The Haves And The Have Nots - General Discussion

[selhars]

I don't want him to add a romantic couple -- because I don't think he can do it. It'd be more laughable than the mess he's already producing.

That's all we need BAD actors, a bad script dialog -- AND the characters are supposed to be romantic couple...

"I love you..."

"no, I love YOU."

"No. I love you MORE."

 

Please, G-d nooooooooo! 

[Joimiaroxeu]

I don't want him to add a romantic couple -- because I don't think he can do it. It'd be more laughable than the mess he's already producing.

Yeah, you may be right. Especially given how almost none of the male actors on this show are able to portray a convincing romantic relationship between their character and any female character. Not sure if that's due to a problem with the writing, their acting abilities, or both. There might be some hope looming with Candace and Oscar but it's probably going to be a very slow burn as he has to try to get past her tough girl defenses. (And assuming he's not playing her.)

Edited July 8, 2015 by Joimiaroxeu

[bichonblitz]

I love me some Kathryn. Whacking Candy in the back of the head with that bottle made me squee with joy!

Also liked Landon telling Jeffrey to forget it already with Wyatt and the reason's why. It ain't never gonna happen. 

David is hopeless. So sad to see what TP did to this character. I'm getting the feeling Maggie is saving those photo's to blackmail Veronica in some way, that is if Veronica doesn't beat Maggies ass to a pulp first. 

Celine and her son. Don't care. Needless filler. 

Next week looks good!

[Syndicate]

The more people who tell Jeffrey that he'll never have Wyatt, the more I'm convinced that he will have him in some way, shape, or form. Tyler Perry is keeping the Jeffrey/Wyatt dynamic going for some reason. The "is Wyatt gay or not" angle seems to be an ongoing storyline on its own.

[chakajo]

I love Katheryn. Candace deserves that and someone should give it to Veronica. Candace's  playhouse is going to come down. David is such a wuss, your wife tried to kill you and thinks nothing of it. Don't know what the hell Celine's problem is. I wonder what is the "deal" she said that many times. I think Amanda and Wyatt are probably Jim's and Celine's and she agreed to let him and Katheryn raise them. Any thoughts??

[Bill C.]

Having finally watched this week's episode, I can't help thinking the show should have spelled out exactly what Katheryn and Jim had apparently agreed upon, even if retroactively, before she decided to TERMINATE ALL SUCKERS with that bottle.  As much as I adored that moment--and Candace had it coming for ages--it still needed that extra bit of justification to work properly.  A second line about how she manipulated Amanda would have been just ducky.

 

(And the fact that we never got to see Amanda's funeral...yeah, that just figured.)

 

I also have to applaud the show's borderline Terminator-ish consistency: Candace and Veronica have committed multiple crimes between them, or facilitated others.  Let alone Quincy.  And Jim's still the one who's "the devil."

 

OTOH, Melissa coming clean about why she was under Veronica's thumb to Jeffery and Candace (and as bitchy as she was here, she was a horrible if probably default Greek chorus--game recognizes game, after all) went about as well as could be expected.  And Jeffery being just a little Wyatt-ish in this episode was probably also expected, in its way, even with Landon as his Greek chorus.

 

Celine's chat with Carlos was good, if a little offbeat.  It at least finally confirmed that she's indeed still hung up on Jim to the point of staying as his maid just to be around him, which kind of confirms that she's insane.  Beautiful, but insane.

 

And then there's Maggie.  Maggie, Maggie, Maggie...oh, girl, you are officially a Passions character now.  You have evidence that would blow up your would-be boo's marriage, you've got him alone where you can drop the bomb...and you decide not to because he "loves his wife" and you, what, care about him so much you don't want to hurt him even though his wife tried to kill him?!  This is/was some straight-up Theresa Lopez-Fitzgerald shit, even if it was in the name of David trying to stick by his increasingly crazy-ass spouse.  (Flip side, depending on how you interpret the preview for next week's episode: if Veronica's fling with Benny is about to come out anyway, and it's about even odds, does this make Maggie more "clean" and easier for David to possibly split and beeline for her door?)

Edited July 9, 2015 by Bill C.

[bichonblitz]

I love Katheryn. Candace deserves that and someone should give it to Veronica. Candace's  playhouse is going to come down. David is such a wuss, your wife tried to kill you and thinks nothing of it. Don't know what the hell Celine's problem is. I wonder what is the "deal" she said that many times. I think Amanda and Wyatt are probably Jim's and Celine's and she agreed to let him and Katheryn raise them. Any thoughts??

I thought of that, too. Though, if Wyatt was Celine's son, she would be much nicer to him. Like from the time he was born. There is no closeness between them at all.

[selhars]

1) DO we know yet: IS Celine INDEED staying on as the Cryer maid. Or she just said she WANTS to. 'Cause if she IS staying on....can someone please explain how that is when Kathryn told her clear and strong to "get the eff out, I don't care WHAT kind of deal you HAD -- get the eff out, your fired." 

 

Unless we SEE a reason for her to still be the maid -- she OUGHT to be out. Her entire plot line is rediculous. I agree with others and have always said...she's needless filler. But for SOME unknown reason...TP said last year we'd be seeing more of her and her life. UGH. NO!

 

2) I think the character of Wyatt's girlfriend would have been nice to have on the show -- she and Wyatt could be the young love couple...Like Tara and Phil (All My Children)....Luke and Laura (General Hospital). 

Edited July 10, 2015 by selhars

[Bill C.]

Which actually brings up an interesting point, selhars: out of the entire young-adult crowd, Wyatt's the only one we never see interacting with anybody of the opposite sex.  We don't even hear about him doing it offscreen.  While my automatic instinct is to just lump it under "this show has no budget/script for that and Tyler Perry doesn't give a damn" (which covers a lot), it's still an odd thing to leave unaddressed.  And with Wyatt in asshole mode, somebody needs to drag him back to sanity before this probably can be addressed...

[bichonblitz]

1) DO we know yet: IS Celine INDEED staying on as the Cryer maid. Or she just said she WANTS to. 'Cause if she IS staying on....can someone please explain how that is when Kathryn told her clear and strong to "get the eff out, I don't care WHAT kind of deal you HAD -- get the eff out, your fired." 

 

Unless we SEE a reason for her to still be the maid -- she OUGHT to be out. Her entire plot line is rediculous. I agree with others and have always said...she's needless filler. But for SOME unknown reason...TP said last year we'd be seeing more of her and her life. UGH. NO!

 

 

Always made me wonder what kind of woman would settle for being a maid when she could be blackmailing the hell out of Jimbo or at least have told him so many years ago: Hey, lover, I'm having your kid, you can either pay me off big time to keep my mouth shut or I will make you and your family's life miserable for eternity... But, no, she would rather clean up day after day after her rich, cheating boyfriend's family instead. Stupid, stupid, Celine. 

[Scootman]

Yea!! Prof. Rapey is finally going to get dealt with. I was afraid they forgot about him.

 

The Oscar Candace scene was good, as was Candi/Katherine/Jim. The double sex scene was a bit odd because it featured a brother and sister, and Veronica kept her underwear on during sex, which also looked funny.  

 

 It seems like the storylines are moving a bit.

[GrtGzu]

All I know is I KNEW Celine must've had another YOUNGER kid - I still remember the 10k JIm forked over to her when she kept hounding him about the stupid check....

 

Candy might have sicked Jim and Kat on the per-fesser, but they still don't know that she was trying to get Amanda to sign over her trust fund to her - wonder when THAT will come out? Also the fact that she brainwashed Amanda into thinking her parents weren't worth the shit she took an hour ago...Why hasn't Jim had some PI's following her around anyway? I swear the concept of "security/surveillance" surely isn't his strong point, and Kat shoulda been thinking about doing it LONG ago...

 

Bennie was stupid for  - oh nevermind.......David shoulda been the one who caught them, not Hannah....

[Syndicate]

Hannah caught Benny and Veronica, but I wish It were David who caught them. Was Wyatt raped? I remember it being implied in the first season. Things are playing out so strangely with Wyatt though. What Jim does with Wyatt next week, and the implications seem clear. Consider me officially suspicious of Oscar.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Syndicate

[bichonblitz]

Hannah caught Benny and Veronica, but I wish It were David who caught them. Was Wyatt raped? I remember it being implied in the first season. Things are playing out so strangely with Wyatt though. What Jim does with Wyatt next week, and the implications seem clear. Consider me officially suspicious of Oscar.

David is right there in Hannah's house when she opened Benny's bedroom door. Oh, the suspense. Maybe now David will come to his senses. Looking forward to next ep. 

 

Candy might have sicked Jim and Kat on the per-fesser, but they still don't know that she was trying to get Amanda to sign over her trust fund to her - wonder when THAT will come out? Also the fact that she brainwashed Amanda into thinking her parents weren't worth the shit she took an hour ago...Why hasn't Jim had some PI's following her around anyway? I swear the concept of "security/surveillance" surely isn't his strong point, and Kat shoulda been thinking about doing it LONG ago...

 

 

Wonder if Jim is going to try to get the 7 mil Candy blackmailed him out of. Can't believe he and Kath are going to let that go.....

[Joimiaroxeu]

First of all what was the significance of crosscutting the scenes of Benny and Candace both having sex? Ew.

 

Second, why was Oscar trying to act like he was surprised to learn that Candace was an escort? Didn't we see him in the first half of the season try to hand her a bag of cash (in a public place, no less) so he could get a "date" with her? I believe the rate she quoted was $25K per hour and he tried to pay for four hours. Are we supposed to forget that happened? Whatever, when it comes to her skeevy ex Quincy, Candace probably should not be taking advice from Oscar. He may be rich with a private jet and all but he seems kinda naive to me--at least about the world Candace comes from. Still hoping he's not running a game on her.

 

Not sure I understand what Veronica was trying to prove by seducing Benny in Hanna's house. I get the part where she wanted to humiliate David but why drag Benny and Hanna into her mess? I'm glad Maggie's about to change the dynamics of that situation. In fact, I'm wondering why she hasn't had all of them followed all along since her career depends on them not screwing everything up with their personal scandals.

 

I'm glad too that they revisited Amanda and the professor. Wonder if they'll exhume the body and then we'll find out she really was pregnant.

 

All I know is I KNEW Celine must've had another YOUNGER kid

Yeah, it was revealed in the first half of this season that she had two kids with Jim. TP brought on the adult one first and then it didn't make sense that Jim would be paying child support for a grown kid. So later it was revealed that there's also a young one. I guess at some point Jim got so desperate that he took another trip back to Celine's crazypants well. He largely has himself to blame for her inability to let go if he's made two kids with her while living his public life as being married to Katheryn.

 

[bichonblitz]

Still don't trust the Oscar/Candy relationship. Don't let your guard down, Candy!

 

Also, when did Jim become Kathryn's lap dog?. It's so funny, he seems so defeated. 

Edited July 15, 2015 by bichonblitz

[Bill C.]

Well, if I had had any doubt about the show trying to save Candace before last night's episode...yeah, it's gone now.  My one wish, however, is that the show genuinely swerves away from the most likely scenario--that Oscar is a plant, presumably of Jim's (or possibly of David's), in order to get close to her for whatever reason and she goes all superbitch-redux once it comes out--and just has Oscar be a decent guy that Candace gets close to and then loses either through some fault of her own or, more likely, the fallout from the whole thing with Quincy the Terminator.  But, being this show...

 

Professor Rapist coming back to haunt Jim and Katheryn via proxy was at least a pleasant surprise.  And if the show's indeed going to dot that particular I, I'm actually looking forward to it.  Somebody needs to use their powers for good on this fakakta show besides Maggie (her getting David to Hanna's house doesn't mitigate her status as a nouveau Passions character, but I'm still thinking they're trying to keep her hands a little clean in not full-on outing Veronica's now-it's-a-fling with Benny).

 

The weirdly crosscut scenes of Candace and Benny getting their freaks on...yeah, no.  This show really shouldn't try to be "daring" with its cinematography.

 

And the thing with Carlos wanting to publicly out Jim as his dad in the face of Celine's ongoing obsession with him was just odd in that typically HAHN out of the blue way.  But it continues the ongoing in-show thread that Jim is the evilest evil who ever eviled, and Eva Tamargo was rocking that jacket and tight everything, so it gets a pass this week.

[chakajo]

I just love how katherine keeps jim in check

[Scootman]

I think Jim will get his mojo back when he beats on Prof. Rapey. Or does he get the Malones to handle it? I think Rapey's justifiable fate would be to be locked in a room with Katherine and her bottle.

[sugarbaker design]

One of the good things about watching a show where the acting is uniformly awful is when a particular actor, in this case Renae Lawless, hits it out of the park, she really shines!  I've been loving her this season.

 

I forgot about Professor Rapey!  Last time I saw him he was running around Savannah with a knife in his back.

Edited July 16, 2015 by sugarbaker design

[bichonblitz]

Disliked everything about this ep. 

 

So Candace can just pick up the phone and demand that David make it happen in an instant with her fake job and fake office and he jumps through hoops? I thought she was actually supposed to GET the job. 

 

Benny and Ronnie. Make that go away, TP. I did like the confrontation outside Hanna's house. Those two old ladies got in some good zingers with each other.

 

Are you kidding me with the entire scene with Wyatt in jail? Judge Jim can just plop people in prison for crimes they didn't commit and then remove them from said prison anytime he pleases. Yep, just walk out the door for dinner with him in Wyatt's clothes. Oh yea, I'm sure that just killed Wyatt.  I was waiting for someone to bend Wyatt over and really show pretty boy what prison time would be like.   

[chakajo]

that might be coming in next week's episode.I was waiting for Hannah to slap veronica in the face.

[Joimiaroxeu]

I really don't understand why Veronica wants to get Benny and Hanna caught up in her ish with David. What did Benny ever do to her--besides screw her? Benny's got stones though lying right to David's face while Ronnie was hiding in his bedroom. And ew, I hope Benny had the truck detailed before he returned it, otherwise David probably sat on some of Benny's um, DNA.

And speaking of DNA , so what if Melissa's pregnant? It might not be Jeffrey's kid. Jeffrey had better call Maury before he simply takes her word for it.

LOL at Jim having Wyatt get "scared straight". Wyatt should consider having Jim and those prison guys charged with kidnapping and assault, assuming he ever gets out of there.

Maggie needs to stop being coy and show David the surveillance photos of Veronica. He'll never figure it out on his own and he'll never believe it without solid proof. Heck, knowing him he won't believe it until he sees them actually in the act.

One of the good things about watching a show where the acting is uniformly awful is when a particular actor, in this case Renae Lawless, hits it out of the park, she really shines! I've been loving her this season.

Yes, she's been great. I think her dialogue must be written by someone other than whoever's writing everyone else's. It's miles above the show's usual trite and soapy stuff.

[Bill C.]

My longstanding Passions analogy continues to be confirmed: Hanna catches Benny and Veronica in the act, with David in the next room, and none of them blab it to him--thus bringing the count of people who know and won't tell up to four.  Not even Hanna going full Florida Evans on Veronica and Benny didn't mitigate that.

 

Melissa confirming she's pregnant and then flipping out on Jeffery and Candace was satisfying, in an odd way--even if it ran face-first into Candace's eternal wall of smug.  OTOH, I think I was kind of hoping for a Good Guy Jeffery moment before I realized he was out of them.

 

Candace intimidating David into somehow arranging for "her office" to be ready for a visit...that drags Maggie along with it, which potentially widens the anti-Candace pool that much more, and for that I'm actually grateful.  Beyond that, I don't give a damn.

 

And as for Jim and Wyatt's trip to Marshland Penitentiary (and, as someone on Twitter pointed out, its oddly cute Pottery Barn interiors): that's definitely a case for So Damn Ignorant.

[Bill C.]

In last night's episode Jim dragged Wyatt off to the local penitentiary to give him a taste of prison life in order to scare him straight, or rather silent--he apparently got booked and stuck in a holding room.  Okay, fine.  There's even a cavity search offscreen...okaaaaay, fine.  But then Jim brings in the guy he got to take the fall for Wyatt in the hit-and-run, Norman Hewens, and after making them swap clothes he leaves Wyatt there while taking Norman out for "a nice dinner and a good night's sleep in a hotel room."  And the guards don't bat an eye at any of this.  I guess it's a Veronica-level "How the fuck does a civilian have this kind of power?" moment, but still...

[bichonblitz]

I forgot about Professor Rapey!  Last time I saw him he was running around Savannah with a knife in his back.

So the Cryers horrifyingly find out that their lovely (although crazy), troubled, dead daughter was raped by this animal and then NOTHING this episode about it. I thought Jim stormed out the door ready to kill the Professor and then here we are this week with zilch!! It's as if Candace was never knocked out with a bottle to her head and never divulged this ugly secret.  Instead, Jim and Kathryn are more concerned about teaching Wyatt a lesson about prison time and what it's like to have your shirt and leather jacket taken away from you. And Candace could care less that she was beaten over the head, she's too busy throwing bundles of money at people.  Candy better get herself a financial advisor before she blows all her money and winds up back in the hood with her mama and Benny. 

Edited July 22, 2015 by bichonblitz

[Joimiaroxeu]

"How the fuck does a civilian have this kind of power?"

Jim's not an ordinarily civilian, plus he's probably greased quite a few palms. And if he gets elected governor, he'd be in an even better position to help them all out financially and career-wise so it's to their (dirty) advantage to be on Jim's team as it were.

[Bill C.]

Amanda's been a tertiary plot point since before she blew her brains out.  Why would this fakakta show stop thinking that now?

[Bill C.]

Fair point(s), Joimiaroxeu.  It just really didn't sit well with me, though it does make sense in-show; everything up to that point was fine, but that just drove it over the top and into the ravine.  And it wasn't even funny ha-ha, like with the gift tax mess.

[selhars]

Haven't sen the show in 2 weeks, can someone fill me in?

 

-- Remind me...is there any PROOF the prof raped Amanda. I remember that Candace had (blackmail) pics of the prof, because he was a client (and she used them to pass her test) -- but I don't recall any PROOF that would have of the Amanda rape. Couldn't the prof play dumb -- like "I don't know what the hell you're talking about?"

 

-- Candace was hit over the head, by whom, when?

 

Someone mentioned Jim running for governor....uh, please don't tell me that's still on. All this is going on: Veronica's craziness, her nonsense with Benny, the fire at the Harrington house, Amanda dead, David getting a job for Candace, Jim taking Wyatt to jail, switching inmates.....and Jim and David are STILL going to run for governor. Also what the time line on all this shit....has a day passed, a week? Some plot lines don't seem to be moving pace with others. I know this is not the show for realism, but damn.

 

I know a lot of shit goes on in politicians lives that happen on the QT, but this is ridiculous. WHERE ARE THE MEDIA IN THIS TOWN. NO REPORTERS are tailing ANY of these people? NO reporter has gotten a tip about ANY of these powerful, political, rich people..AND possible GUBERNATORIAL candidates -- and their shenanigans . (Because David and Jim's announcement technically never happened. So as of now they're NOT official candidates. If nothing else, THAT would get reporters curious.)

 

And as was said also, WHY have Kathryn and Jim, or David put a PI on ANY of their nemeses, or kids, or whoever? None of these powerful people know what any of the other players are REALLY up to? Pathetic. The Harringtons and Cryers are pathetic Victor Newman, Palmer Courtland and Asa Buchanon would eat their lunch...not to mention J.R. Ewing of "Dallas" fame. (For those too young to know those last four are powerful day or prime time soap opera tycoons)

Edited July 23, 2015 by selhars

[Bill C.]

The schlock brought you back, selhars?  :)  It'll do that.  In order:

 

1. TBH, I'm still fuzzy on how Candace even knew about Amanda being raped in the first place (did Amanda tell her?), let alone her whole mess with Professor Rapist.  If she actually had/has evidence of the deed, though (beyond that supposedly borked pregnancy test), this show's definitely never even implied it...and her chance to use it if it did exist, even if only in the name of making Candace look good/better, has probably passed.

 

2. Katheryn knocked Candace the hell out with a bottle of wine three episodes back now (including this week's).  That was partly in retaliation for her screwing with Amanda; she and Jim blamed her for Amanda's downward spiral and suicide, and the confrontation in the episode after this was where Candace revealed to them that Amanda had been raped.

 

3 and 4: the past few episodes, if my sense of time is correct, have all taken place over a period of two days.  Since this also includes Amanda's never-seen funeral and the fire at Casa Harrington, they've got a little wiggle room WRT David and Jim getting back to their political campaign...as insane as it is.

 

5: Maggie actually has a PI tailing Veronica, which is how she found out about her and Benny. This, while by default being the single smartest action by any character in the history of this show (or possibly tied with Jim's coverup of the hit-and-run), is also frustrating because it's given Maggie information she could and has at least tried to use to indirectly torpedo David's marriage...and it doesn't happen.  Then again, since David is this close to being the Ethan Winthrop of this show, we probably shouldn't be surprised by that.

 

5b. The lack of media attention is obviously due to budget, but that does make it that much more messed up in-show.  If for nothing else than the fire--not even a peep on somebody's TV in the background about a fire at a political candidate's home?  Really?  (And as for the other aspect, let's not kid ourselves--if anybody in this show other than Jim would have had people tailing other people, it'd absolutely be Queen Candace.  And I'm not sure even I could handle that.)

Edited July 24, 2015 by Bill C.

[selhars]

Which actually brings up an interesting point, selhars: out of the entire young-adult crowd, Wyatt's the only one we never see interacting with anybody of the opposite sex.

 

1) Wyatt did have a girlfriend. And they did kiss. She came to the hospital and we saw her at the house. They never got to make out because TP wrote her out, after the Jeff interference.

 

2) Uh so we haven't seen Jim/Kat actually confront the prof....because with no proof why does't he just say "I don't know WHAT you're talking about? Who told you what? You're crazy? These are serious UNFOUNDED allegations you're throwing around. And defamatory."

 

But this IS TP we're talking about so I guess we'll see what happens. 

 

Because If all this is happening with in days, TECHNICALLY aren't we just still just weeks after the rape?

Some episodes it seems like days should have passed with in the same episode, then it's all really one or two days, or same day. Was Amanda's decline over just one week...because remember how "fast" candace passed the bar?

 

These folks sure get around town, from the Harrington house, to Jim's House, to the university, to the hospital, to political events in the blink of an eye. Hell...how long was Benny in the hospital? I know the man had a speedy recovery, but damn he was in a COMA for at least a week's time, no? Then he's up an out of bed with NO "apparent" residual healing or recuperation needed. He's back at work towing cars...

And the candace kidnapping of Jim was all just one night...

 

I just can't get the time line on some of this stuff

 

The schlock brought you back, selhars?  :)  

 

3) No. OR maybe "yes and no" :):) I'm just back from vacation. And thought I'd check in here to get my updates. As I've said I have no intention of EVER watching any more episodes from credits to credits. This crapola is up against Real Housewives of NY, and I much prefer that, So I'll tune to this TP mess on the commercials of the other show. And sometimes I tune in, see crap, and go BACK TO the COMMERCIALS and just wait for RHW to come back from break...that's how little time I've been giving this show when it's on. That's how disgusted I am with it.

 

This thread is enough "fix" for me. Thanks to good people like you:):)!

Edited July 23, 2015 by selhars

[chakajo]

suppose professor rapey actually killed Amanda. if you look at the scene where Hannah found amanda, there was a lot of blood on the rug and on the mantelpiece Hannah stepped in it. if Amanda did kill herself, that is a lot of blood splatter way across the room.

[Syndicate]

Veronica and Hanna were a treat.  There was such an irony for me in their scenes together.  Up until this episode, I always saw Veronica as this bad bitch who was the one chewing up and spitting out everyone she came in contact with (remember how she beat the shit out of Maggie)?  But this episode almost put Veronica on the receiving end of being a victim of being chewed out.  Hanna really ripped into her.

 

I don't know what Jim is doing with Wyatt, but I think Wyatt is going to be raped in prison.  I can't fathom what's going to transpire as a result of it, given this is Tyler Perry.

[bichonblitz]

-- Remind me...is there any PROOF the prof raped Amanda. I remember that Candace had (blackmail) pics of the prof, because he was a client (and she used them to pass her test) -- but I don't recall any PROOF that would have of the Amanda rape. Couldn't the prof play dumb -- like "I don't know what the hell you're talking about?"

 

There was a scene where Prof Rapey was in Amanda's apartment, cornered her and raped her. Afterwards, she was devastated, crying and shaking and he was a total asshole telling her to keep her mouth shut. Afterwards (days, weeks or who knows how long in TP land) Candace kept asking her why she was acting so weird and Amanda told her. There was never, ever any discussion between Candace and Amanda about Amanda being pregnant. How do I know all of this? Because I have watched every single episode of this drudge. And then I come her to complain about it.  

[Joimiaroxeu]

here was never, ever any discussion between Candace and Amanda about Amanda being pregnant.

No, I think there was but it was rather quick and vague. In reference to the pregnancy test, Candace said something to her like, "You can't tell that fast." Amanda was too whacked out to have much a real conversation about it and Candace realized it and let the discussion drop. Candace just wanted to know why Amanda would take a pregnancy test.

 

ETA: Went back and checked the episode when this happened. It was the 13th episode of the first season. Amanda was in the hospital and had confided in Candace that the professor had raped her. She was sure she was pregnant (she said she could feel "it" growing inside her) and Candace told Amanda, "You can't get pregnant that fast."  I remember there being some discussion (over on TWOP) whether Tika misspoke the line or whether TP (who presumably wrote the dialogue) has a poor understanding of how human biology works. It only takes one time to get pregnant but it takes more than a couple of days for the pregnancy to register on a pregnancy test.

Edited July 24, 2015 by Joimiaroxeu

[Bill C.]

suppose professor rapey actually killed Amanda. if you look at the scene where Hannah found amanda, there was a lot of blood on the rug and on the mantelpiece Hannah stepped in it. if Amanda did kill herself, that is a lot of blood splatter way across the room.

 

I still stand by my previous comment that if this were a better show I would have expected them to actually--or rather seriously--delve into that whole aspect of Amanda's death, because that was an unusually bloody way for her to check herself out.  But by the same token, since there are only two characters who would have had any reason to kill her, unless they're about to throw a monster swerve at us, the opportunity to revisit that has definitely passed.  And, worse, Amanda's still such a tertiary plot point now that I don't think TP would waste the time to go there.

[selhars]

1) Uh, Amanda and Candace definitely DID talk about possible pregnancy...that was a big topic of discussion after the preg test was found, because Candace knew the test wasn't hers but told Jim it was (in a quickie off the cuff blackmail attempt that went nowhere) ...and then later asked Amanda about it.

 

2 I know Amanda was raped. My question was whether there’s any PROOF of it – photos, rape kit tests, the prof’s -- uh DNA, etc. (and even his DNA wouldn’t prove it was rape, just that they had sex, and not even that just that HE – uh got off)

 

This is key for me because if Jim just shows up making allegations WEEKS later, that’s all they are allegations...ESPECIALLY with the alleged victim DEAD.

So unless there’s diary where Amanda wrote about it or some contemporaneous corroboration (which still likely wouldn’t lead to charges or a conviction)....they really need to just drop the whole thing.

 

She's dead, that entire storyline has been dead this long (no pun intended) why bring it up now......what’s the point of backtracking?

Edited July 24, 2015 by selhars

[bichonblitz]

1) Uh, Amanda and Candace definitely DID talk about possible pregnancy...that was a big topic of discussion after the preg test was found, because Candace knew the test wasn't hers but told Jim it was (in a quickie off the cuff blackmail attempt that went nowhere) ...and then later asked Amanda about it.

 

 

 

Then what did Amanda say when Candace asked her about it? I don't remember her confirming that she was pregnant.

[Joimiaroxeu]

Then what did Amanda say when Candace asked her about it? I don't remember her confirming that she was pregnant.

Candace didn't ask Amanda if she was pregnant, Amanda asserted it on her own. Candace then responded to the weird things Amanda was saying, like how she could feel "it" inside her.

[One Tough Cookie]

Candace, girl, I say this with love: with all your millions PLEASE gt yourself to a competent dermatologist.  Your skin is a mess and it is too distracting.  Hi Def I not your friend.

[Joimiaroxeu]

Benny's never seen Maggie before? Whatever, Candace sure went to 11 with Maggie during the little office visit and that'll likely come back around on her at some point. Plus, Benny's going to hate it when he finds out how his sister made such a huge fool of him.

Did Jim really put Wyatt in prison to get raped? That's extra disgusting given how Wyatt was molested by priests as a child. I still don't understand why Jim and Kate didn't abscond him out of the country from the get-go.

I really don't understand what Benny's plan was with Quincy. Scare him to death and get himself killed in the process? Sorry, Hanna, but your baby boy is not hooked up right.

That was a nicely-written moment between Jim and David. Every once in a while it seems to me like someone who actually knows how to create compelling dialogue is involved with this show but clearly they're involved not enough.

This appears to have been another episode where TP didn't have enough script to fill the 42 minutes. Yet again there were way too many repetitive, circular, and overly drawn out conversations. Sigh.

[bichonblitz]

I really don't understand what Benny's plan was with Quincy. Scare him to death and get himself killed in the process? Sorry, Hanna, but your baby boy is not hooked up right.

That was a nicely-written moment between Jim and David. Every once in a while it seems to me like someone who actually knows how to create compelling dialogue is involved with this show but clearly they're involved not enough.

 

ITA about the scene with Jim and David. Well done. 

I don't get the whole Benny thing, either. Why did he make that phone call to get Meth? Is he supposed to be a drug addict all of a sudden or is there some other reason that clearly went over my head? 

And please don't tell me Benny is going to wind up in the hospital again on life support, I won't be able to handle Hannah's crying and prayin' one more time...  

Edited July 29, 2015 by bichonblitz

[chakajo]

I think benny is not healed from being in the hospital. If you remember from either the first or second season when Hannah brought Benny home from the hospital there was one scene where he had almost like a brain freeze so maybe this is the reason he's acting the way that he's acting. any thoughts.

[selhars]

^^ Yes. some of us have said before that he might have brain damage which altered his emotional controls. After he came home there were some slight hints at this:

-- he'd laugh in a childish way

-- ask Hannah a question almost like a child

-- he'd get angry at her, even have an out burst or two (I mean yelling like crazy)

(none of which -- OF COURSE -- did Hannah notice))

 

So we don't know if it's a plot thing or just bad writing or acting.

But at the time, a couple of us definitely wondered "what's wrong with Benny."

[selhars]

I'll just wait for others to comment, since I really dont' know what to say.....about this week's episode, other than "alack and alas, I continue to be utterly exasperated." :)

[bichonblitz]

Good conversation between David and Jeffrey. For once, Jeffrey was the sensible one. Telling his Dad to ditch his crazy mom and go for Maggie! Too bad David is still a delusional idiot where Veronica is concerned.

 

Benny the saviour! Curious to see where that whole thing goes since Quincy is still alive. Those investigators are top knotch, huh? Didn't bother to look around for the body which was just a few yards away. 

 

I'm with Candace on the Oscar situation. She doesn't trust him and neither do I. That carriage ride around the park was interesting. When he told her he would love her to death, that look on her face was priceless, like she couldn't get away from him fast enough. I'm sure TP will throw some nonsense twist to the relationship that won't make any sense. Oh, and Candy should wear red lipstick more often. She looked gorgeous. 

 

Jim is ready for business as usual. Looks like they're going to go after the nutty professor. Poor Kathryn, I love her. John Schneider looks older, haggard and thin.

 

What's Veronica up to? Still looking for the car, I guess. 

[GrtGzu]

How was Quincy able to move his body to a different location after getting his ass kicked into next week though? That's the thing that bothered me....

 

And I wonder if Jim has anything to do with Candy's new BF? I don't trust the guy and think somehow he's gonna take her money and possibly kill her...

 

Wanted to see more reunion time with baby Q and Hannah...and were ALL THOSE KIDS Q's sister's? She leaves them ALONE to go out? And why were they all in one room? What stopped her from hitting Benny over the head with that frying pan? She certainly had the opportunity and didn't know him from Adam....

[bichonblitz]

Wanted to see more reunion time with baby Q and Hannah...and were ALL THOSE KIDS Q's sister's? She leaves them ALONE to go out? And why were they all in one room? What stopped her from hitting Benny over the head with that frying pan? She certainly had the opportunity and didn't know him from Adam....

That was so funny! Running around waving that frying pan and not doing a thing with it, and Benny having his back to her the whole time not the least bit concerned if she was gonna use it. She was probably glad to get rid of one kid. 

[chakajo]

I believe that Oscar is a plant by Jim. He kept saying I am all over Candace. I believe that Jim is using Oscar to get some of the money back or have him take it all and leave her with nothing.