Supernatural Survival Game

[SueB]

Thinning the herd.

 

Wishful Thinking has "On Thursday's we're Teddy Bear doctors." plus the suicidal/existential crisis bear is all kinds of awesome.  On the other hand, the rapist jerk gets off free with nothing more than a stern talking too.  Not cool.

 

It's a Terrible Life - I did love the premise.  It was so "The Office" with Sam and the "turn it on, turn it off" schtick.  And Dean was a delight as a yuppie.  I liked the way they found themselves back to hunting and a connection.  On the other hand, it's such a jarring tone shift from the previous episode, it always makes me a little mad.  Which is unfair criticism but that's what comes to mind.

 

-- It's a Terrible Life
-- Wishful Thinking

+ On the Head of a Pin

 

36 - Lazarus Rising
23 - The Monster at the End of This Book
18 - In the Beginning
16 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

08 - On the Head of a Pin

05 - Monster Movie

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever

It's a Terrible Life

Wishful Thinking

[catrox14]

And now the ugly grudge matches begin.

+On the Head of a Pin

+Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

--Monster at the End of This Book

 

36 - Lazarus Rising
21- The Monster at the End of This Book
18 - In the Beginning
17 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

09 - On the Head of a Pin

05 - Monster Movie

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever

It's a Terrible Life

Wishful Thinking

[AwesomO4000]

Wishful Thinking has "On Thursday's we're Teddy Bear doctors." plus the suicidal/existential crisis bear is all kinds of awesome.  On the other hand, the rapist jerk gets off free with nothing more than a stern talking too.  Not cool.

 

It's a Terrible Life - I did love the premise.  It was so "The Office" with Sam and the "turn it on, turn it off" schtick.  And Dean was a delight as a yuppie.  I liked the way they found themselves back to hunting and a connection.  On the other hand, it's such a jarring tone shift from the previous episode, it always makes me a little mad.  Which is unfair criticism but that's what comes to mind.

 

More on "Wishful Thinking" - I also liked both Audrey and Todd. Both "For tea parties!" (complete with implied Duh!) and "Kneel before Todd" always make me smile. I do agree that Not Joxer* got a pass too easily, but at least Baby got a parting shot on Peeping Tom teenager.

 

More on "It's A Terrible Life" - I enjoyed this one. The ghost story was good, Zachariah was suitably smarmy, and the dialogue was often a lot of fun. Some memorable moments for me: the whole "you over-share" scene with Dean S. and Sam Wes. in the elevator, the guest appearance by the Ghostfacers, Sam not wanting to go out the stuck elevator - he may not have his memory, but he ain't stupid - and the aftermath, and how they decided they wanted to find out what was going on (paraphrase) "I'd love to go investigate this right now" "Yeah, right?" It was nice for me to have a break from the relentless gloom and doom, so even though it was a shift in tone, I'm gonna put the blame for that on the episode that bummed me out rather than entertained me.

 

And so with that said... time to concentrate my efforts on the remaining episodes.

 

 

-- Lazurus Rising

-- On The Head..

-- Are You There...

 

34 - Lazarus Rising

21- The Monster at the End of This Book

18 - In the Beginning

15 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

07 - On the Head of a Pin

05 - Monster Movie

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue

Criss Angel Is a Douchebag

Family Remains

Metamorphosis

Sex and Violence

I Know What You Did Last Summer

Heaven and Hell

After School Special

It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester

The Rapture

When the Levee Breaks

Jump the Shark

Lucifer Rising

Death Takes a Holiday

Yellow Fever

It's a Terrible Life

Wishful Thinking

[DittyDotDot]

Sorry AwesomO, I tried; I really, really tried. ;)

 

 

-- In the Beginning
-- On the Head of a Pin

-- Monster Movie

 

 

34 - Lazarus Rising
21- The Monster at the End of This Book
16 - In the Beginning
15 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

05 - On the Head of a Pin

03 - Monster Movie

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever

It's a Terrible Life

Wishful Thinking

Edited September 20, 2014 by DittyDotDot

[ohjoy]

I had a rather long day yesterday and so I missed the demise of Wishful Thinking. R.I.P. Wishful Thinking; Audrey and her teddy bear got me through many a sad time back in the day.

Are we going cutthroat now! This ought to be fun. :-)

 

-- The Monster at the End of This Book

+ Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

-- Monster Movie

 

 

34 - Lazarus Rising

19 - The Monster at the End of This Book

16 - In the Beginning

16 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

05 - On the Head of a Pin

01 - Monster Movie

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue

Criss Angel Is a Douchebag

Family Remains

Metamorphosis

Sex and Violence

I Know What You Did Last Summer

Heaven and Hell

After School Special

It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester

The Rapture

When the Levee Breaks

Jump the Shark

Lucifer Rising

Death Takes a Holiday

Yellow Fever

It's a Terrible Life

Wishful Thinking

[SueB]

At this point, I have zero complaints about any of the remaining episodes (Wishful Thinking Sam Rami guy was the last one).  So, at this point, it's just "preference".  I truly think there was some actual brilliance in Season 4.  Many don't like it but this is the year that introduced Angels, went meta to a whole new level, time travel, dogs & cats living together -- it was anarchy!  ...ahem...sorry.

 

Monster Movie is one of those delightful high concept episodes that Supernatural does.  And it's the attention to detail that I really loved.  Jared and Jensen look like they could be those chiseled jawed leads in a 1950's film.  But more than that, the way the music cues and camera angles that contributed that made it so "right".  That last "dramatic shot" of Dean on the floor with Jamie standing there with the gun and the monster dead in the chair.  Just perfect. And of course we had Dean claiming he had been re-hymanated, and in lederhosen and Sam busting him on Porky's II.  Just a joy IMO. 

 

-- In the Beginning
+ On the Head of a Pin
-- Monster Movie


34 - Lazarus Rising
19 - The Monster at the End of This Book
16 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

14 - In the Beginning

06 - On the Head of a Pin


Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking

Monster Movie

[catrox14]

+ Are You There God? It's Me, Dean Winchester
+ On the Head of a Pin
-- The Monster at the End of This Book

34 - Lazarus Rising
17 - The Monster at the End of This Book
17 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

14 - In the Beginning

07 - On the Head of a Pin

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking

Monster Movie

Edited September 21, 2014 by catrox14

[AwesomO4000]

At this point, I have zero complaints about any of the remaining episodes (Wishful Thinking Sam Rami guy was the last one).  So, at this point, it's just "preference".

 

I wish I was there with you, but with the departure of "Monster Movie" - which you gave a fitting tribute to - many of my favorites are gone. I don't have many complaints about most of the episodes left, but some of my complaints are kinda big ones.

 

-- Are You There, God..

-- On the Head...

+ The Monster...

 

34 - Lazarus Rising

18 - The Monster at the End of This Book

15 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

14 - In the Beginning

05 - On the Head of a Pin

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue

Criss Angel Is a Douchebag

Family Remains

Metamorphosis

Sex and Violence

I Know What You Did Last Summer

Heaven and Hell

After School Special

It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester

The Rapture

When the Levee Breaks

Jump the Shark

Lucifer Rising

Death Takes a Holiday

Yellow Fever

It's a Terrible Life

Wishful Thinking

Monster Movie

Edited September 21, 2014 by AwesomO4000

[7kstar]

-- Are You There, God..

+On the Head...

+ In the Beginning

 

34 - Lazarus Rising
18 - The Monster at the End of This Book

15 - In the Beginning

13 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

06 - On the Head of a Pin

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue

Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking

Monster Movie

 

I know it is a matter of time but I'll fight for it a bit longer....

I liked Monster Movie and it was a nice throwback ep and Dean in lederhosen is a hoot.

Edited September 21, 2014 by 7kstar

[DittyDotDot]

-- In the Beginning

+ Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

-- On the Head of a Pin

 

34 - Lazarus Rising
18 - The Monster at the End of This Book

14 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

13 - In the Beginning

05 - On the Head of a Pin

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue

Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking

Monster Movie

[ohjoy]

-- In the Beginning

+ Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

-- The Monster at the End of This Book

 

34 - Lazarus Rising

16 - The Monster at the End of This Book

15 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

11 - In the Beginning

05 - On the Head of a Pin

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue

Criss Angel Is a Douchebag

Family Remains

Metamorphosis

Sex and Violence

I Know What You Did Last Summer

Heaven and Hell

After School Special

It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester

The Rapture

When the Levee Breaks

Jump the Shark

Lucifer Rising

Death Takes a Holiday

Yellow Fever

It's a Terrible Life

Wishful Thinking

Monster Movie

[catrox14]

+On the Head of a Pin

+Lazarus Rising

+Are You There, God? It's me, Dea Winchester

35-Lazarus Rising

16 - The Monster at the End of This BookYo6

16- Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

11 - In the Beginning

06 - On the Head of a Pin

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue

Criss Angel Is a Douchebag

Family Remains

Metamorphosis

Sex and Violence

I Know What You Did Last Summer

Heaven and Hell

After School Special

It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester

The Rapture

When the Levee Breaks

Jump the Shark

Lucifer Rising

Death Takes a Holiday

Yellow Fever

It's a Terrible Life

Wishful Thinking

Monster Movie

[SueB]

+ On the Head of a Pin
-- In the Beginning
+ The Monster at the End of This Book

 

35-Lazarus Rising
17 - The Monster at the End of This Book
16- Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester
09 - In the Beginning
07 - On the Head of a Pin

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking
Monster Movie

[AwesomO4000]

Am I missing something concerning "Are You There, God...?" Weirdly besides the ghosts - and weirdly chosen ones who were centering on the wrong characters sometimes * - coming back, I'm not remembering much about that episode. I did like that Sam rescued Bobby, but I'm missing something here, I think. I'm willing to hear arguments for it though.

 

* In my opinion, Ronald should've been going after Sam rather than Dean, but for some reason, the ghosts were all focused on Dean.

 

Until then...

 

-- Lazurus Rising

-- Are You There, God...

-- On the Head...

 

33-Lazarus Rising
17 - The Monster at the End of This Book
14- Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester
09 - In the Beginning
05 - On the Head of a Pin

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence

I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking
Monster Movie

[catrox14]

I loved seeing Meg, Hendricksen and Ronald even if the story wasn't great. For me, AYTGIMDW is all about Dean's atheism being challenged and his overwhelming discomfort with being chosen to do work for an entity that he doesn't believe exists. But the capper is the penultimate scene between Dean and Cas. That is a masterclass of nuanced, underplayed yet compelling and frightening acting.  Cas was pretty damn scary.  And I love Dean's face during the conversation with Sam about Sam not having trouble believing that angels exist, and finally his look of 'great, now I have to explain Lucifer. '

Edited September 22, 2014 by catrox14

[DittyDotDot]

I love the argument Sam and Dean have throughout Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester. There's also some really well-crafted dialogue in the episode. I didn't think they were focused on Dean at all--Henrikson first goes after Sam; the real Meg did some yelling at both Sam and Dean; Ronald appeared first to all of them. For the most part, they were going after all of them as I recall. I just thought the episode was an interesting twist on the witnesses and we got to see some old favorites again...what could be better?

 

+ Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester
-- In the Beginning
-- On the Head of a Pin

 

33 - Lazarus Rising
17 - The Monster at the End of This Book
15 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester
07 - In the Beginning
03 - On the Head of a Pin

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence

I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking
Monster Movie

[catrox14]

I'm going to plead for OtHofaP one last time because my baby is in critical condition. I can't vote until later today but maybe my plea will be heard at least for another day.

 

I agree that the pacing was off and I do think it would have been better served as a two part episode so we could really delve into Dean's Hell experience beyond what we got. It could have easily been a bottle episode of Alastair and Dean playing mind games with each other or for at least 3/4 of it. Sam pretty much had his bottle episode in I Know What You Did Last Summer. We got to see what exactly happened and the focused remained on Sam throughout.

 

Dean's Hell time deserved that kind of examination but I think they didn't because IMO the arc of the season was never really about Dean's trauma. It was about what it did to Sam, why it compelled Sam to act out and go to the extremes he did to not feel so powerless as he did with not being able to get Dean out of Hell, which is a worthy examination and needed to be done but not to the near exclusion of Dean's Hell story.

 

Which is why I treasure this episode for giving us SOME insight into what happened to Dean. The first time I watched it, I thought it was opening the door to more onscreen time devoted to Dean's trauma but sadly that never came. But I can't hold it against the episode for the lack of follow-up.

 

That said, I just found Jensen and Heyerdahl's work utterly compelling. I think Jensen did some of his most artful, nuanced internal work I've seen him do. Jensen IMO always plays it that Dean has something going on inside. And I thought this was a perfect example of that.

 

Alastair was Dean's torturer and abuser and teacher (eep). Alastair controlled Dean's existence for 30 years. Literally. But then he allowed Dean to have his own power, but Alastair still could have taken that away from Dean whenever he wanted. So to me, Jensen was playing it almost like a victim of abuse that faces his/her abuser for the first time and has a chance to have power over the person that controlled everything about their life but in their mind they really don't no matter what.

 

I think it was a lot of bravado on Dean's part that was mixed with fear of Alastair even though logically Dean has the advantage. I thought Jensen was playing it that Dean was fighting the entire time to not fall for the manipulations and mental duress that Alastair was meting out. And to not let that really horrible dark side of him that 'liked' torturing either because of what it made him into. [HAHAHAHAHA s10 :(:(:(:( ]

 

I thought Jensen was amazing in the scene when Alastair reveals that Dean broke the first seal.  It wasn't an external freakout like some actors might have played. IMO Dean died inside right then and there and his face matched that internal death. It was completely believable. I think that is why the hospital scene is so effective. Dean was dead before Alastair nearly beat him to death and that was who Castiel was talking to in the hospital. The defeated and mentally dead Dean.

 

What I found even more interesting was the trust between Heyerdahl and Jensen. To push it like they did. Jensen really did pour whatever that was into Heyerdahl's mouth and Heyerdahl really was throttling Jensen. 

 

Anyway, thanks for listening :)

Edited September 22, 2014 by catrox14

[ohjoy]

Alright, you talked me into it. :-)

+ Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

+ On the Head of a Pin

-- In the Beginning

33 - Lazarus Rising

17 - The Monster at the End of This Book

16 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

05 - In the Beginning

04 - On the Head of a Pin

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue

Criss Angel Is a Douchebag

Family Remains

Metamorphosis

Sex and Violence

I Know What You Did Last Summer

Heaven and Hell

After School Special

It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester

The Rapture

When the Levee Breaks

Jump the Shark

Lucifer Rising

Death Takes a Holiday

Yellow Fever

It's a Terrible Life

Wishful Thinking

Monster Movie

[catrox14]

+ Lazarus Rising
+On the Head of a Pin
-- The Monster at the End of This Book

34 - Lazarus Rising

16 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester
15 - The Monster at the End of This Book
05 - In the Beginning
05- On the Head of a Pin

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking
Monster Movie

[7kstar]

+ In the Beginning
+On the Head of a Pin
-- The Monster at the End of This Book

 

34 - Lazarus Rising

16 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester
13 - The Monster at the End of This Book
06 - In the Beginning
06- On the Head of a Pin

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking
Monster Movie

Edited September 23, 2014 by 7kstar

[SueB]

 

IMO Dean died inside right then and there and his face matched that internal death. It was completely believable.

I was so inspired by your write-up I rewatched it.  I still love this episode and ITA on Dean dying right there.  The weight of the Apocalypse falls squarely on him at that moment. I don't think it ever completely leaves. OTOH, losing Sam was punishment for him, I think. So, I feel we see less guilt post return of Sam but still world-weary.  In S7 he's ready to let the world run off the freaking cliff he's so tired.  And I think that while prior to OTHOAP he felt guilty about the torturing, I believe post this, his hope that he was brought back to 'do good' is crushed. Instead, he's brought back to clean up his mess.  I think the breaking of the seal reveal was a pivotal moment for him.

 

-- In the Beginning

+ On the Head of a Pin

-- Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

 

34 - Lazarus Rising

14 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

13 - The Monster at the End of This Book

07- On the Head of a Pin

04 - In the Beginning

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue

Criss Angel Is a Douchebag

Family Remains

Metamorphosis

Sex and Violence

I Know What You Did Last Summer

Heaven and Hell

After School Special

It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester

The Rapture

When the Levee Breaks

Jump the Shark

Lucifer Rising

Death Takes a Holiday

Yellow Fever

It's a Terrible Life

Wishful Thinking

Monster Movie

[catrox14]

Well, thanks SueB. That might be the nicest compliment I've ever had about something I've written. I'm a little verklempt.  

 

I've always been so disappointed that the show just kind of ended up blowing off that part of Dean's Hell experience.  I mean for me other than Dean going to Hell this was the most pivotal moment of Dean's life. He spent his whole life fighting monsters, saving people, hunting things to find out that he started the Apocalpyse because he wanted to end his own suffering by torturing others.  I mean that's a pretty damn great idea. It's just frustrating that the show opens this HUGE can of worms and then ends up throwing it away. Especially when you have an actor with the phenomenal skill that Jensen has who could do wonders with that kind of arc.  And of course now that Dean became a demon I'm sure they'll just blow that off too. :(.

Edited September 23, 2014 by catrox14

[AwesomO4000]

You gave a good argument for "OtHoaP", catrox14, but I also think that "In the Beginning" had some important moments. Dean learning about his mother's real history, Dean learning the truth about Sam and Azazel's ties to his family, and Dean's assurance to Azazel that he did/would kill him - I really liked that moment. So even though this was an almost entirely Dean episode - which I usually tend to prefer when the episodes are about both guys - I enjoyed that one much more than "OtHoaP." "In the Beginning" wasn't without its problems as well, but there were fewer for me and more moments I enjoyed, so...

 

I also prefer "Monster" to "Are You There..." (It's my last favorite episode left), so sorry that I gotta vote aginst "AYTGIMDW" - I'd rather vote against "Lucifer Rising" but...

 

-- Are You There God...

-- On the Head...

+ In the Beginning

 

32 - Lazarus Rising

13 - The Monster at the End of This Book

12 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester
05- On the Head of a Pin

05 - In the Beginning

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking
Monster Movie

[DittyDotDot]

You did give an eloquent testament to On The Head Of A Pin, catrox14, but I'm sorry, I still don't see what you see. However, I applaud your effort and almost gave it a break today on the basis of your effort. But I'm sorry, I can't. I just don't like it and my recent re-watch is too recent for me to ignore my dislike, I think. I really am sorry.

 

+ Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester
-- On the Head of a Pin

-- In the Beginning

 

32 - Lazarus Rising

13 - The Monster at the End of This Book

13 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester
03- On the Head of a Pin

03 - In the Beginning

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking
Monster Movie

[Demented Daisy]

In the Beginning +

On the Head of a Pin --

Are You There, God?  It's Me, Dean Winchester  --

 

32 - Lazarus Rising
13 - The Monster at the End of This Book
11 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester
03 - In the Beginning

01- On the Head of a Pin

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking
Monster Movie

Edited September 23, 2014 by Demented Daisy

[ohjoy]

Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester +

In the Beginning --

On the Head of a Pin +

 

 

32 - Lazarus Rising
13 - The Monster at the End of This Book
12 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester
02 - On the Head of a Pin

01 - In the Beginning

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking
Monster Movie

[catrox14]

You're going to pry the Pin out of my cold dead hand.  :)

 

+Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

--The Monster at the End of This Book

+On the Head of a Pin

 

32 - Lazarus Rising

13 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

11 - The Monster at the End of This Book
03 - On the Head of a Pin

01 - In the Beginning

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking
Monster Movie

[7kstar]

You're going to pry the Pin out of my cold dead hand.  :)

 

Nah, it got bumped one more time.  On the other hand -   In the beginning...sniff sniff

 

--Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

+ In the Beginning

+ On the Head of a Pin

 

32 - Lazarus Rising

11 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

11 - The Monster at the End of This Book

04 - On the Head of a Pin

02 - In the Beginning

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue

Criss Angel Is a Douchebag

Family Remains

Metamorphosis

Sex and Violence

I Know What You Did Last Summer

Heaven and Hell

After School Special

It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester

The Rapture

When the Levee Breaks

Jump the Shark

Lucifer Rising

Death Takes a Holiday

Yellow Fever

It's a Terrible Life

Wishful Thinking

Monster Movie

 

I know I'm alone on In the beginning but I couldn't let it go yet.  Sam finally meeting his younger parents, the shut up in the back seat with two grown men reacting like boys.  And the ending with Mary telling Dean that the angels are watching over you and really knowing how awful that makes it..

Edited September 24, 2014 by 7kstar

[DittyDotDot]

I know I'm alone on In the beginning but I couldn't let it go yet.  Sam finally meeting his younger parents, the shut up in the back seat with two grown men reacting like boys.  And the ending with Mary telling Dean that the angels are watching over you and really knowing how awful that makes it..

 

Well, then you may be disappointed to learn that episode is not In The Beginning...it's a S5 episode called The Song Remains The Same. In The Beginning, Dean goes back alone and meets John and Mary before they were married. It's the episode where we learn that Mary made a deal to save John and unwittingly sacrificed Sam in the process. I probably shouldn't have mentioned it, right?

 

BTW, I like both of these episodes, just like others a bit more is all.

Edited September 24, 2014 by DittyDotDot

[ohjoy]

I know I'm alone on In the beginning but I couldn't let it go yet. Sam finally meeting his younger parents, the shut up in the back seat with two grown men reacting like boys. And the ending with Mary telling Dean that the angels are watching over you and really knowing how awful that makes it..

I hate to say this, but those scenes are not from "In the Beginning." They're all from "The Song Remains the Same," which is in Season 5.

ETA: Or what DittyDotDot said. :-)

Edited September 24, 2014 by RandomMe

[catrox14]

I liked In the Beginning. I loved Jensen's scene with Mary when he tells her to not get out bed. Holy shit, that face.  Just you stop it Jensen. You stop it right now.  I just like the others more.  My least favorite amongst the remaining is MATEotB.  I just don't really get the love for the episode overall. I like parts of it but mostly I don't like it.

[DittyDotDot]

Are you asking for someone to explain all the love to you? Ah, nevermind, it's next on my re-watch, so I'll save my comments for then.

 

I really didn't mean for that to sound like a threat. Hee!

[catrox14]

LOL no I understand why it's loved. I just don't concur. I think it's too disjointed. It had some really funny moments but I didn't like the ultimate outcome overall episode and I really don't like the actress playing Lilith.

[AwesomO4000]

My least favorite amongst the remaining is MATEotB.

 

And that's my favorite episode left and the only one left from my top 5.

 

It really is interesting how polarizing season 4 seems to be. If I'm remembering correctly this is the first season so far where we've had so many differences of opinons on multiple episodes.

 

As for "Monster at the End..." I didn't mind the meta, and I think this series does it very well.  I loved the introduction of Chuck, and the other one off characters were also interesting and fun for me, especially the publisher. I enjoyed the fun scenes - especially the one of Sam and Dean in the laundromat - but I also enjoyed many of the serious scenes. I liked the peek inside Sam's head as he was talking with Chuck. And I especially liked the ending where they really upped the creepiness of the Zachariah character for me. Kurt Fuller does a great job here in my opinion.  And it's here where Zach realy became a worthy villain for me. It was one of my favorite scenes of the episode, and I really felt for Chuck in it. I would never have thought that the implications of bringing someone back to life - and Zach said it so off-handedly and personably - would so illustrate futility, or the line "What you always do. Write" would be so creepy.

 

That was the predecessor of the "Angels are watching over you" line from "The Song Remains the Same" which was just as creepy for similar reasons. But the angels being creepy and manipulative really started in earnest for me with "The Monster..."

[SueB]

It really is interesting how polarizing season 4 seems to be. If I'm remembering correctly this is the first season so far where we've had so many differences of opinons on multiple episodes.

 

 

I KNOW!  How about after we finish this round, we each post our top 3 from S4 with a short explanation of "why" those three.  I mean, it's not REQUIRED or anything, but it would be fun because this voting is all over the freaking map and I really want to know what everyone's top 3 are -- cause I'm not sure.

 

But...In The Beginning...

- There was the temporal paradox where not only did Dean's attempt to kill YED put him on Mary's scent, he also convinced John to buy Baby

- Mitch Pileggi transforms from crusty hunter to sassy YED in the blink of an eye

- Mary is a babe, and Dean is going to Hell. Again.

- Cas watches Dean sleeping, continuing the "completely lacks a sense of personal space" character trait that makes Cas so f*cking fantastic

- Sony and Cher were still together

All in all, a fantastic introduction to time travel -- with a different set of rules which is fitting for Supernatural.  Mary's backstory becomes unbelievable, and Dean rips out our hearts telling her not to go into that nursery.  *sigh*

 

 

-- Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

-- In the Beginning

+ On the Head of a Pin

 

32 - Lazarus Rising

11 - The Monster at the End of This Book

09 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

05 - On the Head of a Pin

 

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue

Criss Angel Is a Douchebag

Family Remains

Metamorphosis

Sex and Violence

I Know What You Did Last Summer

Heaven and Hell

After School Special

It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester

The Rapture

When the Levee Breaks

Jump the Shark

Lucifer Rising

Death Takes a Holiday

Yellow Fever

It's a Terrible Life

Wishful Thinking

Monster Movie

In the Beginning

[DittyDotDot]

It really is interesting how polarizing season 4 seems to be. If I'm remembering correctly this is the first season so far where we've had so many differences of opinons on multiple episodes.

 

Not to be a know it all, but if you dig back to the beginning of this round, I believe I said something very adjacent to this thought. I think it's the season they really moved away from what they used to be. And it's the first time they pit Sam and Dean against each other, which only served to divide the fans, IMO. But seriously, I bet it's more polarizing than S5.

 

I KNOW!  How about after we finish this round, we each post our top 3 from S4 with a short explanation of "why" those three.  I mean, it's not REQUIRED or anything, but it would be fun because this voting is all over the freaking map and I really want to know what everyone's top 3 are -- cause I'm not sure.

 

I'm always up for a good-old-fashion love and gush fest, should we move it to the Best/Worst thread, or would it make more sense here?

[catrox14]

I think s5 is equally polarizing. There were some terribad episodes in s5 but then it also has some of the best episodes of the entire series including 3 of my favorites from the entire series.  S4 never made me want to rage quit the show like s5

[DittyDotDot]

I mean polarizing in the fandom not personally. When we've done those lists in the Best/Worst thread (here and at TWoP) it seems to be the one that has no consensus to it as to what is liked and hated. For as many people that love one episode, just as many seem to loathe it. I think S5 has a bit more consensus within the fandom of what was liked and all. I did say a bit, right?

[AwesomO4000]

I think s5 is equally polarizing. There were some terribad episodes in s5 but then it also has some of the best episodes of the entire series including 3 of my favorites from the entire series.  S4 never made me want to rage quit the show like s5

 

It'll be interesting to see if we differ in which episodes are "bad" though and which are "best" - which seems to be the case here.

 

As for pissing me off... season 4 pissed me off more than season 5 did by a large margin. I might be weird, but with very few exceptions, I loved season 5.

 

Or what triple D said quicker than me.

 

And dammit, I had to wait for my time to vote and so didn't get to save "In the Beginning". Well this means my vote is pretty much gonna be the same every time from now on since I only have one favorite episode left. *grumble, grumble, grumble*...

 

 

-- Lazurus Rising

-- Are You There, God...

-- On the Head of a Pin

 

30 - Lazarus Rising

11 - The Monster at the End of This Book

07 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

03 - On the Head of a Pin

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue

Criss Angel Is a Douchebag

Family Remains

Metamorphosis

Sex and Violence

I Know What You Did Last Summer

Heaven and Hell

After School Special

It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester

The Rapture

When the Levee Breaks

Jump the Shark

Lucifer Rising

Death Takes a Holiday

Yellow Fever

It's a Terrible Life

Wishful Thinking

Monster Movie

In the Beginning

Edited September 24, 2014 by AwesomO4000

[catrox14]

I was just citing my own personal things that I liked but I meant polarizing in fandom

[Demented Daisy]

On the Head of a Pin --

AYT,G?  IM, DW --

TMatEoTB +

 

30 - Lazarus Rising
12 - The Monster at the End of This Book
05 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester
01 - On the Head of a Pin

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking
Monster Movie
In the Beginning

[DittyDotDot]

I think it's time to move on...

 

-- The Monster at the End of This Book
-- Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester
-- On the Head of a Pin

 

30 - Lazarus Rising
10 - The Monster at the End of This Book
03 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking
Monster Movie
In the Beginning

On the Head of a Pin

[catrox14]

/weeps quietly

[ohjoy]

Dean's angry "You're gonna get me some pie" warrants what's likely its final + of the game. ;-)

 

-- Lazarus Rising

-- The Monster at the End of This Book
+ Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

 

 

28 - Lazarus Rising
08 - The Monster at the End of This Book
04 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking
Monster Movie
In the Beginning

On the Head of a Pin

[catrox14]

+ Lazarus Rising

-- The Monster at the End of This Book
+ Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

 

29 - Lazarus Rising
06- The Monster at the End of This Book
05 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking
Monster Movie
In the Beginning

On the Head of a Pin

[SueB]

Catrox did such a wonderful job of pre-eulogizing Oh The Head of A Pin that I don't think I could offer any better farewell....*sigh*

 

-- Lazarus Rising

+The Monster at the End of This Book
-- Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

 

27 - Lazarus Rising
07- The Monster at the End of This Book
03 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

 

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking
Monster Movie
In the Beginning

On the Head of a Pin

[7kstar]

-- Lazarus Rising

-- The Monster at the End of This Book
-- Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

 

25 - Lazarus Rising
05- The Monster at the End of This Book
01 - Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

 

Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking
Monster Movie
In the Beginning

On the Head of a Pin

 

Sniff, Sniff - Okay I did goof, but I do like in the beginning...Dean meeting John and trying to get him to buy the impala, Finding out how the boys got their name.  In my defense...I haven't watched season 4 or 5 more than once except for a few eps, so I did slip into the wrong season, but yes I still like In the beginning.

 

Actually monster isn't awful, but it did have some good moments, but to mourn the lost of two I enjoyed, I'll go with voting them all down.  I will have to think about my top three, but I'm only clear on my 1st place.

[Demented Daisy]

Lazarus Rising +

TMatEoTB +

AYT,G?  IM, DW --

 

26 - Lazarus Rising
06- The Monster at the End of This Book


Sent to Hell with No Hope of an Angel Rescue
Criss Angel Is a Douchebag
Family Remains
Metamorphosis
Sex and Violence
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Heaven and Hell
After School Special
It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester
The Rapture
When the Levee Breaks
Jump the Shark
Lucifer Rising
Death Takes a Holiday
Yellow Fever
It's a Terrible Life
Wishful Thinking
Monster Movie

In the Beginning
On the Head of a Pin

Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester

[DittyDotDot]

Should we call it now?  I think it's a forgone conclusion that Lazarus Rising will be the last episode standing. Plus, I can't bring myself to vote against just one of them. Either I down vote them both or I'll just hang back till this round is over.

[catrox14]

I think we can call it. I will just keep down voting MatEoTB