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Second, when Qyburn asked for the dwarf's head, I wondered if he's going to use it on the Mountain.
Yup. right where I went too.
This might even be a book detail that I missed. I don't remember Qyburn ever asking for a dwarf's head in the book but it makes too much sense. It doesn't make any sense for Robert Strong/FrankenGregor to be a good fighter if he has no head, but a dwarf's head is an good as any other.
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Sansa would have never been in that kind of danger if Geoffry hadn't been murdered and Littlefinger admits culpability in that (thought I don't recall his involvement in the books). She watches him murder the fool she had previously saved and then he killed her aunt and she lied to protect him. She is backing an evil man - not someone she should trust. Sansa would have been wise to talk Brie by herself for at least a few minutes and then tell her to leave. If they had done that, they could have told me later than Sansa told Brie to follow but not too closely or something like that. But what I see is Sansa playing the fool and continuing to trust people she shouldn't while spurning the good characters of the story. I do not like her character and I doubt I ever will. I would love for the show to prove me wrong.
If Littlefinger hadn't engineered Joffrey's murder Sansa would've been in even worse danger where the most powerful man in the realm is a sadist who delights in torturing her and repeatadly threatened to rape her.
So now Littlefinger is also the man who killed the monster from her nightmare.
In regards to Ser Dontos, yes she saved him, but he was really only helping her because Littlefinger was paying him. It's easy to see how Dontos would turn to the Lannisters and sell her twice once the money ran out.
In regards to Lysa, she was trying to kill Sansa, and Littlefinger saved her once again.
You're speaking from the point of view of a person who has read/watched everything and knows the people. You need to think of the situation from the point of view of a scared girl just learning to not be scared. Someone who has seen their father murdered, been kept hostage against her will for months, tortured during that time, forced to marry, and had every confidence except for the one with Littlefinger betrayed. She finally gets out of that situation, an escape that is engineered entirely by Littlefinger, and you want her to trust the first person who wanders along with a Lannister blade at their side?
How would your scenario go down if Brienne really was an agent for the Lannisters?
Brienne: Lady Sansa, may I have a moment
Sansa: Of course. Excuse us Lord Baelish.
*Outside*
Sansa: So what did you want to talk abou--
<Brienne shoves her sword right through Sansa>
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But she doesn't ask any valid questions either - she just follows Littlefinger's lead. I wanted Brie to cut off his head so bad in that scene.
Arya typically has good instincts - she tends to know when she should distrust someone. I don't think she distrusted Brie so much as she saw a chance to go her own way and choose it. Arya knew get to Jon or get out of Westerious were her best choices and she knew she could do that as well on her own as to go with someone else who might have their own agenda.
Sansa on the other hand could have used a sworn sword who had no other mission but to protect her life. But Sansa has repeatedly trusted the wrong people and shown herself to be even more of a fool than her own mother. Ned wanted to get his daughters out of King's Landing when he sensed things were going wrong, but Sansa stamped her foot because she wanted to marry Geoffry because she loved him and he'd make a good king, blah blah blah. Then she finally gets paired with Tyrion who shows her more respect and care than any other man they could have married her to, but she puts her faith in other people. And who does she elect to trust? Littlefinger - the man who set everything in motion and got her father killed. I realize she doesn't know that, but he oozes slim as far as I'm concerned.
Then Brie shows up and Sansa doesn't even want to have a private conversation with her? I mean even if she turns her away - I can't believe she didn't want to ask her questions about her mother. Sansa remains an idiot as far as I'm concerned.
I don't think you're giving Sansa nearly enough credit.
Littlefinger saved her life and spirited her from the capital, without him she ends up at best in chains and at worst without a head. Also, she doesn't trust him implicitly; she trusts him to do what she thinks he will because she is pretty sure she knows what he wants. At the very least she can trust that Littlefinger doesn't want her dead or back at the capital. If he did he could've killed her long ago or sent her back to Cersei in chains and he hasn't.
Brienne on the other hand is someone she doesn't know at all. Sansa saw her kneel before the King, and she carries a sword with a lion headed pommel. It's probably a smart move to avoid trusting someone who proudly flaunts allegiance with your greatest enemies. It's an even smarter move to not let yourself be alone with someone who could be an agent of your enemies. Brienne could have easily been sent to kill Sansa or return her to the capital, which is the outcome Sansa is most trying to avoid.
This is a simple case of "better the devil you know then the one you don't." It's the same reason she saved Littlefinger last season instead of trusting the Vale lords.
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Daughters come before brothers though GRRM said something to the effect that uncles can challenge that. At least strong ones.
I don't think in those cases they would actually take the lordship. It's more that they just exert their influence and use the rightful Lady as a puppet.
An uncle could even try and force his neice to marry his son, or even himself to gain even more power over the Lady and ensure that his progeny would rightfully inherit after the Lady dies.
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I'll have to check the transcript, but I'm pretty sure their last words were actually, "Yeaaahrrrrrgghhhh!!!!!" and "Aaaagggggghhhh!!!". Or maybe I'm getting them reversed.
Techically not words. I mean they are not scrabble legal anyway.
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Dragon's haven't been around in hundreds of years, no one is going to remember how to fight them. From the people we've been introduced to, the list of people who may be able to figure it out are Jamie, Jon, Stannis, and Tyrion. Not that other's aren't smart enough, they just wouldn't think that way (Varys comes to mind). Tyrion will most likely be aligned with Dany, so he wouldn't do it, Jon might also be with her - or see the dragons as a way of defeating the walkers. Jamie and Stannis would have the most motivation to figure out how to take out a dragon.
Well as mentioned before Dorne resisted the conqueror and his dragons. So if they didn't know how to kill them, they atleast knew how to survive and resist them without being totally annihilated. It's most likely a very storied part of their history, and likely they could do it again, perhaps even better.
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Why else would he buy a dragon? either to use it himself, or to sell it to someone else who would use it. On whom would he use it? Most likely Danaerys, since he's comfortable in the power structure he lives with.
Protection?
Prestige?
There are alot of reasons to own a dragon. It doesn't have to be to kill the person who sold it to you. By that logic everyone who buys unsullied wants to turn them against Astapor. Or everyone who buys a gun in this world wants to use it to kill the person who sold them the gun.
Dany also gave no indiction that she was threatening to his world order until she burned him alive. Up until that point she was a person who wanted to buy some unsullied, sail them over to Westeros and conquer that land. Why should he care about what she does in Westeros?
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Ok cool - I had forgotten that line entirely, probably because the actor playing Jon is no boy.
Can you imagine if the show goes so far as to get Sam and Gilly to Danny this season to tell her about the threat of Whitewalkers? I would love to see Aemon meet Danny, but I doubt they would change it that much.
I hope they don't change it.
Aemon's story is one of commitment and tragedy. Him learning of Daenerys is the last test of his vows, and it's tragic and heartbreaking the way he rails against the gods for testing him again when he is at his oldest and feeblest.
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But Varys doesn't know all these details does he? The spies he uses are little children, right? Like that kid who brought the message for Jorah? What do you think he feels about the woman who came in and made sure he and his family/friends are not treated like chattel. Of course he's going to report on how kind she is to the underdog. If Varys only heard about the crucified masters and the stuff in Astapor and Yunkai, it's all a very daring tale of justice vs oppression. Also, I think he's doing a sales pitch for Tyrion. Dany is simply the best option for him because he needs someone to mould into the ruler he wants. Stannis and the rest are already set in their ways.
Fair enough I suppose. Varys could be giving Tyrion the sell job.
I'm positive he probably knows most or all of the details though. Varys doesn't exclusively use small children as his spies, remember Jorah and Roz have worked for him in the past. Varys is a very capable person who I'm sure had more than one set of eyes on the Dragon Queen, especially since she's his chosen rular. And Dany has not exactly been discreet about her "justice." I'm sure he knows in great detail about the atrocities she's committed.
And I mean atrocities, it's not cool to visit terrible inhumane fates on people, even bad people.
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Ok I've read the books and I'm not sure what Kill the Boy refers to - I have one idea, but it doesn't gel with the books since they only recently mentioned the boy I'm thinking of and as far as I know - they are dropping the plot about the other boy I can think of and I can't recall an attempt on Tommen's life. Someone help even in spoiler tags? :)
It's a line Aemon says.
First he tells it to Aegon V
"'Kill the boy within you' I told him the day I took ship for the Wall 'It takes a man to rule. An Aegon not an Egg. Kill the boy and let the man be born"
He then tells it to Jon as his final words to him when they decide it's best for his safety if he leave Castle Black so Stannis and Mel can't get their hands on his King's Blood.
"You are half the age that Egg was, and your own burden is a crueler one, I fear. You will have little joy of your command, but I think you have the strength in you to do the things that must be done. Kill the boy, Jon Snow. Winter is almost upon us. Kill the boy and let the man be born."
This may be the episode Jon sends Sam, Gilly and Aegon to Oldtown. Assuming they keep that storyline.
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Oh, please. I nearly laughed out loud at that one -- she's at least ten years older than the victim. So then I knew it would be a setup with her as bait.
Something else that didn't add up for me: the bartender saying the man the victim was with was "hot." Then we see him, and I'm like, WHAT? On what planet?
Different squids for different kids, but I didn't find him the least attractive, and that was before we knew for sure that he was a monster.
LOL! True she was Dawson casting herself pretty hard.
But the fact remains. Maybe she thinks the Ogre is a monster because she can see herself as one of his victims.
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Mileage will vary, but I think they could have sold Fairchild's death, initially, in a different manner. Lee reacted like the killer was exceptionally vile for killing a woman, as did another cop (I believe it may have been Jim). That's what I didn't like about it. The fact that the Ogre turned out to be someone who also kills people trying to investigate him doesn't make up for how it was initially sold, since at least then the trope was in play.
As you said YMMV, but to me Lee seemed like she was projecting. She draws a lot of similarities to herself from the victim. Same age, same neighborhood "we could've been friends" etc.
"This person is a monster because he killed someone just like me. He could've killed me if I had been at that bar."
Also you neglect to point out the fact that the cops do know that the victim was missing for near a month before she was found murdered. Someone who abducts and tortures their vic for a month (regardless of the vic's gender) can definitely be sold as a monster IMO.
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So is that idea that Sam will manipulate the Night's Watch into electing Jon as Lord Commander so Sam can be sure that the next LC won't send Gilly away?
In the book, I thought Sam did it just because he thought Janos Slynt would suck as LC.
I think it's partially that, and the other part is Sam knew Slynt hated Jon and his companions, and Slynt already tried to kill Jon twice (first by trying to get him convicted of oathbreaking and then again by sending him to treat with Mance) so if he was LC in truth he'd probably keep trying to kill Jon. Actually as LC he could probably just pronounce him and oathbreaker and have his head.
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He seemed smart in the first season, manipulating Renly.
Since then it's been a steady decline into "lol he's gay! He likes dick!! And he's so PRETTY and wants to do girly things, lol!!!"
Yeah, but that's just as easily explained as someone else (*cough* Olenna *cough* Margaery *cough*) just telling him to convince Renly that he'd make a good king.
And then his charm just takes over.
Not that I'm cool with the marginalization of gay characters. And to that end Renly was actually depicted as pretty capable IMO. But Loras might actually just be a pretty dumbass dancing on his aunt and sister's strings.
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I get what you mean, but I have a feeling any queen on this show would say that, in part because they probably think viewers wouldn't remember unless they kept telling us...
Oh I wasn't really getting at anything I was just trying to be funny by paraphrasing Tywin.
Yeah I know the show needs to beat us over the head with the fact that it's a woman in power, because they can't seem to get their heads around that subject either and for some reason must think we're all that small minded.
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Except Loras isn't always a moron. He's just a moron when the writers find it convenient for him to be a moron.
Perhaps it's meant to be some kind of he's awkward around women who aren't his sister BS because, you know, gay, so he can't be expected to hold a minimally intelligent conversation with a woman.
Isn't he though?
Even in the books Loras isn't depicted as very smart. He's seen as gallant, and charming but never actually smart. He might be a moron.
When in the show is he shown as smart? And how many of those times can be explained by him just following along with Olenna/Margaery's plan?
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Varys saying that made little sense to me because why would Tryion care if Dany was gentle? I think they just had him say that because her story this week was trying to be gentle (not wanting to resurrect the fighting pits, chaining her dragons).
I thought I'd hate Dany in Meereen but it's been passable enough - seeing her struggle with moral dilemmas and seeing confirmation that leading is not the same as saying, "I am a queen" 500 times has been interesting. I just wish they'd cast someone better for Daario. He's not even good enough to be wallpaper.
Any woman who must say "I am the queen" is no true queen.
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Dany is as brutal with her adversaries as Stannis is, but I think her empathy for the "smallfolk" does set her apart. I highly doubt Stannis would've locked up his greatest source of power simply because one kid was charred to death. I think her overall disposition isn't a bad one for ruling Westeros - genuine concern for the masses, but brutality for her opposition - but she needs to get a whole lot smarter if she's ever going to sit on the iron throne. She's way too reactionary at this stage and she needs to see the broader implications of her decisions. Varys and Tyrion could be helpful in this regard if she's willing to listen to them.
Brutality for your opposition is not a good practice. It breeds contempt and treason. That's not to say you should be weak, but you should also be forgiving and merciful to those who ask for forgiveness and mercy.
Robert consolidated power so quickly in Westeros because he was willing to forgive, true he practically wiped out the Targaryen line, but he did nothing to the other factions that opposed him. The Tyrells and Dornish came through the war practically unscathed, and thus peace was established quickly, because none of the major families of Westeros had too much reason to hate Robert (especially since the Dornish hate was deflected towards the Lannisters.)
Dany is facing uprisings in Meereen because she butchered the masters mercilessly. Hopefully she learns from this misstep. A strong ruler will make their subjects kneel, but a wise one will also help them back up and not continue to beat them when they are on their knees.
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Why is everyone assuming we've seen the last of Mance? Granted my memory of books 4 and 5 is hazy, but I'm pretty sure book readers were lead to believe he was burned at the stake as well. A lot of confusing baby switching and death fake outs happened at the wall so I hope the show manages to clean that mess up a bit.
I thought the episode did fine all in all in setting up events to come. Excited the show is back!
Well it might be because
Ciarin Hinds has told us that he's done on the show in an post-mortem with EW: http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/12/game-thrones-mance-rayder-dead
Now he does allow for the possibility that Mance might be alive, but he also says that it likely will not involve him if Mance is indeed alive.
But who knows? It could be a fakeout
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Question: Is Varys insane? In what world is Dany gentler than Stannis?
So far she is equally as brutal. She's burned people alive and crucified them, she never asked for repentance or offered mercy. She merely killed them, and without even a second thought. And it's not like she has a gentle hand at diplomacy either, as seen tonight and many times before. "They can live in my new world or die in their old one." Yeah that's the very picture of a gentle monarch, eh spider?
She's more beloved by the smallfolk, by with I mean the slaves she freed. But I don't think that would be the case in Westeros, especially if she brings her army of freed men over to take the Westerosi's land and resources. Her approval rating will tank if she seeks to settle that many new people in lands belonging to others.
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What is the consensus on who the Valonqar is? I know Cersei thinks it's Tyrion, but I always thought it was Jaime. I have thought this for so long I'll be shocked if this doesn't happen on the show.
Jaime is probably the consensus. And I would not be surprised if it was him.
Some people back the idea of Tommen. Either with him having a fake death (thus confirming his "gold shroud") or he'll somehow metaphorically strangle her. Or it'll be undead wight Tommen.
I don't put too much stock in undead Tommen though, for it to be Tommen (IMO) I think Myrcella will need to be crowned in Dorne before Tommen actually dies, and Tommen will be the last to die, with Myrcella going before him.
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I plan to join you on this re-read once I get my books tomorrow. My old paperback AGoT lost like 75 pages so I ordered the big hardcovers of books 1-4 to match my hardcover ADwD. I swear if the cover for TWoW doesn't match the rest of them...
LOL, yeah that's why I'm getting all the paperbacks only for now.
I assume when ADOS comes out (if it ever does) they'll do a nice definitive boxset style release.
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I think I'm a bad guy. I was super pumped to see the Flayed Man over Winterfell. It gave me actual glee. I can't wait to see actual Winterfell just infested with Boltons.
Holy crap. Am I bad guy?
Anyway that was fun, really looks like they killed Mance off for real, unless Tormund or another wildling volunteered to take his place, but I don't see that as terribly likely. It really seemed like Mance. Which is a shame, but if there's no fake Arya, which seems like it may be the case, there's no Mance in Winterfell storyline either.
Also looks like Margaery is not the innocent victim she appears to be in the books, clearly she's got some manner of scheme going. Also a shame IMO, I found it much more entertaining when Cersei's crazy conspiracy theories were completely unfounded, and she brought about all her own misfortune cause she's just a crazy loon. it's so much less fun when Marge is actually plotting against her.
Ugh, not that I mind seeing a post-coital Emilia Clarke, but I really hope we don't have to suffer through a lot of Dany & Daario this season. I might just barf. Nice that they've kept Dany as her "my way or the highway" no compromises self though. Kinda looking forward to when Hizdahr is challenged to bring about 90 days of peace. I wonder if Dany will panic more about marrying him in the show.
A little disappointed we didn't get to see everyone though. It wold've been nice to see a little Arya, Theon, or Ramsay. Oh well perhaps next week.
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I've read the books, but I've retained almost nothing from them, LOL. Did Mance die in the books? I've read that TV GOT is going to do their own thing for the remainder of the series, so I'm not sure if they are veering off here or what?
In the books Rattleshirt is killed in Mance's place, as Melisandre uses a glamour to make Mance look like Rattleshirt and Rattleshirt look like Mance. Then Jon sends Mance (who looks like Rattleshirt) to Winterfell to rescue "Arya"
Later Ramsay sends a letter (the Pink Letter) to Jon Snow and says he killed Mance's spearwives and made Mance a cloak from their skins, but he says he has Mance (presumably alive, because a dead man would not need a cloak) in a cage for all the world to see.
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I'm inclined to agree here.
It really didn't make any sense for so many people to abandon Ser Alliser for Jon, in the books it did because Sam played two factions against each other because they were splitting the vote and Janos Slynt was going to win simply by virtue of not being Denys Mallister or Cotter Pyke. A fourth candidate needed to be introduced to give everyone an option that was not Mallister or Pyke, and it worked.
The way they did it in the show just made Sam seem like a great orator, and he frankly is not. He's not a bad stand up comic, but his speech wouldn't have convinced me to not vote for Mallister or Thorne.
Also they could've dragged out the Jon Stark dilemma for a while. I thought that was atleast worthy of a cliffhanger. Could've had people excited for a whole week over the prospect of Jon Stark, Lord of Winterfell.