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[KungFuBunny]

6 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Really? Based on comments you read here, or elsewhere? Most folks here were just horrified that Rinna would say such a thing. Me, I was impressed she was able to control herself enough to not say much, much more. 

 

1 minute ago, steelcitysister said:

 

O, some folks here, some elsewhere. And I, too, was impressed she controlled herself to not say more. Because she could have, O my, yes -- and can you imagine, if she had....

I read it all over twitter while the episode of Game night was airing.

People were tweeting yeah ask her about the Beverly Hilton, ask her about Target, ask her where is Kingsley.

The general consensus was we are sick of Kim being on a reality show where none of the things happenning in her life are talked about.

They wanted at least a group of the HW's discussing it at lunch or something with or without Kim/Kyle

[SCS]

Just now, KungFuBunny said:

 

 

People were tweeting yeah ask her about the Beverly Hilton, ask her about Target, ask her where is Kingsley.

 

They wanted at least a group of the HW's discussing it at lunch or something with or without Kim/Kyle

 

And Bravo would have promoted the hell out of this as a "Must-see Moment".

[KungFuBunny]

Just now, steelcitysister said:

 

And Bravo would have promoted the hell out of this as a "Must-see Moment".

There is a big part of me that thinks Rinna was encouraged by producers to bring it up if the opportunity arose. Coming from Rinna in a fight with Kim would make sense.

[motorcitymom65]

53 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

 

I read it all over twitter while the episode of Game night was airing.

People were tweeting yeah ask her about the Beverly Hilton, ask her about Target, ask her where is Kingsley.

The general consensus was we are sick of Kim being on a reality show where none of the things happenning in her life are talked about.

They wanted at least a group of the HW's discussing it at lunch or something with or without Kim/Kyle

And that is the thing...you know they were all talking about it. The news about Kingsley's latest victim hit the media just days before Game Night. I am sure that all of these gals were whispering and wondering, just exactly like we all were over on Kim's thread when the news broke. The fact that folks that Kim has done wrong were able to keep that shit off TV is stunning. I honestly believe, at the end of the day, that Kyle is at least grateful for this, and probably why she hasn't gone harder on Rinna for what she did say. No one knows better than Kyle how Kim can provoke a person to say things they wish later that maybe they hadn't......

[zoeysmom]

1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

And that is the thing...you know they were all talking about it. The news about Kingsley's latest victim hit the media just days before Game Night. I am sure that all of these gals were whispering and wondering, just exactly like we all were over on Kim's thread when the news broke. The fact that folks that Kim has done wrong were able to keep that shit off TV is stunning. I honestly believe, at the end of the day, that Kyle is at least grateful for this, and probably why she hasn't gone harder on Rinna for what she did say. No one knows better than Kyle how Kim can provoke a person to say things they wish later that maybe they hadn't......

First rule in the RH Bible, make yourself look good.  It doesn't matter if 100,000 people cheer Rinna on for the arrest comments, LVP, Kyle, EILEEN, and Erika all groaned when Rinna brought up Kim's arrest.  So within the circle the comments were a low blow and Rinna admitted the same. No one sitting at the table wanted Rinna to go further with Kim.

It is not even remotely sane to go to a party at someone's house and bring up on going litigation that one is not a party to.  It only makes the person asking or accusing look foolish and boring.  I look at Brandi bringing up Eileen's long ago affair, she had no business doing so, even though Brandi's best friends when she was married to Eddie, stars and still does with Eileen on "The Young and The Restless".  What Kim said that night, was not really earth shattering, Eileen was rude to Dorit (one of her stop talking comments) and like blood in the water to a shark, Kim Richards was there to intervene.  Eileen groaned when RInna made the arrest comment. 

These shows are not designed to be investigatory reporting pieces.  If every time they got together the RH had to worry about being confronted about a lawsuit or a rumor, they simply would not get together.  Just as no one brought up Tom Girardi getting sued for ripping of clients (the case was eventually dismissed) it really isn't anyone else's business and has no place in most social conversations. 

I like you really like Kyle, but at some point she has to shore things up.  The idea for six months she was called an enabler by Rinna and fumbled her response the way she did at the Reunion is the reason Kyle has significant detractors.  She is either aware or she isn't.  Where Kyle is smart, is she knows when to give up the witch hunt.  She tried for a moment with Eileen and Erika to take a stand about Rinna's behavior in Hong Kong.  Dead end.  Move on.  As seemingly forgiving as Kyle is of Rinna, there will come a day when Rinna takes it for granted.  Rinna and Kyle no longer associate off camera so there is that change in their relationship.  No dinners, no lunches with Denise Richards et al, so there has been a change. 

[Martinigirl]

LOL! Proving my point over on the season 3 thread "Low blow, Rinna." 

[KungFuBunny]

1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

And that is the thing...you know they were all talking about it. The news about Kingsley's latest victim hit the media just days before Game Night. I am sure that all of these gals were whispering and wondering, just exactly like we all were over on Kim's thread when the news broke. The fact that folks that Kim has done wrong were able to keep that shit off TV is stunning. I honestly believe, at the end of the day, that Kyle is at least grateful for this, and probably why she hasn't gone harder on Rinna for what she did say. No one knows better than Kyle how Kim can provoke a person to say things they wish later that maybe they hadn't......

Kyle only sort of went at Rinna at the reunion because she really isn't mad at Rinna. She did it to show public support of Kim (cause that bitch crazy).

Kyle has many unresolved issues and extreme anger at Kim. She does enable Kim. Maybe not as much as before but the season her daughter was bitten and Kim yelled at her at the Reunion, Kyle allowed it. How did Kim have access to Kyle's house so that the next dog attack could take place? Does she have a key? Was she let in by the housekeeper?

I still say Rinna represents Kyles fuck you to Kim for still being friends with Brandi as well as all the things Kyle wants out there but can't do herself. Rinna also takes stabs at Kim on Bravo's behalf because in many ways they never really got their money's worth from Kim when she was a HW.

Edited May 2, 2017 by KungFuBunny

[zoeysmom]

7 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Kyle only sort of went at Rinna at the reunion because she really isn't mad at Rinna. She did it to show public support of Kim (cause that bitch crazy).

Kyle has many unresolved issues and extreme anger at Kim. She does enable Kim. Maybe not as much as before but the season her daughter was bitten and Kim yelled at her at the Reunion, Kyle allowed it. How did Kim have access to Kyle's house so that the next dog attack could take place? Does she have a key? Was she let in by the housekeeper?

I still say Rinna represents Kyles fuck you to Kim for still being friends with Brandi as well as all the things Kyle wants out there but can't do herself. Rinna also takes stabs at Kim on Bravo's behalf because in many ways they never really got their money's worth from Kim when she was a HW.

Kim's son lives with Kyle so access to Kyle's home isn't really a mystery.  He was present when the dog bite occurred.

I don't think the Richards sisters are really dying to have any more family skeletons unearthed on TV.  Kyle has even said, that her new TV show may cause a rift because Big Kathy were her sisters' mother as well.  Terms such as "inspired by" don't necessarily give Kyle a pass if the scripts go too far afield of the Richards' sisters reality.

I don't think Brandi talks about Kyle anymore, but she does put Rinna down at every opportunity.  I sometimes do wonder if Bravo is trying to make up for all the "where is Kim" moments.

[KungFuBunny]

48 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

LOL! Proving my point over on the season 3 thread "Low blow, Rinna." 

How funny they use the word BLOW?

lololol

[SCS]

2 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

First rule in the RH Bible, make yourself look good.  It doesn't matter if 100,000 people cheer Rinna on for the arrest comments, LVP, Kyle, EILEEN, and Erika all groaned when Rinna brought up Kim's arrest.  

Well, since the first rule of the RH Bible is to make one's self look good, I believe the groans were for effect only.

It is not even remotely sane to go to a party at someone's house and bring up on going litigation that one is not a party to.  It only makes the person asking or accusing look foolish and boring.  

Andy lives for these confrontations.

 

These shows are not designed to be investigatory reporting pieces.  If every time they got together the RH had to worry about being confronted about a lawsuit or a rumor, they simply would not get together.

 

Of course they would: 1) it's their job, and 2) Andy lives for these confrontations.

Where Kyle is smart

lololol!

Rinna and Kyle no longer associate off camera so there is that change in their relationship.

No more Kabbalah Center Koffee Time? O, dear...

[AndySmith]

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Rinna and Kyle no longer associate off camera so there is that change in their relationship

Has either woman commented on this as a fact?

[KungFuBunny]

On 5/2/2017 at 1:30 AM, AndySmith said:

Has either woman commented on this as a fact?

Kyle said they made up and were good. She really isn't mad at Rinna nor is LVP.

[motorcitymom65]

6 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Kyle said they made up and were good. She really isn't mad at Rinna nor is LVP.

Well good for them. Both have had major issues with Kim and recognize she is an asshole, even if they are rooting for her and care about her. I was having major issues with the idea that they wouldn't be able to forgive over something like this, considering the things they have said or thought about Kim. 

[sarivon]

On 5/1/2017 at 5:30 PM, zoeysmom said:

F.  Just as no one brought up Tom Girardi getting sued for ripping of clients (the case was eventually dismissed) it really isn't anyone else's business and has no place in most social conversations. 

 

This keeps getting brought up -- totally unrelated to anything that has happened on the show. Kim Richards BS behavior and people's reaction to it IS totally related to the show.

On 5/1/2017 at 5:55 PM, zoeysmom said:

 

I don't think the Richards sisters are really dying to have any more family skeletons unearthed on TV.  Kyle has even said, that her new TV show may cause a rift because Big Kathy were her sisters' mother as well.  Terms such as "inspired by" don't necessarily give Kyle a pass if the scripts go too far afield of the Richards' sisters reality.

 

 

The Bitchards are pretty trashy.

[zoeysmom]

1 minute ago, sarivon said:

This keeps getting brought up -- totally unrelated to anything that has happened on the show. Kim Richards BS behavior and people's reaction to it IS totally related to the show.

Well I don't see how Kim's dog biting someone and getting sued is related to the show anymore than Erika's husband getting sued.  The comments were about why the RH don't bring up pending litigation.  I stand by there is just no way to work it into conversation.  If for each RH the others sat around and ran down gossip and rumors about them it would not be the least bit believable that they would then hang out together.  We saw that with Eileen and LVP.  Eileen's marriage based off a romance that began with an affair  is not something she wants discussed or referred to and still holds a major grudge about it towards LVP.

Kim's first arrest was supposedly related to her reaction after watching her asshole behavior after the Reunion.  Kim's subsequent arrest raised the question, "what is going on with Kim."  She also got arrested during filming.  It was addressed by Kyle and it was not brought up again except by her detractors.   I don't know why  anyone would want to talk about Kim's recovery or even care what she is doing let alone people who loathe her.  I don't think you can have it both ways, talk about Kim and her exploits and then turn around and claim she is using the gossipers as her meal ticket.  Last season the ladies learned a lesson when after their smart ass comments about Brandi, she was allowed to tape a very caustic monologue.  If they don't want to talk about Kim-don't bring her up.

[sarivon]

Just now, zoeysmom said:

Well I don't see how Kim's dog biting someone and getting sued is related to the show anymore than Erika's husband getting sued. 

 

Kim is a cast member (sometimes more, sometimes less but always around) and Lisa Rinna was directly provoked many times by Kim. Tom is barely on the radar of this show. Easy.

[WireWrap]

11 minutes ago, sarivon said:

 

Kim is a cast member (sometimes more, sometimes less but always around) and Lisa Rinna was directly provoked many times by Kim. Tom is barely on the radar of this show. Easy.

But, he is still on the show, so anything involving him should be considered fair game. Either the rules apply to all of the cast members or they don't apply to any of them. Would it have been fair for Dorit to bring up the fact that Erika basically abandoned her only child to move to the west coast to end up working as a waitress (something she could have done in NY/NJ just as easily) because Erika cosigned a nasty tweet condemning Dorit's mothering skills because she has nannies helping her with her kids? Again, these rules are either applied to all of them or none of them.

[zoeysmom]

4 minutes ago, sarivon said:

 

Kim is a cast member (sometimes more, sometimes less but always around) and Lisa Rinna was directly provoked many times by Kim. Tom is barely on the radar of this show. Easy.

It isn't about degrees of relevance to the show, it is about how or why would one bring it up?  It goes more to the person raising the question's integrity than the person involved in the issue.  When Yolanda's daughter got a DUI, no one asked her about it-she brought it up-except Brandi and that comment reflected very poorly on Brandi.  I could understand if they were sitting around talking about who is getting sued asking about Kim and Kyle getting sued but just to throw it out there-too RInnaesque.  I understand what people are saying, I just don't think there is a way to work it in to the conversation.  It is pending litigation, the only response would be she (they) were advised to not talk about it.  Of course next year if Rinna and Erika sit down to coffee with the woman who was attacked it would be relevant.  Just as they used Eden to make Kim's alcoholism relevant and talked about way too much.

This is just my opinion but when they start taking random accusations by outsiders to the show it degrades the quality.  RHOA had a situation with a disgruntled former employee and the employee enlisted the help of another RH and it was just tawdry.  More so for the RH that allowed the situation to be discussed and assisted than the RH who allegedly didn't properly compensate the employee.  Another example Kim's son lives with Kyle, yet no one has brought it up.  My guess is because it really isn't any of their business and asking about it says more about them than it does Kim, Kyle or Chad.  If I were to wager a guess as to why, it is because Chad suffers from mental illness and it doesn't work with Chad living with Kim.  So that leaves the question, why doesn't he live with Kim?  What mental illness does he have? Is he getting treatment? Does it affect  any of the other RH? No.  Does asking about serve any purpose other than to open up questions about the Chad's mental health?  No. 

[KungFuBunny]

25 minutes ago, sarivon said:

 

Kim is a cast member (sometimes more, sometimes less but always around) and Lisa Rinna was directly provoked many times by Kim. Tom is barely on the radar of this show. Easy.

Kim owes Bravo for the first few seasons getting a paycheck. She was either late or a no show.

Throwback Wednesday

[SCS]

2 hours ago, WireWrap said:

 Either the rules apply to all of the cast members or they don't apply to any of them. 

IMO, Tom G hardly counts as a cast member. 

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Would it have been fair for Dorit to bring up the fact that Erika basically abandoned her only child to move to the west coast to end up working as a waitress (something she could have done in NY/NJ just as easily) because Erika cosigned a nasty tweet condemning Dorit's mothering skills because she has nannies helping her with her kids? Again, these rules are either applied to all of them or none of them.

 

Actually, yes, altho I wouldn't use the term abandon. But, to your point and speaking for myself only, it would not have bothered me if Ericka had been questioned about this. It would have been interesting.

[motorcitymom65]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

Well I don't see how Kim's dog biting someone and getting sued is related to the show anymore than Erika's husband getting sued.  The comments were about why the RH don't bring up pending litigation.  I stand by there is just no way to work it into conversation.  If for each RH the others sat around and ran down gossip and rumors about them it would not be the least bit believable that they would then hang out together.  We saw that with Eileen and LVP.  Eileen's marriage based off a romance that began with an affair  is not something she wants discussed or referred to and still holds a major grudge about it towards LVP.

Kim's first arrest was supposedly related to her reaction after watching her asshole behavior after the Reunion.  Kim's subsequent arrest raised the question, "what is going on with Kim."  She also got arrested during filming.  It was addressed by Kyle and it was not brought up again except by her detractors.   I don't know why  anyone would want to talk about Kim's recovery or even care what she is doing let alone people who loathe her.  I don't think you can have it both ways, talk about Kim and her exploits and then turn around and claim she is using the gossipers as her meal ticket.  Last season the ladies learned a lesson when after their smart ass comments about Brandi, she was allowed to tape a very caustic monologue.  If they don't want to talk about Kim-don't bring her up.

Seriously? Well, just off the top of my head.....almost an entire season (either 3 or 4) was about Kim training her wayward dog. Correct? Kyle was asked at that reunion if she was afraid of the dog. She said she was. Then the next season, Kim's wayward dog attacks Kyle's daughter, the discussion of which was probably the most intense of the S5 reunion. The very idea that her issues with her dog (or anything else) are in any way comparable to Tom is just hysterical. 

My comments were not just about bringing up litigation - they were about throwing out truths - no matter what they are - if you really wanted to piss someone off or hurt them. I am not saying that they should, I am saying they are better people than I am in some cases (as Lisar is with Kim) because if someone were telling me that I am a terrible person and that  I never take ownership for my behavior, I would start talking if that person were Kim Richards. Because she is a terrible person and never takes ownership and I would refuse to take that shit from her without throwing out examples of my own. And to be very very clear, I would do an excellent job of working it into conversation. It would be seamless and flawless. Tell me I am horrible and I would ask about what the gal that she refused to call the ambulance for thought about her. When she called me a liar I would very simply ask her how it felt to ask the gal who was bleeding to lie about how the dog bite had occurred. I would tell her she must know something about lying after all these years of hiding her dog. Or I would throw out any of the other shit that Kim has been involved in that has nothing to do with the dog. It's not hard to work mean shit into conversation when someone is being really mean to you. What is really hard is not throwing that mean shit out and you know that Rinna desperately wanted to. 

[WireWrap]

47 minutes ago, steelcitysister said:

IMO, Tom G hardly counts as a cast member. 

 

Actually, yes, altho I wouldn't use the term abandon. But, to your point and speaking for myself only, it would not have bothered me if Ericka had been questioned about this. It would have been interesting.

Tom was on the show twice this season, about the same as HH and Vince. He is a cast member, just as  are.

I also wish someone would bring up Erika leaving her 3 year old behind, especially since she likes to describe herself as a "single mom".

[SCS]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

Tom was on the show twice this season, about the same as HH and Vince. He is a cast member, just as  are.

 

 

Yes, but I don't consider Tom or Harry or Vince  "cast members", to use your terminology -- I consider them husbands of cast members. Same with PK and Ken and Maurice who make themselves more conspicuous and seem to enjoy their time on camera.

I also wish someone would bring up Erika leaving her 3 year old behind, especially since she likes to describe herself as a "single mom".

Someone? Lots of someones have brought that nugget up. But if it's so important and you want Erika to address it on camera, maybe you should send an email or tweet or FB to Andy and ask him to raise the issue with her during her next WWHL visit.

[WireWrap]

41 minutes ago, steelcitysister said:

 

Yes, but I don't consider Tom or Harry or Vince  "cast members", to use your terminology -- I consider them husbands of cast members. Same with PK and Ken and Maurice who make themselves more conspicuous and seem to enjoy their time on camera.

 

 

Someone? Lots of someones have brought that nugget up. But if it's so important and you want Erika to address it on camera, maybe you should send an email or tweet or FB to Andy and ask him to raise the issue with her during her next WWHL visit.

They are cast members, second only to the HWs.

Another HW should bring it up, not a viewer.

[SCS]

26 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

They are cast members, second only to the HWs.

Another HW should bring it up, not a viewer.

 

Nahhhh, matter of opinion. And if a HW doesn't bring it up but it remains something in which you seemingly take a deep and abiding interest, why not tickle Andy's ear? He loves viewer questions that put the HWs in the hot seat.

[WireWrap]

1 minute ago, steelcitysister said:

 

Nahhhh, matter of opinion. And if a HW doesn't bring it up but it remains something in which you seemingly take a deep and abiding interest, why not tickle Andy's ear? He loves viewer questions that put the HWs in the hot seat.

Because Andy would never press her for an honest answer. LOL Another HW might though!

[AndySmith]

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Another HW should bring it up, not a viewer.

Unless one of the HWs is a sock-puppet for the viewers, it doesn't seem like any of the other HWs really gives a crap when it comes to this issue. So chances are none of them will be bringing it up, unless someone decides to go nuclear in a really nasty fight between Ericka and someone else.

[zoeysmom]

No more First Looks for Eden:  http://pagesix.com/2017/05/04/vidal-sassoons-daughter-confirms-rhobh-exit/

[zoeysmom]

14 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Seriously? Well, just off the top of my head.....almost an entire season (either 3 or 4) was about Kim training her wayward dog. Correct? Kyle was asked at that reunion if she was afraid of the dog. She said she was. Then the next season, Kim's wayward dog attacks Kyle's daughter, the discussion of which was probably the most intense of the S5 reunion. The very idea that her issues with her dog (or anything else) are in any way comparable to Tom is just hysterical. 

My comments were not just about bringing up litigation - they were about throwing out truths - no matter what they are - if you really wanted to piss someone off or hurt them. I am not saying that they should, I am saying they are better people than I am in some cases (as Lisar is with Kim) because if someone were telling me that I am a terrible person and that  I never take ownership for my behavior, I would start talking if that person were Kim Richards. Because she is a terrible person and never takes ownership and I would refuse to take that shit from her without throwing out examples of my own. And to be very very clear, I would do an excellent job of working it into conversation. It would be seamless and flawless. Tell me I am horrible and I would ask about what the gal that she refused to call the ambulance for thought about her. When she called me a liar I would very simply ask her how it felt to ask the gal who was bleeding to lie about how the dog bite had occurred. I would tell her she must know something about lying after all these years of hiding her dog. Or I would throw out any of the other shit that Kim has been involved in that has nothing to do with the dog. It's not hard to work mean shit into conversation when someone is being really mean to you. What is really hard is not throwing that mean shit out and you know that Rinna desperately wanted to. 

I guess you explained your position and I was specifically addressing why they don't bring up others' pending litigation.  I am not comparing Tom ripping off his clients to Kingsley ripping out the crouch of a woman's pants.  What they had in common was both Tom and Kim were subjects of lawsuits.   I am seriously addressing why they the producers and the women do not want to discuss pending litigation. 

Kim made a comment about Rinna and Eileen bouncing off each other and then specifically said Rinna makes excuses.  From there it went to not apologizing for Rinna had done to Kim  (which eventually that night Rinna apologized for her very acts and even went further and said she was intentional and mean).  So Rinna did get her Kim digs in and I guess she could bring up Kingsley.  Kim never said Rinna or Eileen were terrible people.  She said Rinna is not sincere.  She didn't call her a liar.  She also called her fake and phony.  Still didn't call her a liar.

Rinna did throw out an example when she said, "let's talk about you arrest," it was not well received.  What would make one think talking about Kim's dog would be better received?  There is also the Kyle factor as she is the target defendant.  So to "win" a point against Kim, she would bury Kyle?  Rinna is smarter than to bury Kyle.

So let's take it one step further, Kim is a liar, would it be okay for her to say Eileen knows something about lying, she lied to her husband and the world about her affair with Vince?  How did Vince's wife feel being lied to?  Saw the divorce papers Eileen, things weren't that rosy between Betsy and Vince.  So don't lie Eileen.   Eileen you also lied each time you said you were okay after LVP apologized.  You are a liar Eileen.  The conversation goes nowhere. 

Rinna has no first hand knowledge of what went down at Kyle's house so can she really call Kim a liar?  Maybe the victim is lying.  There has been no judicial determination.  Which brings me back to why these people stay away from talking about pending litigation.  I just know these shows work far better if they don't go too far off what happens between the women and the rest of the cast.  To me, the biggest and worst insults were Brandi bringing up Adrienne's surrogacy, as proof of Adrienn lying, and Eileen's affair as proof of Eileen being a liar and cheat.  Neither of those situations had anything to do with Brandi.  It did cause hurt and humiliation to Paul and Adrienne, which LVP was dying to achieve.  After masterfully bringing that up LVP has had to live with people calling her manipulative.  There is a downside to every accusation or well placed "truth". 

I was kind of ticked when Kim said she could not discuss her arrest at the Reunion.  I figured she had plead guilty case closed.  Then I realized Kim has a three year tail because she is on probation.  Come September she may very well go to jail.  So as much as I wanted to know, Kim's response was valid. 

[zoeysmom]

13 hours ago, WireWrap said:

They are cast members, second only to the HWs.

Another HW should bring it up, not a viewer.

Erika is headed into her third season, no telling who they are bringing aboard next, it might be someone who takes offense at Erika's characterizations of single parenting.  Third seasons are traditionally rough for RH.  We saw Taylor and Adrienne go down, Brandi go down after their third full seasons.  Rinna loves going down so she will continue to be contentious until she and Harry and their model daughters get a spin-off on E!. 

I don't think Bravo is getting their value added with Erika.  Even Erika's biggest worshippers, Bryan Moylan, pointed out that Erika going to Greece was essentially her same audience on vacation in Greece.  Bravo seems to be pimping the stupid blue bunny as much as anything else.

[WireWrap]

20 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Erika is headed into her third season, no telling who they are bringing aboard next, it might be someone who takes offense at Erika's characterizations of single parenting.  Third seasons are traditionally rough for RH.  We saw Taylor and Adrienne go down, Brandi go down after their third full seasons.  Rinna loves going down so she will continue to be contentious until she and Harry and their model daughters get a spin-off on E!. 

I don't think Bravo is getting their value added with Erika.  Even Erika's biggest worshippers, Bryan Moylan, pointed out that Erika going to Greece was essentially her same audience on vacation in Greece.  Bravo seems to be pimping the stupid blue bunny as much as anything else.

I agree, they aren't getting their moneys worth with Erika. Hopefully she will be more open/relaxed next season and show more of her real life, not the glam squad/ErikaJ life but her real life with Tom.

[AndySmith]

Wasn't the rough third season idea posted about Dorinda too on one of the NYC threads? In any case, the third season wasn't too rough for LVP or Kyle, and Eileen and Rinna seemed to have survived their third seasons in tact as well. I don't really see any of the HWs going after Ericka's characterizations of single parenting; people on here seem to care about it much more than the rest of the HWs do.

Money's worth? She was involved in one of the biggest plots of the season that people offline kept discussing and discussing, and is popular with the viewing audience. I'd say they got their money's worth.

[zoeysmom]

11 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I agree, they aren't getting their moneys worth with Erika. Hopefully she will be more open/relaxed next season and show more of her real life, not the glam squad/ErikaJ life but her real life with Tom.

This is a tough franchise because of breakaway star LVP.  Major moneymaker for Bravo, like Bethenny RHONYC.  Kyle has had tremendous success as well with her various endeavors since joining the show and she is pretty much the go to spokesperson at this point.  She keeps the job because she doesn't have huge fights going with a cast member and she knows how to be part of an ensemble cast.  Yolanda (her daughters) was another huge hit for Bravo.  Forever those supermodels will have Bravo to thank for their initial public exposure.  Nene Leakes is another find for Bravo and of course Teresa Giudice.  They all had a common thread they put their family life front and center-not a Glam Squad.  Erika is kind of an acquired taste, but the Glam Squad are just annoying.  I have had enough of Erika's mom for awhile.   Maybe this will be the year Tom retires.

[AndySmith]

Do these women really make money for Bravo besides their spin-offs? I wasn't aware Bravo was getting a percentage of Skinny Girl profits, or from Teresa's cookbooks, Gigi's modeling gigs, etc. And in some of these cases, as big as these women are, these women need Bravo as much as much Barvo needs them.

By that logic, any HW who isn't in that select spin-off club is a complete failure.

Also, Kyle has her feuds and huge fights with some of her cast-mates (Camille during season 1, Brandi during season 5, among others).

[WireWrap]

43 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

This is a tough franchise because of breakaway star LVP.  Major moneymaker for Bravo, like Bethenny RHONYC.  Kyle has had tremendous success as well with her various endeavors since joining the show and she is pretty much the go to spokesperson at this point.  She keeps the job because she doesn't have huge fights going with a cast member and she knows how to be part of an ensemble cast.  Yolanda (her daughters) was another huge hit for Bravo.  Forever those supermodels will have Bravo to thank for their initial public exposure.  Nene Leakes is another find for Bravo and of course Teresa Giudice.  They all had a common thread they put their family life front and center-not a Glam Squad.  Erika is kind of an acquired taste, but the Glam Squad are just annoying.  I have had enough of Erika's mom for awhile.   Maybe this will be the year Tom retires.

I agree. There are a few select HWs that bring both money via products, (except for SKG), spin offs, being spokes HWs for the network, in addition to their HW show role. I also agree that all of them showcase their families (husbands/children) on the show (for better or worse). Those that don't have family willing/able to film with them don't seem to last long, the exception being Kenya but she had her Aunt/cousin/father that have been on fairly regular each season. Even Brandi has said that viewers not seeing her with her sons hurt her and made her less relatable in the long run. Tom doesn't seem willing to film all that much and I doubt her mother will be seen much after this season. I understand why her son isn't shown and I agree with that decision but Erika needs Tom to film more, to give her more balance and more insight into her real life. AND, Please, No more glam squad/Mikey on camera unless they are showing her get ready for a concert. LOL Erika needs to lower her walls and allow viewers to get to know her, this Ice Queen act will only get her so far.

[KungFuBunny]

On 5/1/2017 at 6:45 PM, motorcitymom65 said:

And that is the thing...you know they were all talking about it. The news about Kingsley's latest victim hit the media just days before Game Night. I am sure that all of these gals were whispering and wondering, just exactly like we all were over on Kim's thread when the news broke. The fact that folks that Kim has done wrong were able to keep that shit off TV is stunning. I honestly believe, at the end of the day, that Kyle is at least grateful for this, and probably why she hasn't gone harder on Rinna for what she did say. No one knows better than Kyle how Kim can provoke a person to say things they wish later that maybe they hadn't......

When Rinna was talking to Eden in the boutique and said Kim is this close to death, it makes me think that Kyle did say those things to Rinna off camera and not that far back in time. It might have happenned when Kim disappeared in Mexico, or the BH arrest, or the Target arrest, or after the Dr Phil interview. It could also have been said because of some other incident that didn't make the news. It seems like Kim's children bitch to Aunt Kyle often.

For all the things Kim did that did make TMZ headlines, it would have been normal for the other HW's to talk about it on film. Kyle might not want to talk about it. But it could have come up as a conversation between Eileen and Rinna, oh my gosh, how do you get arrested at a Target? Are you that hard up that you can't afford stickers? Was it "induced"?

[Martinigirl]

5 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

When Rinna was talking to Eden in the boutique and said Kim is this close to death, it makes me think that Kyle did say those things to Rinna off camera and not that far back in time. It might have happenned when Kim disappeared in Mexico, or the BH arrest, or the Target arrest, or after the Dr Phil interview. It could also have been said because of some other incident that didn't make the news. It seems like Kim's children bitch to Aunt Kyle often.

For all the things Kim did that did make TMZ headlines, it would have been normal for the other HW's to talk about it on film. Kyle might not want to talk about it. But it could have come up as a conversation between Eileen and Rinna, oh my gosh, how do you get arrested at a Target? Are you that hard up that you can't afford stickers? Was it "induced"?

I could have sworn Kyle actually said the words "kim is close to death" on TV last season.  Kyle def said "I'm afraid I will get a phone call in the middle of the night that Kim is dead". Maybe not exact word for word but damn close

Edited May 4, 2017 by Martinigirl

[Jamie Satyr]

12 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

I could have sworn Kyle actually said the words "kim is close to death" on TV last season.  Kyle def said "I'm afraid I will get a phone call in the middle of the night that Kim is dead". Maybe not exact word for word but damn close

So what? Does that give Rinna carte blanche to talk about Kim to some complete stranger? Why doesn't Rinna talk about her own fk'n life? It's supposed to be so rich and rewarding! If Kyle takes her back after this, she truly is more disturbed than her sister!  ;-(

[WireWrap]

6 minutes ago, Jamie Satyr said:

So what? Does that give Rinna carte blanche to talk about Kim to some complete stranger? Why doesn't Rinna talk about her own fk'n life? It's supposed to be so rich and rewarding! If Kyle takes her back after this, she truly is more disturbed than her sister!  ;-(

I agree! Kyle said this in a conversation early during filming for season 6, which was filmed a year before Rinna made this claim to Eden, and, Rinna had no current info about either Kim's addiction status or Kyle's concerns since then. Rinna admitted on air, in a TH, that Kyle said that to all of them when they were in the Hamptons. Sadly, Kyle will play nice with Rinna again but only, IMO, because they are both on the show but I doubt they will get together off camera like they use to do.

[KungFuBunny]

23 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

I could have sworn Kyle actually said the words "kim is close to death" on TV last season.  Kyle def said "I'm afraid I will get a phone call in the middle of the night that Kim is dead". Maybe not exact word for word but damn close

Kyle did say it in an episode that aired. I do think she said it again to Rinna at a later date.

Kyle got a lot of flack for outing Kim's alcoholism on National TV. There's some major dysfunction amongst the 3 sisters. What better way to get that stuff out there than blabbing it to someone else so they can do it. I think Kyle LOOOOVES Rinna for doing it but will for appearance sake show shock and surprise for Kim

[Martinigirl]

Rinna  didn't tell some big secret. Everyone and their Mother had already heard the stories. Shame on Kyle for not looking at it as a possible blessing in disguise. Maybe Eden could have been of some help. Nope, Kyle would rather be an enabler to batchit crazy Kim.  Sweep everything under the rug. It boggles the mind!

[AndySmith]

I think Kyle has mentioned on more than one occasion that she was scared that she would get The Phone Call about Kim one day...

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but I doubt they will get together off camera like they use to do.

They probably will. Kyle seems over it all already.

[zoeysmom]

2 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I agree! Kyle said this in a conversation early during filming for season 6, which was filmed a year before Rinna made this claim to Eden, and, Rinna had no current info about either Kim's addiction status or Kyle's concerns since then. Rinna admitted on air, in a TH, that Kyle said that to all of them when they were in the Hamptons. Sadly, Kyle will play nice with Rinna again but only, IMO, because they are both on the show but I doubt they will get together off camera like they use to do.

The problem with Rinna's statement is she said "the next thing that will happen. . . . " so she wasn't referencing a past statement she and Eden were predicting the future as Rinna felt Kyle continued to "enable" Kim by not checking her at the Game Night dinner.  Rinna has a very different idea what enabling is than many.  Reasonable people believe that once the alcoholic cleans up you resume and enjoy your relationship, as long as they are not drinking.  From the way Rinna made it sound is once they are addicted you never go back and show love or support.  Eden was pretty proud of herself for deleting her sister the day before her death.   Kyle has been off Rinna since last season.  To me, it seemed like the Munchausen's conversation at dinner was a foreshadowing for Kyle that Rinna was not trustworthy and has an agenda.   Rinna has repeatedly shown she cannot be trusted on or off camera. 

Well the best measure is social media and there has been nothing since the two stopped filming last season.  They did the Reunion, the next day you see Kyle and LVP shopping, Kyle talking about having dinner with the Kemsleys, including a dinner in NYC with PK, Boy George and Kyle.  I don't even see Kyle retweeting the Hamlin girls modeling activities. Kyle enjoyed the season and she is this year's White Party Queen in Palm Springs.  Here is an interview:  http://ktla.com/2017/05/03/kyle-richards-on-what-keeps-her-coming-back-to-the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/

[KungFuBunny]

2 hours ago, AndySmith said:

I think Kyle has mentioned on more than one occasion that she was scared that she would get The Phone Call about Kim one day...

They probably will. Kyle seems over it all already.

Yes, she doesn't seem to have a problem with Rinna.

[motorcitymom65]

21 hours ago, WireWrap said:

They are cast members, second only to the HWs.

Another HW should bring it up, not a viewer.

I am not sure that the other HW's have as much interest in this topic as do some viewers.

All of these gals have things that they would rather not have addressed on the show. Events that happened to them long before they came on the show that they would rather not make fodder for discussion and analysis on the show. Probably things that involve other people that are not on the show and I would think that keeping the privacy of folks that want their privacy would be important. Every single person in the world could say the exact same thing about things in their past. My guess is that Erika might open up about this at some point, and then again maybe she will not. As far as I am aware, we have knowledge of her situation because she has spoken about it in the press. Maybe she will open up about it more later on. I would think that the others are more than OK with her having things from her past that she doesn't bring to the show because they would like the same consideration. 

[motorcitymom65]

3 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Kyle did say it in an episode that aired. I do think she said it again to Rinna at a later date.

Kyle got a lot of flack for outing Kim's alcoholism on National TV. There's some major dysfunction amongst the 3 sisters. What better way to get that stuff out there than blabbing it to someone else so they can do it. I think Kyle LOOOOVES Rinna for doing it but will for appearance sake show shock and surprise for Kim

I don't know if Kyle loves Rinna doing it, but I do think there is a part that exhales a bit when Kim is shown to be an asshole. She gets a look on her face sometimes when Kim is being outrageous. She rolled her eyes twice that I noticed when Kim was being overly dramatic and gave Andy a knowing look. I think that when Kim acts this way, Kyle is saying "see what crazy shit I have had to put up with for years. Understand now why I outed her in the back of the limo now people"? 

Rinna was so on the verge of saying something at the reunion. When Kyle was defending Kim, Rinna said, something like "Kyle you know what I am talking about". I really think she wanted to say so much more, more about conversations they have had and things they have shared. About Kyle admitting that she understood where Rinna was coming from. 

[WireWrap]

11 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I am not sure that the other HW's have as much interest in this topic as do some viewers.

All of these gals have things that they would rather not have addressed on the show. Events that happened to them long before they came on the show that they would rather not make fodder for discussion and analysis on the show. Probably things that involve other people that are not on the show and I would think that keeping the privacy of folks that want their privacy would be important. Every single person in the world could say the exact same thing about things in their past. My guess is that Erika might open up about this at some point, and then again maybe she will not. As far as I am aware, we have knowledge of her situation because she has spoken about it in the press. Maybe she will open up about it more later on. I would think that the others are more than OK with her having things from her past that she doesn't bring to the show because they would like the same consideration. 

All true but no went at her via retweeting something nasty about her leaving her 3 year old behind when she moved to LA like she did Dorit/nannies. IMO, doing that crossed a big ugly line but I think she is safe until Rinna turns on her. The others all have better manners and better social graces than either Erika or Rinna have and Erika better never tick Rinna off or else! LOL 

Edited May 5, 2017 by WireWrap

[motorcitymom65]

1 minute ago, WireWrap said:

All true but no went at her via retweeting something nasty about her leaving her 3 year old behind when she moved to LA like she did Dorit/nannies. IMO, doing that crossed a big ugly line but I think she is safe until Rinna turns on her. The others all have better manners and better social graces than either Erika or Rinna have. LOL 

Dorit made the nanny deal part of her storyline. We were all talking about the nanny situation and Dorit herself said that people are always asking her why she needs so many nannies. It was on the show. If Erika's situation with her son does enter the show, then Dorit or anyone else is free to tweet about it freely and make whatever judgment they want. 

I would think that Erika needs to worry more about LVP than Rinna. LVP will go there with things that the others don't want to talk about on camera faster than any of the others will, as per past history. 

[WireWrap]

17 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Dorit made the nanny deal part of her storyline. We were all talking about the nanny situation and Dorit herself said that people are always asking her why she needs so many nannies. It was on the show. If Erika's situation with her son does enter the show, then Dorit or anyone else is free to tweet about it freely and make whatever judgment they want. 

I would think that Erika needs to worry more about LVP than Rinna. LVP will go there with things that the others don't want to talk about on camera faster than any of the others will, as per past history. 

Lisa has never discussed someone else's children/their parenting and I have no doubts that Rinna would go there, Rinna is sooooo like Brandi that it is scary! Erika has talked about her son on the show and talked about how hard it was being a single mom raising him, so by your standards, it is fair game.

Edited May 5, 2017 by WireWrap

[motorcitymom65]

26 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Lisa has never discussed someone else's children/their parenting and I have no doubts that Rinna would go there, Rinna is sooooo like Brandi that it is scary! Erika has talked about her son on the show and talked about how hard it was being a single mom raising him, so by your standards, it is fair game.

She brought up Eileen's "affair" even after Eileen sat on the reunion stage and said that taking about it on the show had caused her and her kids great pain. She certainly knew that talking about the Mauricio cheating rumors would cause great pain to Kyle, and therefore to her family. Just because someone doesn't directly bring up the children or parenting style doesn't mean they aren't "going there". It is easy to believe that Rinna might, but we know that LVP has. In the case of one it is just a guess, in the case of the other it is a fact. 

I am not saying that it's not fair game. They can bring up what they want. I am saying that the gals might be unhappy if they did, which I don't think most of them want because they have things of their own they want to remain private or have control of the narrative. LVP has mentioned some of the issues that Max went through, at her own pace and in her own way. Trying to protect him I am sure. I think it would be shitty if someone else brought up any of these things in a way that would taint the way she has tried to carefully handle the situation. Certainly they can all do it if they want because she introduced the topic, but I don't think that makes it right and I don't think it would make LVP happy. And if it makes LVP unhappy, it will make her fans unhappy and the gal that did the deed would face the backlash. 

Edited May 5, 2017 by motorcitymom65