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S02.E06: The Price

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iMonrey

iMonrey

On 5/22/2025 at 6:33 AM, baldryanr said:

Yeah, after a couple of decades people are going to have a pretty reasonable feel for how long it takes to turn.

Here's the thing though. Nobody (alive) knows why Ellie is immune. Marlene might have known since she was there shortly after Ellie was born and could have put 2+2 together. But she never explained it to Joel. So as far as Joel knows, there could be other immune people. It seems like he'd be curious enough to find out, meaning instead of shooting someone on sight, waiting to see if they turn.

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Dev F

Dev F

4 hours ago, iMonrey said:

Here's the thing though. Nobody (alive) knows why Ellie is immune. Marlene might have known since she was there shortly after Ellie was born and could have put 2+2 together. But she never explained it to Joel. So as far as Joel knows, there could be other immune people. It seems like he'd be curious enough to find out, meaning instead of shooting someone on sight, waiting to see if they turn.

I think part of the subtext of Ellie's suspicions is that Joel claimed to know for a fact that the Fireflies found "dozens" of other immune people, but his behavior with Eugene suggests that he thinks she's the only one.

It's actually funny how many different ways the Eugene situation resonates with Ellie and Joel's issues:

  • Joel is immediately certain that Eugene needs to be put down, despite supposedly knowing that immunity isn't all that rare.
  • Joel makes a promise to Ellie that he has no intention of keeping, giving her what she recognizes as "the same fucking look" as when he swore that his story about the Fireflies was true.
  • Joel makes up a whole story about Eugene's final moments to make Gail feel better, the same way he told Ellie what he thought she needed to hear about what happened to the Fireflies.
  • Eugene's willingness to risk the safety of Jackson for the woman he loves echoes Joel's own choice to save Ellie at the cost of a vaccine—and the fact that Joel is on the other side of the issue now that someone he loves isn't involved is probably part of what provokes Ellie to deem his choice "selfish."
  • Eugene is himself a Firefly—something Ellie didn't know at the time, but it adds additional weight when Jesse later tells her and then implies that Joel had no choice but to murder that poor Firefly.
  • When Jesse shrugs that Eugene "couldn't be saved," it also highlights that he was one of the people who actually could've survived a nonfatal Cordyceps bite if the Fireflies hadn't been prevented from developing a cure.
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baldryanr

baldryanr

6 hours ago, iMonrey said:

Here's the thing though. Nobody (alive) knows why Ellie is immune. Marlene might have known since she was there shortly after Ellie was born and could have put 2+2 together. But she never explained it to Joel. So as far as Joel knows, there could be other immune people. It seems like he'd be curious enough to find out, meaning instead of shooting someone on sight, waiting to see if they turn.

After over two decades of running into just one immune person?  Joel didn't seem like the type to be that hopeful.

Joel may not have been paying attention, but Marlene did tell him about the theory of Ellie's fungus growing with her since birth.  So obviously the Fireflies should have tracked down pregnant women and infected them during delivery.  Science!

aghst

aghst

It's all fiction of course.  IF there were foreign objects in the brain, the person would likely have some kind of dysfunction.

Unless the fungus was in a part of her brain which affects impulse control so that it makes Ellie more violent.

Remember that lead exposure is associated with violence and the elimination of lead in the environment is   believed to have reduced crime.

Constantinople

Constantinople

 

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We're running out of space to put these people - Maria to Joel in S2E1

Then why do Joel and Ellie have their own house? Why does Gail have her own house and why, before Eugene died, did Gail and Eugene have their own house?

And why does the use of walkie talkies on patrol vary depending on the with all that entails.plot or what provides the most dramatic tension?

In the episode Joe and Ellie have a walkie talkie and presumably so did Eugene and his patrol partner. Otherwise Joel wouldn't have been notified that Eugene and patrol partner need back up, and Joel almost certainly wouldn't have shot Eugene with all that entails.

In the second episode of the season, every patrol has a walkie talkie. Tommy even tells someone to tell the radio operator to call all the patrols back.

Yet in the first episode the patrol that Ellie and Dina are on doesn't have a walkie talkie. The episode where Ellie just happens to be in danger from a "smart" infected?

 

mcree

mcree

On 5/25/2025 at 6:55 PM, T Summer said:

if Ellie believes so fervently that within her body lies the cure for all humanity, she sure takes a lot of  careless chances with it.

Her beliefs have changed over time.

  1. She was the one cure for humanity
  2. Joel's lie: not that unique, and the Fireflies couldn't make the cure work
  3. But maybe not entirely, doubting more over the years
  4. Confirming that Joel lied, losing that chance for the cure
  5. The "only" person that could make the cure work was killed by Joel

So at this point, her immunity is only a partial tactical advantage when dealing with infected, and anywhere there are spores. It is unlikely that she will ever be the source of a cure. Ellie is certainly reckless in her pursuit of Abby.

On 5/25/2025 at 6:55 PM, T Summer said:

The fool's errand she's on  can't bring Joel back.

Abby couldn't bring her father back, but that didn't stop her from seeking justice and closure. If Dina didn't shoot the guy that killed her mother and sister, she would have hunted him down forever. Seems like a theme.

 

12 hours ago, Constantinople said:

why do Joel and Ellie have their own house? Why does Gail have her own house

Because before the influx of refugees, there were plenty of houses (in good enough condition to occupy)? And now, to avoid creating resentment, established residents are not being forced to move or share their homes?

12 hours ago, Constantinople said:

in the first episode the patrol that Ellie and Dina are on doesn't have a walkie talkie

Cat is the team lead; maybe she has it. Not necessary to show her checking in: pretty boring TV.

 

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