S02.E13: Missing While Grieving

[AnimeMania]

When an elderly, blind man is accused of kidnapping his sister, M&A mounts an investigation to dig deeper; tension around Jamie's identity causes friction among M&A; a surprising death stirs suspicion around Sir's accomplice.

Premiere Date: February 20, 2025      NBC     10pm 

Willie C. Carpenter as Bernie

[andromeda331]

The case was a good one. When they mentioned the pastor had been fighting with his sister and blamed her for his wife's death. I knew Marie had asked Violet to help her die. I absolutely get why Marie and Violet did it and why the Pastor was so mad. I'd feel the same way losing any more time I could have had with my spouse/father etc. My brother's been named to pull the plug on our father if it happens. I can't because I know I can't do it. I do feel for Marie suffering and realizing it was time for her to go.

Can Sir be dead by the end of the season? I'm so tired of him.

Is Christian really dead? Or did Gabi lie.

"Jamie" had Jamie's toy? Who ever kidnapped Jamie had been in the house? That's scary. I hope Margaret's wrong about that. I'd rather it be a stranger. "Jamie" hasn't talked about what happene to him? About who took him?

I feel so bad for Margaret's daughters. They lose their brother and their mom. I understand why Margaret couldn't focus on anything but Jamie. She blamed herself for the kidnapping. But the flashbacks were hard to watch.

[possibilities]

I somehow didn't realize until this episode that Margaret has two daughters. I only remembered the one.

 

[luna1122again]

I thought it was kind of a leap to assume that whoever had taken the toy train from the house was a family friend or acquaintance. With the ease that Sir comes and goes into everyone's houses, I'd have just assumed that the kidnapper got in for some reason, whether to find that toy or something else, not that I knew them. 

So Jamie is really Jamie? He got his mole lasered off at age 10? But he doesn't remember other fundamental things? I know Margaret wants to take it easy on him, but him not answering ANYthing about what happened to him is weird. 

I don't want Sir to die. They're going to have to figure out something else to do with him than just sit in a prison cell to keep this interesting, but MPG is one of the reasons I watch the show. 

[Mrsmaul2021]

Another case I liked. The writers have to build up the weekly cases.  I have a couple of criticism. I think The Sir/Gabi dynamic is becoming played out and boring and I don't need characters giving a speech about how wonderful Gabi is every episode. 

[TiffanyNichelle]

4 hours ago, luna1122again said:

So Jamie is really Jamie? He got his mole lasered off at age 10?

I thought the way that was tossed out was so interesting. Who made him do that? He clearly didn't decide on his own to remove an identifying mark if it actually is him. If it's not him then it's a clever excuse for why it's not there. I went back and forth this episode but in the end, I don't think it's him. I think he was held with Jamie, whoever took Jamie knew to get that little train, and Jamie told this kid all about his life. This kid and Jamie is connected to the kids Trent's dad didn't look for because Sir brought it up again this week when I thought they would just drop it.

I think real Jamie is dead but I hope not because I think that would be too cruel to Margaret. His obsession with bringing up Gabi all the time is very weird.

4 hours ago, luna1122again said:

I don't want Sir to die. They're going to have to figure out something else to do with him than just sit in a prison cell to keep this interesting, but MPG is one of the reasons I watch the show. 

I agree. I love the creepy dynamic it inserts in the show, it spices things up for me.

I'm disappointed Christian is dead and it was done so casually off screen. Sir had nothing to do with any of that. He was surprised to hear that Christian supposedly shot someone. His partner/sister/Trent's new gf has gone rogue and Sir is finding out he has no control.

[Peanut6711]

5 hours ago, luna1122again said:

I don't want Sir to die. They're going to have to figure out something else to do with him than just sit in a prison cell to keep this interesting, but MPG is one of the reasons I watch the show. 

Same here. Sir is too much a part of the foundation of the show, and MPG does a great job with him. I'm not sure I'd be as compelled to watch without him.  I want to see him return to help solving cases.  Which on that note, did anyone else get Silence of the Lambs vibes in that scene between him and Gabbi in jail when he tries to bargain for the book?  I sensed they were paying homage to it. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Peanut6711

[Mrsmaul2021]

7 hours ago, luna1122again said:

 

I don't want Sir to die. They're going to have to figure out something else to do with him than just sit in a prison cell to keep this interesting, but MPG is one of the reasons I watch the show. 

 

3 hours ago, TiffanyNichelle said:

 

I agree. I love the creepy dynamic it inserts in the show, it spices things up for me.

 

 

1 hour ago, Peanut6711 said:

Same here. Sir is too much a part of the foundation of the show, and MPG does a great job with him. I'm not sure I'd be as compelled to watch without him.  I want to see him return to help solving cases.  Which on that note, did anyone else get Silence of the Lambs vibes in that scene between him and Gabbi in jail when he tries to bargain for the book?  I sensed they were paying homage to it. 

 

 

I agree Sir is the best part of the show. I just feel that back and forth, cat and mouse between he and Gabi is boring now. It has become repetitive and redundant. I want him fleshed out more, I wanted to see more with he and his family but limiting him to Gabi won't do his character any justice. 

 

@Peanut6711 referenced Hannibal Lecture. Yes he and Clarice had a good dynamic but so did he and Will Graham(Red Dragon)

[luna1122again]

56 minutes ago, Mrsmaul2021 said:

 

 

 

@Peanut6711 referenced Hannibal Lecture. Yes he and Clarice had a good dynamic but so did he and Will Graham(Red Dragon)

Or my personal fave Hannibal and Will...(tho I never ever want Gabi and Sir to engage in this sort of dynamic)

Edited 9 hours ago by luna1122again

[Peanut6711]

46 minutes ago, Mrsmaul2021 said:

I agree Sir is the best part of the show. I just feel that back and forth, cat and mouse between he and Gabi is boring now. It has become repetitive and redundant. I want him fleshed out more, I wanted to see more with he and his family but limiting him to Gabi won't do his character any justice. 

Yes, I wouldn't disagree he could certainly be fleshed out more.  I'd definitely like to see him interact with all the M&A team as well as get a better grip on his family.  I do think they spent a little too long on the old Gabbi and Lacey flashbacks this season. We didn't need as many as they included to get their dynamic. Would have rather had a few of him and Christian from years past.  I hope his jail stint is short-lived because while the Clarice/Hannibal exchange last night was fun, there's only so much to do with him behind bars. Since we've already had him on the run, a savvy bail release could provide much more material. 

[Rodney]

14 hours ago, possibilities said:

I somehow didn't realize until this episode that Margaret has two daughters. I only remembered the one.

She mentioned in episode three of last season that she had three children -- Taylor, Rachel, and Jamie.

I'm more leaning toward this kid being Jamie because he was willing to have his DNA tested.  At the same time . . . I don't know.  Something about this doesn't feel right.

[Mrsmaul2021]

3 hours ago, luna1122again said:

Or my personal fave Hannibal and Will...(tho I never ever want Gabi and Sir to engage in this sort of dynamic)

 

 

So they had feelings in the series? Will was the character that caught Hannibal in the Red Dragon novel/movie

[KaveDweller]

18 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

Is Christian really dead? Or did Gabi lie.

"Jamie" had Jamie's toy? Who ever kidnapped Jamie had been in the house? That's scary. I hope Margaret's wrong about that. I'd rather it be a stranger. "Jamie" hasn't talked about what happene to him? About who took him?

The general rule of TV is that with no body, the person is alive. Now here, we are told there was a body, but didn't see it. I am counting that is he's not dead. It is too weird that they kill him off offscreen, unless something happened with the actor.

The toy thing is weird. Did someone kidnap Jamie and then break into the house to get the toy because Jamie wouldn't shut up? That seems pretty risky for what seemed like a crime of opportunity. I think it is not Jamie. They had everyone suspicious to start, so I think the writers are trying to trick us. 

[luna1122again]

2 hours ago, Mrsmaul2021 said:

 

 

So they had feelings in the series? Will was the character that caught Hannibal in the Red Dragon novel/movie

Yes, the tv show became full of homoerotic subtext, which was very beguiling, but not like the book or movies, for sure

Edited 4 hours ago by luna1122again

[possibilities]

We don't know if he really had the mole removed, or if he just said that because it's a pretty easy lie to tell when you find out that people think you ought to have one. 

I think it's super weird that he doesn't want to see any of the other members of the family or talk about what happened. 

Also, his constant focus on Gabi rings all my alarm bells.

Whoever he is, the whole thing is weird.

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I am the opposite of everyone who's commented so far, in that I really don't like the creepy Sir dynamic and I feel like they need to get rid of him and focus more on the backstories of the other characters. Or, just do cases of the week. I'd be okay with the show being less creepy. I feel like Gabi continuing to go back to him is sickening. She didn't need to go to the prison to tell him about Christian or to say she's not going to be needing him any more. Just cut ties. As long as she stays enmeshed with him, she's not healing and she's feeding his pathology besides. It diminishes her that she can't solve cases without him, too. 

I also don't know if I believe what she said about Christian. Maybe it's true and maybe it isn't. But if she was just baiting him to see his reaction, that's creepy and unhealthy, also. STOP IT, GABI! 

And she doesn't need to go to jail to do penance. Just change, do better, and continue to do good in the world WITHOUT SIR.

And get therapy. Really, all of them need therapy.

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The case with the pastor talked about forgiveness and bitterness and what happens when you get stuck in your pain. Please, show, turn that insight onto the MNA crew + Trent, and stop having them going in cirlces and re-enacting their traumas on each other.

[Mrsmaul2021]

49 minutes ago, possibilities said:

 

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I am the opposite of everyone who's commented so far, in that I really don't like the creepy Sir dynamic and I feel like they need to get rid of him and focus more on the backstories of the other characters. Or, just do cases of the week. I'd be okay with the show being less creepy. I feel like Gabi continuing to go back to him is sickening. She didn't need to go to the prison to tell him about Christian or to say she's not going to be needing him any more. Just cut ties. As long as she stays enmeshed with him, she's not healing and she's feeding his pathology besides. It diminishes her that she can't solve cases without him, too. 

 

 

 

This THIS. I think Sir is the best part of the show but the Gabi dynamic is played out. It's starting to feel contrived. I never understood why she needed him to solve cases in the first place.  I keep asking fans, how can they sustain this for seasons without people becoming turned off by it. 

[Dowel Jones]

8 hours ago, luna1122again said:

Hannibal Lecture.

Definitely a pass-fail course.  😏😬