S03.E03: El Camino del Diablo

[Trini]

When Thony is tasked with cleaning cars for Ramona, she comes across a distressed woman in need of medical attention. Fiona attempts to return to the States and Nadia confronts Agent Russo for information about Arman's disappearance.

Airdate: March 19, 2024

Edited March 19 by Trini

[Brown44]

It justed dawned on me that she is a Doctor but Arman and now Romana are using her to clean bloody work instead of using her for I don't know....A DOCTOR! Aren't a bunch of the hench men get shot but can't go to the Hospital? There using her for everything but her main skill.

[Raja]

8 minutes ago, Brown44 said:

It justed dawned on me that she is a Doctor but Arman and now Romana are using her to clean bloody work instead of using her for I don't know....A DOCTOR! Aren't a bunch of the hench men get shot but can't go to the Hospital? There using her for everything but her main skill.

Well originally the Armenian mob had their own doctors on retainer and Thony showed a special skillset from the pharmaceutical and chemical knowledge gave to her in cleaning. As they got away from the title story into the immigrant story the show runner grafted on to it even those special cleaning jobs started going away.  Until the last job for Sin Cara she just did what any of their soldiers could have done.

[Brown44]

2 hours ago, Raja said:

Well originally the Armenian mob had their own doctors on retainer and Thony showed a special skillset from the pharmaceutical and chemical knowledge gave to her in cleaning. As they got away from the title story into the immigrant story the show runner grafted on to it even those special cleaning jobs started going away.  Until the last job for Sin Cara she just did what any of their soldiers could have done.

She can't write pain medication they can have the other Dr do that but they can use her to stitch up wounds and pull out bullets. She can have one of the goons do the cleaning, she can tell them which chemicals/house products to use. She can do stuff like that and can still have the show called the Cleaning Lady.

[Raja]

2 minutes ago, Brown44 said:

She can't write pain medication they can have the other Dr do that but they can use her to stitch up wounds and pull out bullets. She can have one of the goons do the cleaning, she can tell them which chemicals/house products to use. She can do stuff like that and can still have the show called the Cleaning Lady.

As it has been since the pilot episode with the Armenian mob. That part hasn't changed at all. Making Thony a doctor was to put her on somewhat equal level with Luka's medical team for the American version of the show but now that is gone.  And it seems as if Sin Cara doesn't want her to think she can keep doing the doctors without borders routine since she is their slave.

[Trini]

The show had been away for so long, I'd forgotten that most plot twists are of the 'how can this situation get worse?' variety. Well, that's on me. So of course Fiona and Chris are stranded in the desert, of course Thony jeopardizes her position with Sin Cara, of course the FBI can't help Nadia.

And again, I don't get why Ramona and Jorge don't trust Nadia - Arman's wife who also has criminal dealings, so she's savvy about certain things, more than Thony. But I guess they want (even more) drama.

On a positive note; I do like that they're getting a little deeper with Fiona and Chris.

[Raja]

7 hours ago, Trini said:

And again, I don't get why Ramona and Jorge don't trust Nadia - Arman's wife who also has criminal dealings, so she's savvy about certain things, more than Thony. But I guess they want (even more) drama.

From the outside keeping loose tabs on their nephew does Sin Cara know what we have seen as viewers of the show?

If memory serves, first their brother takes his family out of the crime world but Armando grows up to hook up with the Armenians and becomes Arman. Arman wants the bosses daughter but he is not actually Armenian  and somewhere along the line there is an arranged marriage with the Argentine Nadia to help the weapons sales there.

From there Arman has the occasional fling when Thony shows up and she looks like a real thing mistress to the marriage he doesn't want to be in. So they can help Arman with his dream and get him into Sin Cara if they find him.

[Trini]

3 hours ago, Raja said:

From the outside keeping loose tabs on their nephew does Sin Cara know what we have seen as viewers of the show?

If memory serves, first their brother takes his family out of the crime world but Armando grows up to hook up with the Armenians and becomes Arman. Arman wants the bosses daughter but he is not actually Armenian  and somewhere along the line there is an arranged marriage with the Argentine Nadia to help the weapons sales there.

From there Arman has the occasional fling when Thony shows up and she looks like a real thing mistress to the marriage he doesn't want to be in. So they can help Arman with his dream and get him into Sin Cara if they find him.

I know they had retconned a couple of things, but I don't think it's been established that Arman was in an "arranged marriage" that he didn't want to be in. And while Arman has not been great to Nadia, last season I think the show did establish that they still love each other (even while he's also kinda in love with Thony).

But my main thing is even if they don't 100% trust her, everyone's on the same side essentially, wanting to find Arman. They should be working together. And despite Nadia trying to get a deal with the FBI, I actually don't think she'd rat anyone out, because the stakes are too high.

But you know, apparently there's not enough drama and conflict.

[eel2178]

12 hours ago, Trini said:

I don't get why Ramona and Jorge don't trust Nadia - Arman's wife who also has criminal dealings, so she's savvy about certain things, more than Thony. But I guess they want (even more) drama.

My impression of it is Ramona and Jorge are in direct competition with Arman and Nadia for the same drug routes, arms deals, etc. Not only is one making a profit over the other a huge conflict in and of itself, but each side wants to believe they are the superior criminals and don't want to concede to anything that would indicate they can't continue believe they are bigger, stronger, more ruthless, have more influence, etc. over the other side.

[eel2178]

12 hours ago, Trini said:

 So of course Fiona and Chris are stranded in the desert

My utter hatred of Thorny continues. After lamenting last week "We're not safe" and "They're going to kill us all," she wants her sister in law and nephew back in the middle of that crap instead of in the Philippines where they seem to have established a pretty stable life for themselves in the mere 2 weeks they've been there.

I have to say it every week: the better situation for all of them would be for Thorny to take her son back to the Philippines where they could all live together without threats from every criminal organization in the US and Mexico as well as law enforcement. Now that the only treatment for Luca's "condition" is medication that can be obtained in the Philippines, what is Thorny's rationale for why she wants to stay in the US?

[Raja]

53 minutes ago, eel2178 said:

My utter hatred of Thorny continues. After lamenting last week "We're not safe" and "They're going to kill us all," she wants her sister in law and nephew back in the middle of that crap instead of in the Philippines where they seem to have established a pretty stable life for themselves in the mere 2 weeks they've been there.

I have to say it every week: the better situation for all of them would be for Thorny to take her son back to the Philippines where they could all live together without threats from every criminal organization in the US and Mexico as well as law enforcement. Now that the only treatment for Luca's "condition" is medication that can be obtained in the Philippines, what is Thorny's rationale for why she wants to stay in the US?

Fiona wants Chris to be an American along with Jaz. And that's the family union they are fighting for.

[paigow]

On 3/19/2024 at 11:58 PM, Brown44 said:

She can have one of the goons do the cleaning...

Unfortunately, these guys do not work for Ramona....

[eel2178]

On 3/19/2024 at 9:58 PM, Brown44 said:

She can have one of the goons do the cleaning, she can tell them which chemicals/house products to use. 

She is so selfish she would definitely be willing to bully the workers from her cleaning service who are in the country illegally into doing the actual dirty work which would set them up to be in more trouble with the law than just immigration violations. They would then be accessories to violent crimes.

She even tried to do that with the social worker in this episode. Sorry, but Thorny demanding to a bystander that she hold pressure on a bleeding wound would not have made the social worker just as guilty of practicing medicine without a license as Thorny was. Thorny still wanted to blackmail the social worker with it to get herself out of yet another situation she overstepped boundaries and thoroughly involved herself in when she was already in the midst of illegal activity.

Of course, if Thorny did use her illegal workers to clean messes for the cartels, she would find a way to rationalize that she was actually helping the workers, not sinking them deeper into trouble. She'd come up with "they desperately need to earn money" or "it's still better than where they came from."

[Rapunzel]

4 hours ago, eel2178 said:

She even tried to do that with the social worker in this episode. Sorry, but Thorny demanding to a bystander that she hold pressure on a bleeding wound would not have made the social worker just as guilty of practicing medicine without a license as Thorny was. Thorny still wanted to blackmail the social worker with it to get herself out of yet another situation she overstepped boundaries and thoroughly involved herself in when she was already in the midst of illegal activity.

In the common law of many countries, there is no general duty to come to the rescue of another. Generally, a person cannot be held liable for doing nothing while another person is in peril.

That being said, Good Samaritan laws are in place in all states to encourage people to help others in the case of emergency medical situations where trained rescue personnel have yet to arrive. Good samaritan laws protect people from civil liability for injuries when an attempt has been made to aid someone needing medical attention. So Thony telling the Social Worker she would be in deep s*** for helping Thony is just not true. 

However, depending on state laws, certain professionals, such as doctors and firefighters, may have a duty to rescue even if off duty. Thony is not recognized as a doc in the US, so technically she has no Dufy of Care either, though there are several real life incidents where a medical professional from another country feels it is their duty to help no matter what, especially given the oath they take.

Edited March 21 by Rapunzel

[paigow]

5 hours ago, Rapunzel said:

That being said, Good Samaritan laws are in place in all states to encourage people to help others in the case of emergency medical situations where trained rescue personnel have yet to arrive.

Consequences!

[rr2911]

On 3/20/2024 at 12:34 PM, eel2178 said:

My utter hatred of Thorny continues. After lamenting last week "We're not safe" and "They're going to kill us all," she wants her sister in law and nephew back in the middle of that crap instead of in the Philippines where they seem to have established a pretty stable life for themselves in the mere 2 weeks they've been there.

I have to say it every week: the better situation for all of them would be for Thorny to take her son back to the Philippines where they could all live together without threats from every criminal organization in the US and Mexico as well as law enforcement. Now that the only treatment for Luca's "condition" is medication that can be obtained in the Philippines, what is Thorny's rationale for why she wants to stay in the US?

I agree with you!  Every single person that has died on the show, Thony is responsible.  Every bad situation that people have gotten into, Thony is responsible.  The showrunners clearly think that the viewers are cheering Thony on.  I'm waiting for the episode that someone puts a bullet right between Thony's eyes! 

[cameron]

On 3/21/2024 at 10:53 PM, rr2911 said:

I agree with you!  Every single person that has died on the show, Thony is responsible.  Every bad situation that people have gotten into, Thony is responsible.  The showrunners clearly think that the viewers are cheering Thony on.  I'm waiting for the episode that someone puts a bullet right between Thony's eyes! 

I use to really like this show and couldn't wait for this season to start.  Now, I can't stand it.  Hope it gets cancelled.