birth control. 

Fortunately Abbie never really said anything like that again, she could be blunt but she usually didn’t come off as an ass. Curtis on the other hand reeked of being a jackass all the time, and he was extremely judgmental about the work of the clinic, and he wouldn’t shut up about it either. His comment to Anita was awful and I applaud her for keeping her cool with him, he was such a douche. 

[Harry24]

On 6/17/2016 at 7:27 PM, roseslg said:

I like the little quizzes.  I never knew what Jack's full name was!  I can't imagine Vanessa Williams in the role.  Maybe if she channeled some of Wilhemena Slater...

Just answering a comment from seven (!!!) years ago.  I think Vanessa Williams would have made a fantastic DA after Steven Hill retired.

[Xeliou66]

Season 9 is on Sundance today - Bait is a great episode, I love the twist that Kevin was an informant for the narcotics detective Rivera, and that’s why the drug dealer shot him. 
I didn’t feel any sympathy for Rivera, he was abusing his power and breaking the rules because of how eager he was to take down big time drug dealers. This was one of the very few times I agreed with Rey and his black and white morality, Rivera didn’t deserve sympathy, and I didn’t get why Lennie felt sympathy for him and didn’t want Jack to go after him. It’s one of the only times I agreed with Rey. 
I do like the scene of Jack and Lennie eating at the cafe and discussing the case, I always love the interactions between the police/DA’s, and I liked seeing them interact in a more laid back setting and I liked how they called each other by their first names, which wasn’t often done between police and DA’s. It was a nice interaction and I wish there were more Jack/Lennie scenes. It was a clever for Jack to take the pressure off of Lennie by not asking him at the grand jury and instead tricking Rivera into thinking Lennie had testified against him, Lennie was conflicted and it was nice of Jack to take pressure off of him.

Flight is on now, another strong episode - the murderous father was so evil, killing his son because he was unhappy and miserable with his life and wanted to run away to Fiji with his mistress. I loved Skoda’s line that the murderer had “Jimmy Buffett syndrome”, wanting to live out a fantasy of escaping to the tropics. It was a great investigation figuring out when the kid was injected and who had access and zeroing in on the dad, and tracing the needle back to the building and figuring out the mistress lives there. And I liked seeing Jack go after the company even though the heavy fine was unlikely to stick. It was interesting how Jack and Adam talked about holding gun manufacturers responsible after a shooting, and that’s what Jack tried in the first episode of season 10.

Agony is up next, that’s a weird episode with how they stumbled upon a serial killer while investigating the attack, although the serial killer didn’t do that crime. It was an interesting premise but an odd episode and something about it just seemed off. 

[andromeda331]

On 1/11/2024 at 2:49 PM, Xeliou66 said:

Season 9 is on Sundance today - Bait is a great episode, I love the twist that Kevin was an informant for the narcotics detective Rivera, and that’s why the drug dealer shot him. 
I didn’t feel any sympathy for Rivera, he was abusing his power and breaking the rules because of how eager he was to take down big time drug dealers. This was one of the very few times I agreed with Rey and his black and white morality, Rivera didn’t deserve sympathy, and I didn’t get why Lennie felt sympathy for him and didn’t want Jack to go after him. It’s one of the only times I agreed with Rey. 
I do like the scene of Jack and Lennie eating at the cafe and discussing the case, I always love the interactions between the police/DA’s, and I liked seeing them interact in a more laid back setting and I liked how they called each other by their first names, which wasn’t often done between police and DA’s. It was a nice interaction and I wish there were more Jack/Lennie scenes. It was a clever for Jack to take the pressure off of Lennie by not asking him at the grand jury and instead tricking Rivera into thinking Lennie had testified against him, Lennie was conflicted and it was nice of Jack to take pressure off of him.

I had no sympathy for Rivera either. He was using teens as informants. That was dumb and dangerous. Their teenagers of course it went wrong. They don't know how to be an informant and lie and stuff. That's why you don't use them. He didn't even care that he got one killed.

I love that scene with Jack and Lennie at the cafe. It's so rare for it to be just the two of them at the cafe. We get a lot of scenes with Jack and Claire/Abby/Jamie/Serena/Connie eating together. Or the lawyers and cops. But not Jack and Lennie. I wish we had more of those scenes. I wish Lennie wasn't always so determind to defend bad cops. I get at the beginning before he finds out he's loyal. But he still is even after finding out what crimes they committed.

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Flight is on now, another strong episode - the murderous father was so evil, killing his son because he was unhappy and miserable with his life and wanted to run away to Fiji with his mistress. I loved Skoda’s line that the murderer had “Jimmy Buffett syndrome”, wanting to live out a fantasy of escaping to the tropics. It was a great investigation figuring out when the kid was injected and who had access and zeroing in on the dad, and tracing the needle back to the building and figuring out the mistress lives there. And I liked seeing Jack go after the company even though the heavy fine was unlikely to stick. It was interesting how Jack and Adam talked about holding gun manufacturers responsible after a shooting, and that’s what Jack tried in the first episode of season 10.

The dad just annoyed me. So his life isn't going well. Boohoo. He had a nice life. He chose to destroy it. If he wanted out then get a divorce. Fantasy of running off to the tropics as pathetic as it was nothing was stopping him from doing that. He didn't have to kill his son. I like Jack going after the company too. I probably won't stick but at least he tried. There should be a lot more to it to get something like that. I had to jump through hoops just to get my insulin shipped to me. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Xeliou66]

8 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

I had no sympathy for Rivera either. He was using teens as informants. That was dumb and dangerous. Their teenagers of course it went wrong. They don't know how to be an informant and lie and stuff. That's why you don't use them. He didn't even care that he got one killed.

I love that scene with Jack and Lennie at the cafe. It's so rare for it to be just the two of them at the cafe. We get a lot of scenes with Jack and Claire/Abby/Jamie/Serena/Connie eating together. Or the lawyers and cops. But not Jack and Lennie. I wish we had more of those scenes. I wish Lennie wasn't always so determind to defend bad cops. I get at the beginning before he finds out he's loyal. But he still is even after finding out what crimes they committed.

The dad just annoyed me. So his life isn't going well. Boohoo. He had a nice life. He chose to destroy it. If he wanted out then get a divorce. Fantasy of running off to the tropics as pathetic as it was nothing was stopping him from doing that. He didn't have to kill his son. I like Jack going after the company too. I probably won't stick but at least he tried. There should be a lot more to it to get something like that. I had to jump through hoops just to get my insulin shipped to me. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah Bait is one of the only times I agreed with Rey’s “black and white” view of things rather than Lennie’s “shades of gray” view, Rivera was abusing his power, and Jack was right to say he had to be held accountable for it, and Rey was right to be disgusted with him. The way Lennie usually rushed to the defense of cops is about the only thing that annoys me with Lennie, and I find it a bit odd to be honest given that a very rotten cop threw Lennie under the bus in season 7 and as a result he almost lost his job and reputation. It seems like Lennie would become more cynical about some cops motivations after that, but we never saw that. 
I do love the scene of Jack and Lennie at the cafe, just because it’s unusual to see them interact one on one in a more laid back setting, it was a really nice scene. And even though I didn’t agree with Lennie’s defense of Rivera, I thought it was nice of Jack to take the pressure off of Lennie by not directly asking him at the grand jury about his conversation with Rivera, and tricking Rivera into thinking Lennie had turned on him. I always enjoyed when Jack and Lennie had scenes together, and although they sometimes saw things differently they did have mutual respect - I remember in the Trial By Jury spin-off when Lennie became a DA’s investigator the lead prosecutor Tracy Kibre told Lennie that he was one of McCoy’s favorite cops which was a nice line that showed the mutual respect they had.

Yeah the dad is Flight was pathetic and a real sicko, he killed his kid because he wanted to run away with his mistress and didn’t want to feel bad about leaving his kid behind. He was scum. I liked that Jack tried to hold the company accountable, and hopefully the company faced some repercussions for their actions. It was interesting that Jack mentioned prosecuting gun manufacturers given that’s what he did next season. It was a really good episode, I liked the investigation a lot where Lennie and Rey traced the timeline and then connected the mistress to the building where the needle was dumped. 
 

[Spartan Girl]

11 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

The dad just annoyed me. So his life isn't going well. Boohoo. He had a nice life. He chose to destroy it. If he wanted out then get a divorce. Fantasy of running off to the tropics as pathetic as it was nothing was stopping him from doing that. He didn't have to kill his son. I like Jack going after the company too. I probably won't stick but at least he tried.

I would have preferred the ending to be the wife killed the asshole instead of the cops being too late to arrest him because of suicide. I hated that ending. She probably was going to get a dime in suing the company.

[Xeliou66]

1 hour ago, Spartan Girl said:

I would have preferred the ending to be the wife killed the asshole instead of the cops being too late to arrest him because of suicide. I hated that ending. She probably was going to get a dime in suing the company.

I didn’t mind that ending, it was very realistic that a guy like that would kill himself when his plans didn’t pan out, too bad he didn’t just kill himself first instead of killing his son if he was so miserable.