Small Talk: Sensible People

[David T. Cole]

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[Crim]

Riley question. Does anyone know what headphone those are?

[Mindthinkr]

After watching this, have you ever sat looking at something and thought about the possibilities of someone else seeing what you are seeing in that moment? 

[possibilities]

It's questions like this that make the show so interesting to me, not the conspiracy stuff.

[alexvillage]

Started watching this show on Netflix and I am surprisingly drawn to it. Like the characters, like the premise of the show (despite not caring about "telepathy"), not so much into the story (is there an actual story?) but really love the direction. The transitions, the photography, it is all done beautifully. 

Really like to see a trans actor playing a trans character. TV needs a lot more representation, everywhere.

The one thing that I don't really care about is the amount of sex, almost explicit sex, the few episodes I watched have. I am no prude but it feels like a downer to me (or maybe I am a prude because I can't really understand how actors can seem to fake the act of sex so well. I mean, are they this good? Are they using porn stars as body doubles?).

[jhlipton]

21 hours ago, alexvillage said:

I can't really understand how actors can seem to fake the act of sex so well. I mean, are they this good? Are they using porn stars as body doubles?

They're doing whatever the actors and actresses are comfortable with.  If you notice, Kala and Sun are never topless, and Capheus isn't in most. 

[alexvillage]

1 hour ago, jhlipton said:

They're doing whatever the actors and actresses are comfortable with.  If you notice, Kala and Sun are never topless, and Capheus isn't in most. 

I know, I don't think they are being forced (or at least not explicitly forced). It is the realism of some scenes that surprise me, the fact that some actors seem somewhat comfortable in some of the scenes.

Wasn't there a nude scene of Kala in the bathhouse, and of Sun in the shower? Anyway, I don't mind nudity. It is the action in the scenes of sex that I find a little extreme. I just think it is necessary for the whole story, of plot,  but I think this is a tendency that has been happening for a long time in movies and tv. As I said, maybe they are very good at it, or maybe I am becoming a prude in my old age. Who knows? 

[Chaos Theory]

2 hours ago, alexvillage said:

I know, I don't think they are being forced (or at least not explicitly forced). It is the realism of some scenes that surprise me, the fact that some actors seem somewhat comfortable in some of the scenes.

Wasn't there a nude scene of Kala in the bathhouse, and of Sun in the shower? Anyway, I don't mind nudity. It is the action in the scenes of sex that I find a little extreme. I just think it is necessary for the whole story, of plot,  but I think this is a tendency that has been happening for a long time in movies and tv. As I said, maybe they are very good at it, or maybe I am becoming a prude in my old age. Who knows? 

It's the sex/violence argument.  You can shoot the heads off of babies but have two people have sex after and suddenly you go too far.     It often is camera work and what an actor is comfortable with.  With this show  I am pretty sure they all went into it knowing there would be nudity and I doubt any of them were forced into anything.  My guess is that a lot of it is good camera angles and everyone jumping into a pile wearing skin colored clothing.

Plus they are actors.  This is what they are paid for.  

Edited August 29, 2017 by Chaos Theory

[Rinaldo]

2 hours ago, alexvillage said:

Wasn't there a nude scene of Kala in the bathhouse

No, there was an anonymous woman who walked by in the bathhouse who somewhat resembled Kala (setting off the fantasies that led to that first cluster "orgy"), and this confused some of us at the time. But she was just an extra seen only for those two seconds.

Undoubtedly the requirements were discussed with the principal actors before initial casting was finalized, and nobody was cast who couldn't come to some level of agreement. And the various actors do indeed have different comfort levels which are being honored, as @jhlipton said.

[alexvillage]

2 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

It's the sex/violence argument.  You can shoot the heads off of babies but have two people have sex after and suddenly you go too far.     It often is camera work and what an actor is comfortable with.  With this show  I am pretty sure they all went into it knowing there would be nudity and I doubt any of them were forced into anything.  My guess is that a lot of it is good camera angles and everyone jumping into a pile wearing skin colored clothing.

Plus they are actors.  This is what they are paid for.  

I agree with you. I am not someone who enjoys violence on TV either. And yes, I know close to nothing about how the camera moves. It is just something that I half admire - their acting/dedication to the art of acting, if you will (as a former dancer I used to perform - a long time ago - almost completely nude so I get it) - and half find surprising because it does seem realistic to me. As you said, it can be camera work or anything else. 

Again, I don't think they were forced into doing scenes they don't want to. Or to being nude. I do believe that there might be a factor of "soft coercion" that happens in any business. Not implying that it happens in this show or any other show. Just saying that I believe it exists. Which does not really change anything. They are all adults and they certainly have the ability to, or agents who can, make sure their contract is clear.

 

 

1 hour ago, Rinaldo said:

No, there was an anonymous woman who walked by in the bathhouse who somewhat resembled Kala (setting off the fantasies that led to that first cluster "orgy"), and this confused some of us at the time. But she was just an extra seen only for those two seconds

Thanks for clarifying. 

[Chaos Theory]

With Sex and violence it comes down to how it is written and how necessary it is for the plot.  The fact is sex and love are how we connect and violence is how we often disconnect.   On a show about connections both are going to be front and center in all both of their many forms.  Who we love.  How we love.  Who we hate and how that hate manifests.  The show would have felt wrong without both sex and violence in equal measure.

Edited August 29, 2017 by Chaos Theory

[alexvillage]

42 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

With Sex and violence it comes down to how it is written and how necessary it is for the plot.  The fact is sex and love are how we connect and violence is how we often disconnect.   On a show about connections both are going to be front and center in all both of their many forms.  Who we love.  How we love.  Who we hate and how that hate manifests.  The show would have felt wrong without both sex and violence in equal measure.

I agree with your statement. I agree that connections include how and who we love, how hate manifests. I just prefer when things are more subtle, hinted, and not so explicit. It doesn't not mean that it is better or worse, it is just my preference.

It also doesn't mean that I would stop watching a show I like because there is too much sex or too much violence.  I can just fast forward, if I don't want to watch the scenes.

[jenrising]

4 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

With Sex and violence it comes down to how it is written and how necessary it is for the plot.  The fact is sex and love are how we connect and violence is how we often disconnect.   On a show about connections both are going to be front and center in all both of their many forms.  Who we love.  How we love.  Who we hate and how that hate manifests.  The show would have felt wrong without both sex and violence in equal measure.

Spot on. Vividly experiencing the best and worst moments of the cluster's lives is so important.