Wilowy April 3, 2014 Share April 3, 2014 Fuck you, George. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/
walnutqueen April 5, 2014 Share April 5, 2014 Fuck you, George. I really wish Trixie had shot him in the fucking face. While I'm at it, I also wish Joanie had slit Wolcott's throat. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-22263
Wilowy April 5, 2014 Author Share April 5, 2014 Aren't you the bloodthirsty l'il thang? I agree completely. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-22317
walnutqueen April 5, 2014 Share April 5, 2014 I haven't been "l'il" since menopause hit. :-) 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-22328
Catherinewriter April 13, 2014 Share April 13, 2014 I had such hatred for Hearst that I could hardly bear watching Season 3 (which I do think, in many ways, lost a lot of the collective glue that Seasons 1 and 2 had). Hated him more than McCall, more than Cy, more than E.B. Just sheer hate. Wow, got that out. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-33873
Wilowy April 13, 2014 Author Share April 13, 2014 Three for me was uneven, and yes, coming a bit unglued, which to me reflected Milch's state of mind and behavior, as well. But it was still better than 90% of the other stuff out there. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-33877
Catherinewriter April 14, 2014 Share April 14, 2014 Willowy, oh granted, but I missed Doc, Jane, etc. And in case I didn't mention it, I hated Hearst. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-35127
Wilowy April 14, 2014 Author Share April 14, 2014 I did too, hence the title and first comment of this thread! ;) One of my favorite things was when Bullock took him by the ear and dragged him across the thoroughfare: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zQBzCAR8wM 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-35366
Catherinewriter April 15, 2014 Share April 15, 2014 Willowy, yeah, lucky Bullock didn't pay for that with his life. Fortunately, the real Bullock lives on even after angering HBO's Deadwood conflicts. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-36880
honeywest May 13, 2014 Share May 13, 2014 (edited) The most gruesome TV fight scene ever and a sex scene with Con Stapleton. I couldn't watch either. The first time I saw this episode, I was so afraid that Dan would drown in a mud puddle that I looked up the cast on IMDB and saw that W. Earl Brown was in the whole series till the end. Then I knew the right person would die. Now, why couldn't Adams or someone have shot Hearst while he was undefended? Edited May 20, 2014 by honeywest 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-71252
Catherinewriter May 13, 2014 Share May 13, 2014 Not clear (to me) what Hearst is trying to do. All he wants is Alma's gold claim, so why is he stirring up the town against him? And Al - why would you let someone else fight for you? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-71380
Wilowy May 13, 2014 Author Share May 13, 2014 He's a spoiled, entitled, sociopath who wholeheartedly believes his own press. Functioning lunatics sometimes come into power when more rational men step aside (witness Hitler), and in that stage of the country's development, rough tough (and especially rich) men who showed intelligence and ambition were uplifted. Hearst didn't like anyone standing up to him. He wasn't used to it, and he fully intended to crush anyone who challenged his ownership of town Alpha. That was his modus operandi all his life. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-71515
Catherinewriter May 13, 2014 Share May 13, 2014 Okay, total control, get it. But I wonder what the Hearst family thinks of this slanderous characterization of him. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-72059
Wilowy May 13, 2014 Author Share May 13, 2014 Well, technically it was libel, but you can't libel the dead and he was a public figure so... Still, when Deadwood's cancellation was announced there was steadfast rumor that it was the Hearst estate that saw to it. Some still believe it. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-72097
Catherinewriter May 13, 2014 Share May 13, 2014 Do you have any links to the Hearst/cancellation story? And "Slander" can mean, generally, "a false, malicious, and defamatory statement or report." Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-72381
Wilowy May 14, 2014 Author Share May 14, 2014 I don't. Most of it came from the old HBO Deadwood boards as it was happening. I'm sure a specific google search might yield some of the answers you seek, Catherinewriter. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-72622
Catherinewriter May 14, 2014 Share May 14, 2014 That would be really interesting if it were true. I'll look around. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-73458
walnutqueen May 20, 2014 Share May 20, 2014 A little scene I'd forgotten about was when Alma was being shot at*, and Al vaulted over his balcony railing to arrive at her side at the same time good old Charlie Utter did. Much as I loved these particular two working in concert; upon this re-watch I was moved by the swashbuckling, tousled-hair Al in an embarrassingly fan-girl fashion. * fuck me to tears if I didn't type "shit at"; spellcheck didn't catch it, but I try to read before posting. :-) 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-80470
Wilowy May 20, 2014 Author Share May 20, 2014 Right? Even though two seasons before he might've been the one taking aim. The shifting loyalties, earned, were one of my favorite things about this show. You might be a snooty fucking cunt, but you're OUR snooty fucking cunt, and woe to any fucking cocksucker who tries to lay waste to you. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-80495
walnutqueen May 20, 2014 Share May 20, 2014 (edited) Oh, Willowy, I am sappy enough to want to have seen the evolving relationships between the widow Garret-Ellsworth and Mr. Swearengen, and even more so, Seth and Martha Bullock. Such rich promise ... ETA - for the first time ever, I noticed a "wardrobe malfunction" in the scene between Trixie and Alma after the attempted shooting. Trixie has a wrist/glovey thingy on both hands, but when she gets up to close the door on Trixie, her right hand is bare; after closing the door, it's back to the wristlet, and after she sits back down at the table & lights a match - bare handed again (this time BOTH wrists). and that is probably the last time I am visually observant and totally illiterate (wrist/glovey thingy indeed). Edited May 20, 2014 by walnutqueen 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-80513
mizkat August 7, 2014 Share August 7, 2014 He's a spoiled, entitled, sociopath who wholeheartedly believes his own press. Functioning lunatics sometimes come into power when more rational men step aside (witness Hitler), and in that stage of the country's development, rough tough (and especially rich) men who showed intelligence and ambition were uplifted. Hearst didn't like anyone standing up to him. He wasn't used to it, and he fully intended to crush anyone who challenged his ownership of town Alpha. That was his modus operandi all his life. I liked Hearst in that he was a worthy villain. What I didn't like was that in order for him to be all-powerful, Al had to be basically impotent. Him trying to bide his time and keep Bullock in check got annoying, especially since there was no payoff (Hearst killed Ellsworth and then he left, big whoop). But I've always seen it as a huge flaw in the writing and in my fantasy Deadwood world Al outsmarted Hearst in the end and that's why he left. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-270175
Catherinewriter August 8, 2014 Share August 8, 2014 Mizkat, that scenario would have been wonderful to see. And in closing, Fuck you, George. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-271590
mizkat August 8, 2014 Share August 8, 2014 And in closing, Fuck you, George. Because that can't be said enough. Did anyone care about the Aunt Lou storyline? I put that second to the theater group as filler and time wasting. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-272836
Wilowy August 8, 2014 Author Share August 8, 2014 I did care about Aunt Lou. I was always afraid for her. I would have liked to have seen her become a regular fixture in the camp, away from Hearst. But that didn't happen. So many missed opportunities... 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-272859
walnutqueen August 8, 2014 Share August 8, 2014 Aunt Lou was developing interesting relationships with Richardson, Nigger General, and even Jewel. She also served as a stark reminder of just what kind of a sociopath Hearst was. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-273080
Catherinewriter August 8, 2014 Share August 8, 2014 I also was continually afraid for Aunt Lou. I think the arc could have been stronger, but it was the only one with more than a single black character, so that was okay with me. I hated the wasted time with the theater group, though I love Brian Cox. What is the point, I kept muttering and griping to myself. We're never going to get over this, are we? Years from now we'll still be offering critiques, damning Milch, etc. And good point, Walnut Queen. No matter how much of a threat he was to the men, Hearst was even more terrible to see around women - I kept wondering what he was going to do next. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-273153
walnutqueen August 8, 2014 Share August 8, 2014 Yes, the juxtaposition between the way Hearst talks about his beloved Aunt Lou like he's a little boy at her knee and the menacing threat he is when she worries for her son speaks volumes. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-273342
honeywest August 9, 2014 Share August 9, 2014 Aunt Lou always looked uneasy when she was alone in a room with Hearst. And I loved the look she gave him (though he didn't seem to notice it) when he asked if she didn't miss Missouri. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-276028
Catherinewriter August 13, 2014 Share August 13, 2014 Just checking in to say "Fuck you, George, you dick!" 1 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-285431
walnutqueen August 13, 2014 Share August 13, 2014 (edited) Just checking in to say "Fuck you, George, you dick!" Or, you cocksucking motherfucking titlicking whoremongering yellow-bellied liver-lipped son-of-a-cuntbitchfucker dick. Oh no, that's just my cat when I'm mad at him - Hearst deserves worse. ;-) Edited August 13, 2014 by walnutqueen 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-285467
Pallas August 13, 2014 Share August 13, 2014 Maybe the worst thing about Hearst is the impression that he wasn't taken in by Al's final desperate strategem, and knew that Al, anyway, would perceive that. And realize that Hearst was saying he couldn't waste another minute being bothered by the doings of this piss-poor camp and its penny-ante people, that he had great affairs to attend to, in the larger world. The same impression he gave to Seth, when Bullock seethed at him one last time. Bemused and bored more than exasperated, and already tracking his next find, from his seat above the fray. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-285637
honeywest August 13, 2014 Share August 13, 2014 I think Hearst would be pleased/amused to know that his saying "Kill the whore" could make Al kill an innocent woman. That kind of power would be even more important to him than seeing his real assailant punished. Good thing the Doc didn't waste any anesthetic on him when he was removing that bullet. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-285969
walnutqueen August 13, 2014 Share August 13, 2014 Hearst may have wanted to perpetuate the myth of The Boy The Earth Spoke To, but I think that was a load of crap to cover a sometimes lucky and always ruthless sociopath who capitalized on his defects of character. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-285998
Catherinewriter August 13, 2014 Share August 13, 2014 "I think Hearst would be pleased/amused to know that his saying "Kill the whore" could make Al kill an innocent woman. That kind of power would be even more important to him than seeing his real assailant punished." Honey West, excellent analysis. Isn't it incredible that seven years after the end of this series we're still mining (sorry) it for meaning, humor, history, etc. I love it, and I am so sad and angry. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-286917
honeywest August 13, 2014 Share August 13, 2014 In a series full of brutal acts, there was none more horrifying to me than Hearst's touching the wound on Jen's neck and then tasting the blood on his finger. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-288235
Catherinewriter August 13, 2014 Share August 13, 2014 God, I'm trying even to remember that. I think I was watching to see if he was going to pull a gun or knife on someone and missed what he really did. Crikey! 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-288331
Kel Varnsen September 24, 2015 Share September 24, 2015 Did anyone care about the Aunt Lou storyline? I put that second to the theater group as filler and time wasting. I am about half way through season 3 now. So far I don't really care for Aunt Lou and her story. That said I would happily take more Aunt Lou and more theatre group if it meant they they could have eliminated the biggest season 3 time waster. To me that would be all the useless crap with that asshole Steve the Drunk. I mean at least with the theatre stuff there is a bunch of interaction with Al and Joanie. So far in season three Steve has gotten a bigger storyline than Charlie, Joanie, Jane or Saul. I am even wondering if the guy who plays Steve is a friend of Milch or something. Because if you compare how he plays a drunk and how over the top it is to how Robin Weigert plays Jane (who is drunk most of the time as well) he really isn't as good. 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-1533267
Catherinewriter November 5, 2015 Share November 5, 2015 And I might add, just because it needs saying regularly - "Fuck you, George." I'm continually reminded of how poor many current shows are when compared with "Deadwod," and long for an announcement from HBO that they'll start reairing the episodes soon, perhaps as a holidayi present. To amend my previous post, I would except "Fargo", "The Americans," "justified," and a few others from my judgment about current shows. But truly so much dreck, so much soap opera disguised as real drama, so much supernatural crap. My, I'm really angry today, right? 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-1677593
walnutqueen November 5, 2015 Share November 5, 2015 (edited) And I might add, just because it needs saying regularly - "Fuck you, George." I'm continually reminded of how poor many current shows are when compared with "Deadwod," and long for an announcement from HBO that they'll start reairing the episodes soon, perhaps as a holidayi present. To amend my previous post, I would except "Fargo", "The Americans," "justified," and a few others from my judgment about current shows. But truly so much dreck, so much soap opera disguised as real drama, so much supernatural crap. My, I'm really angry today, right? Absolutely right, Catherinewriter. There just aren't many show that live up to the quality of Deadwood to this day (and I still haven't found a single one to be as eloquent, nor one I love more). Edited November 5, 2015 by walnutqueen 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-1677915
Catherinewriter November 6, 2015 Share November 6, 2015 (edited) Bless you, Walnut Queen. And . . . . . fuck you, George. Edited November 6, 2015 by Catherinewriter 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-1682135
honeywest December 22, 2015 Share December 22, 2015 Last Friday's season (series?) finale of The Knick distressed me and left me feeling a great sense of loss. It wasn't Deadwood, but it was the closest any other show has come for me. And since an important episode of The Knick took place in San Francisco: Fuck you, Hearsts. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-1820492
purist December 13, 2016 Share December 13, 2016 (edited) I'm re-watching Season 3 and so far it's not as bad as I remembered (I'm up to episode 7). One thing that was just as remarkable as I remembered was the fight between Dan Dority and Captain Turner. If there was an award for the best bare-knuckle fight in TV history, it would surely win. Like, it only went for a few minutes, but it was so incredibly well choreographed and filmed and performed ... WOW. Quote He's a spoiled, entitled, sociopath who wholeheartedly believes his own press. Functioning lunatics sometimes come into power when more rational men step aside (witness Hitler) Oh boy. This comment was prescient, @Willowy. Edited December 13, 2016 by purist 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-2824991
Mindthinkr December 29, 2017 Share December 29, 2017 On 12/12/2016 at 11:41 PM, purist said: I'm re-watching Season 3 and so far it's not as bad as I remembered (I'm up to episode 7). One thing that was just as remarkable as I remembered was the fight between Dan Dority and Captain Turner. If there was an award for the best bare-knuckle fight in TV history, it would surely win. Like, it only went for a few minutes, but it was so incredibly well choreographed and filmed and performed ... WOW. Quote Totally agree. I just watched it for the first time and it was totally believable and it felt brutal. Does anyone know what was causing Doc to cough up blood? TB? 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-3924119
walnutqueen December 29, 2017 Share December 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Mindthinkr said: Totally agree. I just watched it for the first time and it was totally believable and it felt brutal. Does anyone know what was causing Doc to cough up blood? TB? Yes, it was TB. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-3924280
Mindthinkr December 29, 2017 Share December 29, 2017 "Copperhead cocksucker Hurst". Loved that because it as well as Fuck Hurst can't be stated enough! LOL 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3770-season-3-hearst-was-a-dick/#findComment-3924535
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