The Bullpen

[Droogie]

I don't know if that has been discussed yet but look at his calendar design. 

It's just so awful. Did they just choose the worst possible photo? One where Reid's not looking to the front and the lighting is inconsistent? He looks like he found his way there by accident and doesn't belong with the rest of the cast.

WOW.

This makes the new DVD cover look positively divine by comparison. MGG may not mind this, but I think it is a slap in the face to him, his character and Reid fans.

[SSAHotchner]

Re: episodes the past two seasons worth watching, for me, the only ones I liked in season 9 were Final Shot and Gabby. In season 10, Mr. Scratch. I also liked Boxed In, not for the plot but because it had a lot of Hotch and some of Jack. 

 

Re: that calendar pic, could they be any more obvious that they don't value Matthew? To put him in the back like that and have Jeanne, whom I like but is no longer on the show, ahead of him is just....I don't even have words for what it is. Or at least not words I would post here. 

[missmycat]

I will admit I don't know that much about how twitter works since I am not on it.But I can't help being frustrated over the fact that Harry answered a Shemar fan who had asked if Shemar was on set. And later he answered a TG fan who had asked the same same thing. However in between that someone asked about MGG and so far there has been no reply from Harry whatsoever. I don't know maybe I am being unfair. I suppose it is possible Harry didn't see that tweet inquiring about MGG.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

I was about to ask if your cat walked across the keyboard. ;-)

[Danielg342]

Question about 'Boston'.

If Morgan was supposed to be there does that mean he was on the team or that maybe two teams were working together? It takes 6 months before the episode so maybe they were all done mourning by then so there's no need for them to be mentioned? Or was it only bought up as backstory for 'Won't Get Fooled Again'?

Also, is there a more suitable thread for me to post questions like this in?

I don't think they explained it. I figured he escaped and was still affected by it, which is why he didn't go down with the team to Florida.

[missmycat]

I'd been asked to share the link to the petition, but couldn't do it until this AM.  At the moment, it looks like it's still there, but it may come down today.  So, if you'd like to sign on, here it is:

 

http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/rehire-andrew-wilder

I saw that the petition was still there,but it isn't taking anymore signatures. I am really bummed that it only managed to get 201. I will bet you any money that many of these younger fans, who started watching CM in the later seasons, have absolutely no idea just what an asset this man was to our show.

[Bookish Jen]

I was about to ask if your cat walked across the keyboard. ;-)

I thought it was the name of Qwerty's Welsh ancestors' village.

 

On-topic: I signed the petition but I'm not going to hold my breath that Andrew Wilder will be brought back. Tis a pity. I'm just wild about Wilder.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Bookish Jen

[Cobalt Stargazer]

Extreme Aggressor. One PM Eastern time on ION. Be there or be square. :-)

[Bookish Jen]

Extreme Aggressor. One PM Eastern time on ION. Be there or be square. :-)

I'm at work (currently on my lunch break) and can't see it. Waah! Rub it in, meanie!

 

Hmm, a potential case for the BAU?

http://mashable.com/2015/07/14/trump-your-cat/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-main-link

 

Because Trumping your cat is pure evil!

 

Edited July 14, 2015 by Bookish Jen

[Bookish Jen]

When unsubs cook:

 

 

[normasm]

I haven't gone to the site, qwerty, but I think it's a joke site, making awful food combos look as if they were normal fare during Those Fabulous Fifties! Waffles being soft and sweet, and tuna cooked in condensed mushroom soup (in and of itself barf-worthy), with the piquant green olives making it totally YACK. As in something one might serve Charlie Manson for his last meal, if he was set to be executed, which he isn't, so maybe he could only eat this for the rest of his sorry-ass life...?

[Droogie]

I think it's a serious recipe for its time. Gak. It probably even tastes good, even though the ingredients look completely disgusting... But this is coming from someone who likes liver.

[missmycat]

Does anybody know if AJC is currently in Canada. I am thinking she probably is.The actress still considers herself a Canadian even though she and her family have a home in Los Angeles. And I am pretty sure her first little boy was born in Canada.So I am guessing she and Nate would want their other little boy to be born there also.

 

Plus I am sure since she is about to become a mother again AJ probably wants her own mother, who lives in Canada, to be close by. Of course I could be totally wrong. She may very well be in Los Angeles.Now I don't know whether or not AJC's mom works outside of the home, but even if she did I am quite sure she must have arranged to take some time off to be there for her daughter during this time whether it'd be Canada or Los Angeles.

[JMO]

As a practical matter, my guess would be that she would want to be delivered by the person who handled her obstetric care throughout her pregnancy.  That would put her in the LA area.  Also, I think the citizenship issues are more easily addressed if he is born in the US.  I believe he would be eligible for dual citizenship either way, but with fewer hoops to jump through.

 

 

[missmycat]

As a practical matter, my guess would be that she would want to be delivered by the person who handled her obstetric care throughout her pregnancy.  That would put her in the LA area.  Also, I think the citizenship issues are more easily addressed if he is born in the US.  I believe he would be eligible for dual citizenship either way, but with fewer hoops to jump through.

Good point I hadn't consider that fact. And as far as your other point, if that is indeed a consideration on both the part of AJC and her husband then I guess they probably would want their other little boy to be born in the USA. Which probably means their first little boy was also born here.

Edited July 18, 2015 by missmycat

[secnarf]

As a practical matter, my guess would be that she would want to be delivered by the person who handled her obstetric care throughout her pregnancy.  That would put her in the LA area.  Also, I think the citizenship issues are more easily addressed if he is born in the US.  I believe he would be eligible for dual citizenship either way, but with fewer hoops to jump through.

How are there fewer hoops to jump through if the child is born in the US?

Since AJC's husband is American and has been living in the US, the children are US citizens at birth regardless of where they are born. In addition, since AJC is Canadian and was born in Canada, the children are also automatically Canadian citizens at birth, regardless of where they are born. It doesn't seem like there would be any "hoops", since either way the kids are automatically Canadian and American citizens.

FWIW, I think Mekhai was born in LA. It makes more sense if that's where she's living now.

[missmycat]

How are there fewer hoops to jump through if the child is born in the US?

Since AJC's husband is American and has been living in the US, the children are US citizens at birth regardless of where they are born. In addition, since AJC is Canadian and was born in Canada, the children are also automatically Canadian citizens at birth, regardless of where they are born. It doesn't seem like there would be any "hoops", since either way the kids are automatically Canadian and American citizens.

FWIW, I think Mekhai was born in LA. It makes more sense if that's where she's living now.

 I had no idea that Nathan Anderson was an American. For some reason I had always assumed he was Canadian like his wife AJ Cook

[secnarf]

 I had no idea that Nathan Anderson was an American. For some reason I had always assumed he was Canadian like his wife AJ Cook

They met in Utah and she moved to Salt Lake City for a while to live with him, so I assumed he's American.

[JMO]

 

How are there fewer hoops to jump through if the child is born in the US?

Since AJC's husband is American and has been living in the US, the children are US citizens at birth regardless of where they are born. In addition, since AJC is Canadian and was born in Canada, the children are also automatically Canadian citizens at birth, regardless of where they are born. It doesn't seem like there would be any "hoops", since either way the kids are automatically Canadian and American citizens.

You're probably right, secnarf.  I had it in my head that AJ's husband was Canadian as well.  But, if he's a US citizen, it should be no issue.  I think there is still a little hoop-jumping either way, to acquire documentation for passports, etc.  But it should just be a formality.

[Bookish Jen]

Remember when a few months ago I showed a picture of Liz Taylor in a glittery blue caftan and I claimed this was my typical CM viewing outfit?

 

Well, the following photo is a more "honest" version than the one of La Liz. This is me, and my fellow real-life CM pal, Susan (she's all woobie about Derek/Shemar), and our typical CM viewing habits. I'm on the left and she's on the right.

 

[normasm]

AbFab!!! FTW

[Cobalt Stargazer]

Remember when a few months ago I showed a picture of Liz Taylor in a glittery blue caftan and I claimed this was my typical CM viewing outfit?

 

Well, the following photo is a more "honest" version than the one of La Liz. This is me, and my fellow real-life CM pal, Susan (she's all woobie about Derek/Shemar), and our typical CM viewing habits. I'm on the left and she's on the right.

 

 

"It's not a rave, it's a happening, sweetie dah-ling!"

[Bookish Jen]

 

"It's not a rave, it's a happening, sweetie dah-ling!"

No, it's not a happening, it's a profile!

 

Ooh, that give me an idea an AbFab/Criminal Minds TV mash-up. This show can even have it's own drink the "Wheels Up In Dirty Martini"

 

Hmm, and here are some profiles using lines from AbFab.

 

"The unsub is a thin person just screaming to get out."

 

"This unsub is so cold she probably has her period in cubes."

 

"The unsub is a bloody bastard asthmatic cab driver!"

 

[Bookish Jen]

I haven't gone to the site, qwerty, but I think it's a joke site, making awful food combos look as if they were normal fare during Those Fabulous Fifties! Waffles being soft and sweet, and tuna cooked in condensed mushroom soup (in and of itself barf-worthy), with the piquant green olives making it totally YACK. As in something one might serve Charlie Manson for his last meal, if he was set to be executed, which he isn't, so maybe he could only eat this for the rest of his sorry-ass life...?

We all know of food porn? Well, the above recipe is food murder. Blergh. I came across some vintage cook books a while back and nearly horked over some of the recipes. Hotdogs cut up in jello? Ick! Plus, the food photography was not that flattering, which didn't help things.

 

Yes, I did find the photo at a kitschy vintage website featuring foods, fashion, teas, electronics from "back in the day." They are both hilarious and cringe-worthy. And because all roads lead to CM at this site, I might post some of them here with some old-school (really old school) copy. I think I might have one for Rossi.

[normasm]

We all know of food porn? Well, the above recipe is food murder. Blergh. I came across some vintage cook books a while back and nearly horked over some of the recipes. Hotdogs cut up in jello? Ick! Plus, the food photography was not that flattering, which didn't help things.

 

Yes, I did find the photo at a kitschy vintage website featuring foods, fashion, teas, electronics from "back in the day." They are both hilarious and cringe-worthy. And because all roads lead to CM at this site, I might post some of them here with some old-school (really old school) copy. I think I might have one for Rossi.

I'll say it again. I think they're fake sites. I don't remember anything this stupid from (nearly) that far back, and don't remember anything from my parents. Just sayin'

[Bookish Jen]

I'll say it again. I think they're fake sites. I don't remember anything this stupid from (nearly) that far back, and don't remember anything from my parents. Just sayin'

I know what you mean. I think this particular recipe was pretty rare back in the day but considered "creative or alternative.", and found in cookbooks and magazines that focused on more "traditional" fair like meatloaf, casseroles, baked goods, etc., but wanted to offer a twist to American housewives. I found the pic above on a website devoted to kitschy, weird stuff from the 1950s to the 1980s. The site posts photos and ads of the most goofiest, grossest and extreme stuff from those various decades. And it is so very funny. I love anything retro.

 

Rossi's senior yearbook featuring a candid pick of him and this quote, "Happy Wednesday, my nerds! Anybody up for some 'breath play?' It's groovy!"

 

[normasm]

Oh God. That shirt. My life is transformed.

[Bookish Jen]

Oh God. That shirt. My life is transformed.

It's the Mr. Rogers' sneakers that add the right touch of sexy!

[normasm]

I think I vaguely know who that is in that pick, but it won't bubble to the top. My mind is desperately trying to protect me...

[Bookish Jen]

Oh God. That shirt. My life is transformed.

Maybe because that striped shirt reminds you of a certain actor on CM? And you know, I don't mean Joe Mantegna....

[JMO]

Watching 'Penelope' for the umpteenth time.  I've reached saturation point on many episodes, but this one I find myself watching all the way through, every time.  I think it's because every character is so 'in character', and because it offers so many rich interactions among different groupings of them.  It's a character-centric episode that manages to focus on the dynamics of the full team.  And it accomplishes this, even with us knowing the unsub from the episode before!  They don't write them like this any more. 

[normasm]

JMO, I agree, watching it myself. I loved everyone in this: Reid to Rossi. The only thing i didn't like was her victimization. I do wish they hadn't gone there with someone so obviously non-glamorous. But, hey. I love that shot of Reid waiting to hear, he looks so alone and so freaked. I love Emily looking at JJ, and reaching for her hand. I love Rossi's take on everything, and Hotch being as protective as he could afford to be of Garcia.

[Danielg342]

The only thing i didn't like was her victimization. I do wish they hadn't gone there with someone so obviously non-glamorous.

I'm not sure I'd agree in principle- I don't believe anyone should be “off-limits” as a victim, because anyone can be a victim- crime does not discriminate.

What I didn't like was more the idea of Garcia- a “Hollywood Homely” type- finally getting an attractive guy attracted to her only to find out it's a ruse. I get that something like that is possible in real life, and the story needed a “why is he drawn to her” that needed to give the audience pause, but I think with the media, and TV in particular, doing almost everything they can to tell women they need to be unreasonably attractive just to bag even an “average” guy, I think the path to victimization was the wrong one to take. Why can't a woman finally get someone “out of her league” for a change?

[Cobalt Stargazer]

JMO, I agree, watching it myself. I loved everyone in this: Reid to Rossi. The only thing i didn't like was her victimization. I do wish they hadn't gone there with someone so obviously non-glamorous. But, hey. I love that shot of Reid waiting to hear, he looks so alone and so freaked. I love Emily looking at JJ, and reaching for her hand. I love Rossi's take on everything, and Hotch being as protective as he could afford to be of Garcia.

 

I was about to ask what this meant, but then Daniel posted.

 

I'm not certain that I would call Garcia unglamorous, or even Hollywood Homely. Before KV lost so much weight, I thought she was prettier, and while she certainly isn't ugly now, I preferred her earlier look. What's interesting is Morgan's attitude before she was shot - telling her that if the guy seems a little too smooth, or too good-looking, then maybe she should pump her brakes, and then its Emily who says that when a woman is telling him about her feelings, she isn't looking for him to "fix" her, she just wants him to shut up and listen. That it's Morgan, who can dish it out but can't take it, who's proven to be "right" (if that's how you want to look at it) is what's annoying. At least to me.

[normasm]

I was about to ask what this meant, but then Daniel posted.

 

I'm not certain that I would call Garcia unglamorous, or even Hollywood Homely. Before KV lost so much weight, I thought she was prettier, and while she certainly isn't ugly now, I preferred her earlier look. What's interesting is Morgan's attitude before she was shot - telling her that if the guy seems a little too smooth, or too good-looking, then maybe she should pump her brakes, and then its Emily who says that when a woman is telling him about her feelings, she isn't looking for him to "fix" her, she just wants him to shut up and listen. That it's Morgan, who can dish it out but can't take it, who's proven to be "right" (if that's how you want to look at it) is what's annoying. At least to me.

Yeah, the Morgan being all "be suspicious of this too-eager, handsome dude" was irritating, until I remembered he had two sisters, and he would probably say exactly that to either one of them. I guess the canon disappointment, while also being the canon reality check, is that Morgan just DOESN'T think of Garcia in that way. But he loves her. As much as his sisters, which is lovely, unless someone wants more. And I never thought, past a point right about here, that Garcia expected more from Morgan.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

FWIW, I didn't mean to imply that Garcia expected anything on a romantic level from Morgan. If anything, I think she'd have become really uncomfortable if he had designs on her in that way, at least if how she reacted in Damaged is proof of how she sees their relationship. She even tells him near the end of the episode that it would have spoiled things if whatever fantasy she might have had about him had come to fruition. So for me it isn't about whether or not she wanted to be in a dating situation with him, because I don't think she ever really has.

 

But think of it like this - I don't think Reid would ever in a million years want Garcia to be physically attracted to him, because they're friends, and while that's also lovely, that's the extent of it. That doesn't mean it isn't as obnoxious as all hell when she's all, "That's completely different. I showed up with someone I could never possibly be sexually attracted to." Granted, Morgan didn't go that far, but he went far enough telling her that Baylor was maybe too handsome and slick for her.

[Danielg342]

Perhaps it might have made a better twist if Jason Clark Battle- the perp's real name, James Colby Baylor was an alias- actually was in love with Garcia, and went on a date with her to warn her about someone else who was actually after her.

Perhaps then the final scene would have had Battle insisting that he go inside with her, with Garcia- believing he wants sex- refusing, before two shots ring out and the episode fades to black. We find out in the next episode that Battle is immediately the suspect (since he was the only one there when she was shot) but gets cleared when it's shown that Garcia was felled by a sniper, who barely missed getting Battle. Perhaps afterwards, Garcia and Battle start dating, or perhaps in “Penelope” Garcia feels more attracted to Kevin Lynch, deciding him over Battle, which would make a nice statement that it's the content of the character, not the appearance.

This way, Morgan still gets to be “right”, and, for a change, the “geek girl” gets the guy. Maybe it makes the episode more convoluted than needed, but I think it would make a better story.

[SSAHotchner]

Watching 'Penelope' for the umpteenth time.  I've reached saturation point on many episodes, but this one I find myself watching all the way through, every time.  I think it's because every character is so 'in character', and because it offers so many rich interactions among different groupings of them.  It's a character-centric episode that manages to focus on the dynamics of the full team.  And it accomplishes this, even with us knowing the unsub from the episode before!  They don't write them like this any more. 

Penelope is the first episode I ever saw and I still love it. It's what made me seek out Criminal Minds.

[Old Dog]

Wow - CBS have really ramped up the promotion of the show lately! I don't ever remember seeing so much before. A lot of it makes me cringe a bit but still. Is it all tied into building up to support the spin off do we think?

[Bookish Jen]

Wow - CBS have really ramped up the promotion of the show lately! I don't ever remember seeing so much before. A lot of it makes me cringe a bit but still. Is it all tied into building up to support the spin off do we think?

Nice to know there is more promos, but is it all types of media or TV commercials? I haven't seen a lot of CM commercials on CBS lately.

[Bookish Jen]

JMO, I agree, watching it myself. I loved everyone in this: Reid to Rossi. The only thing i didn't like was her victimization. I do wish they hadn't gone there with someone so obviously non-glamorous. But, hey. I love that shot of Reid waiting to hear, he looks so alone and so freaked. I love Emily looking at JJ, and reaching for her hand. I love Rossi's take on everything, and Hotch being as protective as he could afford to be of Garcia.

It's funny you mention Penelope is "so obviously non-glamorous" because if there is anyone at the BAU who turns up the glamour to 11 it is the divine Miss G! The non-corporate hair, the fantabulous accessories and assorted bling, the sky-high stiletto heels, and not too mention the Fierce Penny Frocks!!!!

 

That being said, I still know what you mean. Garcia was the fat girl, and even though Kirsten has lost a lot of weight, she'll never be sylph-like, that's not her body type. And that is perfectly okay. I think Kirsten is very pretty, and not just for a "fat girl." Kirsten has the most perfect porcelain skin and I love her smile. It is so warm and genuine.

 

It was at this point, I still really like Penelope. She was a bad ass Tech Goddess. She was fun and outgoing. The banter between her and Morgan was more Nick and Nora Charles, not middle school icky. She might be affected be the crime scene photos, but they just showed she was a sensitive human being; she didn't have a meltdown. I loved her fun fashion choices; I know I wouldn't want to wear a neutrally-colored pantsuit myself. Now Garcia looks like a cross between Baby Jane and Mimi from the Drew Carey Show. And don't even get me started on the obnoxious comment she made about Spencer's lack of sexual allure.

 

That being said, I really like seeing how the BAU circled around to be there for Penelope and for each other during this tragic and trying time. It really showed how much they truly cared for each other.

[normasm]

To me, Garcia's way of presenting herself has never been "glam", but unnecessarily quirky, not to mention non-professional.  Just like what's her name from NCIS (which I don't watch), the quirk is the thing. I don't dispute her weight - especially at the time - was part and parcel of why she was the non-glam character (in canon). They wouldn't have an episode called "JJ" or "Emily" that focused on how someone could take advantage of that character's desire to be seen as beautiful to the extent that it compromised that person's safety. Although the Maeve arc was sort of based on Reid's desire to be this girl's White Knight, and that was due in part to his hesitance to be visible and in part to her distrust (IMO). Garcia has always been portrayed as a woman who desires people like Morgan to desire her. The fact that TPTB never ever had him even hint he was attracted to her is what set this whole unfortunate scenario up.

 

We have her being upbeat because an attractive guy gave her the time of day, even expressed enough interest to ask her out on a date. She says this to Derek, expecting or hoping he'll say, Yeah, go for it Baby Girl, you're all that (for some people, not me, but yeah, i see how you're attractive to lots of dudes...). Instead, we see him go into protective brother mode, because he doesn't see her as any more attractive to him than his sisters, but he loves her just as much. The creep plays on her (almost visible) desires (could the writers have made her any more obvious in how much she wanted him to be her dreamboat?) and then shoots her after calling her attention to the fact that he's just been setting her up all night. The whole setup and execution grossed me out the first time I saw it, and still does. What I love about the episode is the way everyone comes to her and lets her know, explicitly or in subtext, that they love her and always have, just the way she is. 

 

But it doesn't negate that TPTB took her there because she wasn't glamorous or sexy in the TV way that JJ and Emily are. They played totally off the fact that she wasn't conventionally attractive, and that I don't like.

[Droogie]

Wow - CBS have really ramped up the promotion of the show lately! I don't ever remember seeing so much before. A lot of it makes me cringe a bit but still. Is it all tied into building up to support the spin off do we think?

It certainly seems like more promotion than I was seeing this time last summer.

Could it be that last year, they genuinely thought S10 would be the end, even if they had just signed JLH, and figured the show in its time slot would sort of sell itself? And now that they've eked out a S11 (which many of us, including me, didn't expect, at least early on in S10), and they're now like oh, woah, this is really happening and there's a spinoff and everything. Maybe we should pay our old dark horse some attention...

Just a thought...

[ForeverAlone]

I have always been a bit ambivalent about that aspect of "Penelope." Yes, the underlying message (intentional or not) was that if you are a Penelope in life, you need to be suspicious of any smoking hot men who want to date you. On the one hand, it can be a bit insulting to presume that no hot man would want to date a woman who is not conventionally hot. On the other hand, I personally would be HIGHLY suspicious if any smoking hot man approached me like Jason did to Penelope. I would assume he either lost a bet or was looking to exploit me in some way. And it was those insecurities I think that were shown in Penelope, and I think there is some realism to that (as unpleasant at it might be to acknowledge). As she herself put it, she is not the woman men write love songs about in the sense that men are immediately attracted to her. At least the type of men who hang out in bars. But she does fine when men get to know her, though probably not with most smoking hot men. Based on that episode, she was not the recipient of a lot of attractive male attention, at least from men who knew nothing about her. Because of that, she herself was very reluctant to believe it could be genuine, and if Morgan hadn't acted so amazed that a smoking hot man would want to date her, she would have followed her instincts and shunned Jason. But her emotional reaction to call him up, after throwing his number in the trash, was basically a defense mechanism to hopefully prove Morgan (and her own internal voice) wrong. I think there are many, many situations where the "Gift of Fear" (read the book by Gavin deBecker if you haven't) kicks in, and you KNOW deep down there is something off about it, but too many times, we ignore that voice for a variety of reasons and end up in dangerous situations. Penelope absolutely knew something was off about Jason's approach, because she was not typically the recipient of that sort of attention. But she wanted Morgan to validate that the attention COULD be genuine, but he wasn't able to fake it and lie. 

 

I have always been of the opinion that Penelope has wanted Morgan in some form or fashion, but Morgan just doesn't see her that way. It is possibly my own personal prejudice in that I don't engage in that sort of sexual innuendo talk with a man I am not attracted to, while I think Morgan fed off it as an ego boost, like I have seen other men do in real life. It is certainly not PC to acknowledge that sort of double standard, but I do think it reflects at least a partial reality. Or I should say, I completely relate to the underlying message that episode, and the Morgan/Penelope connection has pushed for years. 

Wow - CBS have really ramped up the promotion of the show lately! I don't ever remember seeing so much before. A lot of it makes me cringe a bit but still. Is it all tied into building up to support the spin off do we think?

Yeah, much of their social media promotion makes me cringe too. Too often, they either get facts wrong, or they focus on what I consider the "wrong" things and completely miss the point of some episodes, or they emphasize things that seem off. I wonder who is running their social media promotion, because they often seem way less informed that devoted fans. 

[Cobalt Stargazer]

We have her being upbeat because an attractive guy gave her the time of day, even expressed enough interest to ask her out on a date. She says this to Derek, expecting or hoping he'll say, Yeah, go for it Baby Girl, you're all that (for some people, not me, but yeah, i see how you're attractive to lots of dudes...). Instead, we see him go into protective brother mode, because he doesn't see her as any more attractive to him than his sisters, but he loves her just as much. The creep plays on her (almost visible) desires (could the writers have made her any more obvious in how much she wanted him to be her dreamboat?) and then shoots her after calling her attention to the fact that he's just been setting her up all night. The whole setup and execution grossed me out the first time I saw it, and still does. What I love about the episode is the way everyone comes to her and lets her know, explicitly or in subtext, that they love her and always have, just the way she is. 

 

But it doesn't negate that TPTB took her there because she wasn't glamorous or sexy in the TV way that JJ and Emily are. They played totally off the fact that she wasn't conventionally attractive, and that I don't like.

 

The only reason I dispute the idea that Garcia has ever really wanted Morgan to see her that way is because its also canon that he was half-naked and wet in her apartment after she and Kevin had a fight, (and I was wrong before, it wasn't Damaged, it was another episode) and she seemed shocked and even a little disturbed at the idea that they might have actually done something. I do think they flirt way too much, and that its way inappropriate for a work situation, but if she really had this deep-seated longing for him, wouldn't Towel Clad!Morgan have been the perfect Morgan to test that theory on?

 

As for Emily and JJ, FWIW I think JJ is more "conventionally" attractive. Personally, I think Emily is gorgeous, and brunettes are more to my taste anyway, but her looks are just a touch off-kilter, and once I read all those comments about her nose on the old CM thread I couldn't stop noticing it. Not even in a bad way, because she's beautiful, but blonde, blue eyed JJ might be seen as the ideal before Emily was.

[ForeverAlone]

I can see why Penelope would have been weirded out in the situation with towel Morgan. First off, she was still in a relationship with Kevin at that point, and even though they were having problems, I don't think she was ready to dump him just yet. So to realize you might have drunkenly cheated on your boyfriend can be a heart stopping moment, even if it with a friend you are sexually attracted to. Plus, if they had had sex, she would have been blackout drunk, and I think it would freak most people out to wake up and realize they had sex with someone (even their hot friend) and they didn't remember it. It was not exactly the ideal situation to develop a potential relationship, even with a friend you are attracted to. 

 

Again, based on my own personal experiences, I have a hard time thinking Penelope doesn't want Morgan on some level. I can easily see why Morgan would have that sort of talk with Penelope if he wasn't that into her (again, ego boost), but I have a hard time picturing why Penelope would engage in that sort of inappropriate work behavior. Maybe it was an ego boost as well (to a certain point, because she knew he didn't see her that way), but just from my own personal experiences, every male friend I ever had that sort of talk with, was a man I was actually attracted to (even if he was not available). So it colors my interpretation of the whole Morgan/Penelope friendship. 

[Bookish Jen]

Happy Wednesday, My Nerds!

 

"Spencer, be a lamb, and hand me my drawers," asked a fully-sated Bookish Jen.

 

[Bookish Jen]

My friend Susan mentioned in a FB post that the AC had broken down at work so she turned on a small fan on to cool off. I posted a comment saying, "Look who is here to fan you off." complete with a photo of a shirtless Shemar Moore, or in other words, a photo of Shemar Moore.

Edited July 29, 2015 by Bookish Jen

[Danielg342]

Yeah, Shemar Moore has an allergy to his shirt. Then again, if I had abs like him I probably would be too. :p

[Cobalt Stargazer]

and I do respect that :0)

 

This took me longer than I thought, sorry for any grammar mistake.

 

However, personally, I don't think Hotch's tactical decision must be tied up to anybody's addiction. One thing is the job and life or death matters and another one is knowing that decision is going to cause pain to people who are your friends out of the job, so I'm going to borrow your words and say Reid's grief (or anyone else) was not a priority. It would be impossible working in an enviorement where you can't do anything when extreme measures are needed because maybe someone (friend or not) is not capable of coping. 

 

If Reid was visiting JJ for 6 weeks, JJ was a supportive friend, at least for that time. It was when Emily came back when her attitude was insufferable. As you have said, Reid has to be responsible for himself but maybe they should have watching him closer. But JJ's childish behabior was out of line, I mean, she was acting like the cool kid in the cool super secrecy team (Hotch, Emily and herself)  and everybody should be kissing her ass instead of giving her the cold shoulder. The insinuation of JJ being better profiler than Reid because he didn't catch he was being fooled is a slap in the face, Reid's face, in "every team member not involved in faking a death" faces's,  in fans' faces!!!

 

A point which I do agree with you, it's the irresponsiblility of JJ and Emily, playing games like nothing was happening.

 

And something that bothers me is if Hotch was having some kind of sessions with the team to control their grief why he didn't see that coming,  and if Reid was worse after those sessions were finished why JJ didn't tell him Reid was taking things that bad.

 

Another issue is how they gave Emily new identities and money just like that, I found most believable Emily surviving on her own than JJ having power to make all that happen without anyone noticing.

 

And this is why "Show, don't tell" matters.

 

Emily "died" in Lauren, and then was revealed to be alive in It Takes A Village. In real time, that was a little over seven months. On the show, as per Reid's remarks to JJ, that was ten weeks, which is two months and change. Ignoring that huge disparity, there were a lot of things related to Prentiss' "death" that were covered - not just the grief counseling, but Strauss telling Hotch that his own assessment was missing from the report she was looking over, Rossi asking Aaron where he went to discuss his loss (not to mention comparing it to Haley's death), and Garcia staring mournfully at Prentiss' memorial picture on the wall with those of other fallen agents. And of course Morgan saying that he sometimes felt like putting aside his badge, quitting so that he could go after Doyle himself. Granted, I consider Reid's addiction the biggest issue, and not just because I'm a fan, but because starting to use again might have killed him. If he had died, wouldn't it have made things doubly tragic because he believed that he was never going to see the actually alive Emily again? To just have that glossed over for some bogus "We're family" crap is the same thing that pissed me off about [The Forever People, particularly since JJ couldn't get Spencer to shut up fast enough when he was the one trying to get her to talk.