Saltburn (2023)

[Dr.OO7]

9 hours ago, kiddo82 said:

Thankfully I didn't see this one with my parents but I still think about the time I saw The Shape of Water with my dad.  If I could have allowed myself to get swallowed up by my movie theater seat, I would have.

I didn't see that one. What happened there?

[kiddo82]

17 minutes ago, Dr.OO7 said:

I didn't see that one. What happened there?

Human/Fishman fornication 

[slowpoked]

I saw this one last night, and I join most of you when you say W T F of a movie. There are pleasant moments, but Emerald definitely upped the shock value with the bathtub, menstrual period and fucking the graveyard scenes. mean, I get it, Oliver is a freaking pyscho, but sometimes it went too far for me. The revelation to Felix that Oliver was a big fat liar all along was the most effective of them all re: Oliver’s insanity.

I still don’t get Oliver’s motivation and maybe that’s why it’s hard to sympathize or even understand him at the end. I get the parallels to Parasite a bit, but at least there, even with the fall of the con, you sympathize with the poor father that he will never get out of the self-imposed prison for the rest of his life. There’s no triumph in Oliver’s final dance. Or maybe that’s how it was intended.

My understanding of Elspeth’s eventual demise was that Oliver slowly poisoned her over time, so that it’s not too obvious that she died so suddenly right when he came back to her life. At least that’s how I get it when he said “I have loved taking care of you all this time…” 

That stone throw by Oliver of his dad’s death was a nice touch, I will admit. In hindsight, seeing that the stone didn’t go to the bottom of the stream and instead just went to the side, and didn’t go under water was foreboding of his dad’s non-death. The  ambivalence of whether Oliver deliberately threw that stone to the side and not in the water, because he knew he was lying about his dad’s death was good writing on the part of Emerald.

[GATenn]

On 11/30/2023 at 1:24 PM, kiddo82 said:

THANK you!  When Apple Bottom Jeans started up I was distracted thinking "Wait.  When is this supposed to take place again?  Because I feel like this song was later." 

I could be wrong, but I thought it started in fall 2006 and ended up in the summer of 2007.

The Cattons were rich, snobby, chaotic, and insular but harmless, really. They didn’t deserve their fate brought on by the arrival of Oliver. I particularly liked Elspeth, who seemed to be a filthy rich version of Edina Monsoon with great lines such as:

”I was a lesbian once, but it was too wet in the end. Men are so lovely and dry.”

And her outfits SLAYED.

I found the amount of smoking (especially indoors) revolting. Is it 1950?

I find it odd that no one figured out that Oliver was up to no good. His sudden pivot to manipulative dom should have clued someone in. One of them should have let Sir James know so he could be discreetly thrown out into the night - for instance, Felix. Once it’s discovered that someone is crazy, confronting them directly is not the best option - you don’t engage. It just sets them off, and then people start dying in mazes and bathtubs and having ventilators ripped out.

I think it was inferred that Sir James died by suicide, which can also be laid at Oliver’s feet.

 

[Ohiopirate02]

2 hours ago, GATenn said:

I find it odd that no one figured out that Oliver was up to no good. His sudden pivot to manipulative dom should have clued someone in. One of them should have let Sir James know so he could be discreetly thrown out into the night - for instance, Felix. Once it’s discovered that someone is crazy, confronting them directly is not the best option - you don’t engage. It just sets them off, and then people start dying in mazes and bathtubs and having ventilators ripped out.

Yeah, all Felix had to do was discreetly tell his father that Oliver is not who he says he is and he needs to leave.  Then Sir James instructs the staff to pack his bags without Oliver even knowing.  Or Felix could have just told Duncan, and Duncan would have handled Oliver.  Duncan has been around the Cattons long enough to know how to handle someone like Oliver.

And the party could have gone on without Oliver, and none of the guests would think anything is amiss.  The Cattons are eccentric aristocrats, they can get away with throwing a birthday party without the birthday boy being present.  Elspeth would have been disappointed for a few minutes before someone or something else appears to take her mind off of him.  

[Dr.OO7]

Another reference from this week's episode of SNL:

"I'm not afraid of anything! I watched Saltburn with my entire family! And I knew about the bathtub scene before!"

😄😄😄😄

This movie's infamy is going to last a LONG time.

[Spartan Girl]

11 hours ago, Dr.OO7 said:

Another reference from this week's episode of SNL:

"I'm not afraid of anything! I watched Saltburn with my entire family! And I knew about the bathtub scene before!"

😄😄😄😄

This movie's infamy is going to last a LONG time.

“Hump, hump, hump, licking the drain, humping the grave!”

[slowpoked]

On 1/24/2024 at 12:30 PM, Ohiopirate02 said:

Yeah, all Felix had to do was discreetly tell his father that Oliver is not who he says he is and he needs to leave.  Then Sir James instructs the staff to pack his bags without Oliver even knowing.  Or Felix could have just told Duncan, and Duncan would have handled Oliver.  Duncan has been around the Cattons long enough to know how to handle someone like Oliver.

And the party could have gone on without Oliver, and none of the guests would think anything is amiss.  The Cattons are eccentric aristocrats, they can get away with throwing a birthday party without the birthday boy being present.  Elspeth would have been disappointed for a few minutes before someone or something else appears to take her mind off of him.  

I think Felix was going to do just that - banish him off the compound the next day - but being a decent person that he is, he still wanted Oliver to have his party. Obviously, he didn't think anything nefarious would happen by letting him stay one more night.

But yes, I can see how he could have been thrown out before the party and nothing would have changed anyway. I thought the bit about how guests don't even know who they're singing happy birthday to was funny. He could be a part of their family, but he will never be one of them.

[tennisgurl]

I finally gave in to the hype and caught this one, and I can see why people are so love it/hate it. Honestly, I thought it was going to be WAY weirder than it actually was. You have endless scenes of Oliver at school, him lurking around while the Catton's lay around being the idle rich, and then out of nowhere you get the period oral, the grave humping, and of course, the naked dance of victory. It was like jump scares, the whole thing sort of felt like a weird gothic horror story but with an early 00s gloss. I am really not sure if I liked it or not, but its left me with a lot to think about, so that's certainly something.