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This might be way out there, but could The Valonqar be the Stark younger brother, Bran? It would be poetic justice! Right?
I think at this point when we're including younger brothers from unrelated families we're getting away from the realm of likelihood.
I mean if it's Bran why not Rickon, or Benjen, or Loras Tyrell, or Trystane Martell or Aegon Targaryen, or Dickon Tarly?
I think a prophecy needs to be specific enough to be reasonably predicted. For this to be reasonable Cersei needs to have a strong connection to the valonqar.
IMO the only reasonable choices are Jaime, Tyrion and Tommen. Possibly Stannis, he is her brother-in-law, and younger than Robert.
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Aha! I thought it was just me :) I feel horribly conflicted - but he does have a fantastic voice. Stupid sexy Roose!
Feels like he's wearing nothing at all... Nothing At All... NOTHING AT ALL... But the flayed skins of his enemies.
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If Sansa saw Brienne and Podrick approaching, I don't think she would assume they were there to help her. I think she'd hide. Despite them not appearing threatening, both B and P were last associated with Jaime and Tyrion (if Sansa remembers them from King's Landing).
In fact, are Brienne and Pod in a bit of danger? (taking that question to the spec thread).
Also Brienne is carrying Oathkeeper, and I don't think she's replaced that gaudy Lion headed handle. In a world where everyone is paying attention to sigils, it's not the smartest move for her.
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I think I'm a bad guy.
I'm gonna go with House Bolton.
Added bonus: I'm less likely to get flayed this way, even if I die, those foolish good guys will give me a clean painless death.
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Text of the new audition tape from WIC comments:
It's also pointed out in the commens that the woman ("your father" not "our father") sounds like Arianne, who's with Obara watching Nymeria and Tyene train. Or it could be Ellaria ("Prince Doran" not "my father") with a personality swap (pro- instead of anti-war).
I'm not too fond of the Jaime change if it's true. If one-handed Jaime becomes enough of a badass to be the regular who fights Obara (and he's got to survive that encounter), it'll mean the loss of his hand was just a temporary setback and he's back to being the fighter he was before his karmic retribution for crippling a child for life made him start using his brain instead of his sword. I hope the fight turns out to be Obara vs. Bronn if he accompanies Jaime; Bronn annoys me and I'd be thrilled if Obara killed him in a departure from the books but unlike Jaime he's a good fighter right now and it would make more sense for him to fight Obara.
I think it just says "Woman off Camera" cause a woman is helping with the audition, it doesn't mean that Obara is speaking to a woman in the scene. For instance in one of the Trystane audition tapes there's a man reading lines that are clearly Myrcella's lines.
The point being it could easily be a man speaking to Obara there as well, Darkstar maybe?
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Not to mention Blackwater had a lot going on besides the battle itself, and multiple viewpoints (Stannis, Davos, Sansa, Cersei, Joff, Tyrion, the Hound etc.)
I'm wondering what they will do for The Watchers on the Wall. There can obviously be a heartbreaking scene where Jon finds/runs to a dying Ygritte ("You know nothing Jon Snow.") but other than that can a lot happen other than just fighting? Also there doesn't seem to be as many different main characters, I guess Jon Snow, Ygritte, Sam, Mance and the Lord of Bones? Is that enough? I guess we'll see. I'm not including Stannis and Co. in this list because it seems like he'll be playing the savior role like Tywin and Loras did in Blackwater, we'll only see him at the end of it all in order to keep the suspense up.
I'm hoping they bend the rules a bit on the "one locale rule" and we get a little Bran interlude. It'd be nice to catch up with Bran since we haven't seen him since episode 5.
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I always thought Myrcella was going to be the younger, more beautiful woman to give Cersei her comeuppance. Was I the only one?
No I don't think you were the only one.
I think popular opinion has it being Dany, but there are a lot of theories for Myrcella, Margaery and Sansa as well. All are either technically or have the potential to be Queens. Personally I'm hoping it's Sansa, that would be delicious for Cersei's "little dove" to be the one.
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Ellaria: You're going to fight THAT?!
Oberyn: I'm going to kill that.
Ellaria: He's the biggest man I've ever seen.
Oberyn: Size does not matter when you are flat on your back.
Tyrion: Thank the gods.
Ellaria: Don't leave me alone in this world.
Oberyn: Never.
*Sound of breaking hearts*
The Mountain: Elia Martell! I killed her children. Then I raped her. Then I smashed her head. IN LIKE THIS!
*Sound of breaking skull*
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IIRC, in the books, Tyrion was pissed and hurt but he didn't kill Shae until she called him her Giant of Lannister like she did at the trial.
However, she didn't do that in the show so it'll be interesting to see what they use to make Tyrion snap.
She said he made her call him "My Lion" in the show.
It's a pretty easy swap. But it might not make too much sense because he didn't seem as upset by it in the show as he was in the books.
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That leaves us 1 minute for any other quick scene they might want to do (no dialog, just images of characters), like Ellaria traveling with Oberyn's bones, Arya on a boat that is passing under the Braavos statue, Stannis looking out the top of the Wall, etc. Take a couple of minutes out the KL or Wall scenes and you can show Bran heading into the cave or just him meeting Coldhands (who is a very creepy figure that would lend Bran's future storyline a lot of suspense: where is he going? what does Coldhands want with him? etc)
I'm almost positive Coldhands will not be showing up in the show. If he was gonna show up, he would've already. Bran also seems to know where he's going through a combination of his own greendreams and Jojen's, he doesn't really need another guide.
Also they've already cast a Three-Eyed Raven/Brynden Rivers/Bloodraven (Struan Rodger.) They wouldn't have cast someone they weren't intending to use this season. So it looks certain Bran will meet the Three-Eyed Raven in either episode 9 or episode 10. Do you think we'll have time for a Coldhands introduction too? I doubt it.
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In regards to the ending the season with Stoneheart. It seems pretty likely...
Lena Headey has been posting cryptic spoilers on her instagram account.
Two months ago she posted a pic of her adorably gouging out Pedro Pascal's eyes: http://instagram.com/p/mVN1fdvAzU#
Last month she posted this: http://instagram.com/p/nEeNM0PA3L/#
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I'm really curious about these Bolton traditions. Roose obviously knows about Ramsey's tactics and it doesn't seem to phase him. Makes me wonder if Roose's father was also a sadist psychopath.
Well Ramsey did say that his father taught him to throw things at people's heads AND they do have a flayed man as a sigil so I guess that answers my question.
Not to mention, in season 2 Roose suggests to Robb that they flay their enemies to get information.
Roose: The officers may be useful, they may be privy to Tywin Lannister's plans... In my family we say a naked man has few secrets, a flayed man none.
Robb: My father outlawed flaying in the North.
Roose: We're not in the North.
I don't think Roose has any issues with Ramsay's tactics, he just wishes he was smarter about it.
Flaying enemy commanders to gain enemy plans: Good!
Flaying the only son and heir of a noble house: Bad.
Roose disapproved of flaying Theon, who probably was very valuable as a hostage, but in the end it paid off, so who is he to argue with results?
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For me, yes to both. The odds of Oberyn defeating the Mountain were astronomically slim to none. No one defeats the ruthless Mountain and we unspoiled generally understood that. I might be alone, but, yes, I would have preferred a straight-forward defeat after a valiant effort by the heroic figure that made the touching speech and incredible pledge to Tyrion in the dungeon.
I appreciate bookwalkers using spoilers but I do have to say that it seems from a small sampling here and among real life friends that bookwalkers accept this outcome more readily than the unspoiled. (I realize that many unspoiled and unsullied are fine with the way it played out.) It appears from reading between bookwalker lines that there might be differences in the physicality of the Book Mountain and the attitude and personality of Book Oberyn that make it much easier to embrace the scene as portrayed by the show.
Or it could be the fact that it just happened to the unspoiled, but to us bookwalkers Oberyn died 14 years ago.
We've had a bit more time to cope.
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Do all of you think that Oberyn's lapse of judgement in the fight was consistent with his character?
I think it was.
This fight was never about winning, it was partly about justice (and by that I mean justice for Elia not Tyrion) and mostly about revenge. He didn't want to just beat the Mountain he wanted to beat him, make him confess his crime, and make him suffer. And if he could get the Mountain to sell out Lord Tywin, well that would just be gravy.
He didn't just want the death, he wanted it all, which is very consistent with Oberyn's character. He doesn't compromise, he takes what he wants.
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No, because that evil look she exchanged with Littlefinger implies that she's apparently plotting with Littlefinger to kill Robin. Or at least that's what it looked like to me. But I guess we won't know for sure until the end of the season.
Whoa. You jumped there quick.
I don't think there's any reason to believe that yet. Maybe they are plotting to use the boy to gain power. Littlefinger did talk about supporting Robin over the Lannisters, that implies that he means to see Robin on the Iron Throne.
Remember that there's no Harry the Heir yet in the show. Littlefinger has no reason to kill Robin... yet. This was the Moral Event Horizon I was talking about though. If Sansa helps or even allows Littlefinger to kill Robin she will probably be irredeemably evil
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I know that and that makes their actions ignoble.
Doesn't that make them like the majority of the cast?
The good characters in this series are few and far between, and usually their goodness is what ends up killing them.
The rest are characters that run the gamut, and are supposed to question your notions of "good" and "evil"
Is it wrong for the wildlings to kill innocents? Of course, but what if killing those innocents gives an entire society a better chance at survival? Is it wrong to kill tens or hundreds to give 100,000+ a chance at survival?
Is it wrong for Sansa to lie for Littlefinger? Of course, but what if the lie she told saves her and all the truth would do is get justice for the woman who tried to murder her? Is justice for Lysa more important than saving herself and the man who has protected her so far?
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So...has Sansa officially gone to the dark side?
It definitely makes her character more interesting. After everything she's gone through, I guess it's understandable: she thinks her whole family is dead and has figured that if she wants to save herself she needs to start playing the game of thrones. But I feel like she's always kind of had this in her. Let's not forget how she blamed Lady's death on Arya and Ned -- not to mention how she lied about Mycah attacking Joffrey when she knew that wasn't what happened. Or how she blabbed to Cersei about Ned's plan to take them away from King's Landing. Granted, those actions were more about selfish, willful stupidity than outright evil. And God knows she probably beat herself up about it afterwards. Still...
Because she changed her clothes and lied once to save her own skin?
I don't think she's even remotely evil yet, but she is dipping her toe into the grey.
I do see a Moral Event Horizon coming for Sansa though. At some point (probably next season) she'll have the opportunity to make a choice that either firmly places her in the evil camp, or starts her on a redemption path.
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I'm not much of a fan of Dany in either show or book, but I did like the directing choice during the dismissal scene of having Dany be so cold and not make eye contact. The lack of any emotion would be more devastating to Jorah than anger or grief from Dany. How can he argue with a block of ice?
She is the queen and he is nothing, not worthy of her attention. Begone, Ser Beetle.
Watching it for the second time I enjoyed it as well, but for a different reason.
It shows a massive amount of emotion on Dany's part, even though none of it is visible to Jorah. Sort of a "I can't look at him, if I look at him I'll want to forgive him, and I can't" motivation on Dany's part. So she detaches herself from the situation as much as she can.
Even in the final moments when she tells him to get out, her eyes are unfocused and dazed, as if she can't imagine what she's done.
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That scene was my favorite part of the episode. It made both of the Lannister boys feel very real.
Btw, what did Jaime say when he was rushing out of Tyrion's cell?
"Good luck today"
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Best. Death. Ever.
I don't know if it makes me a bad person, but I just delighted in that. It was so horribly awesome. I was hoping for a faithful reconstruction of the book, but I was still completely surprised. The teeth flying out of Oberyn's mouth and the Mountain literally crushing his head? I never expected the show to go so far. Bravo Show. Bravo... alright I might be a bad person.
Sansa's changes were also pretty shocking. I actually enjoyed that change, which is a rarity for me. I don't enjoy a lot of the changes D&D make. But it makes her storyline a lot more interesting now that she's taking charge a lot more, as opposed to the books where she's taking forever to get where she's going, and I say that as someone who really enjoys Sansa's chapters. I do hope they keep in the "Harry the Heir" storyline. I always thought Sansa was heading for a moral quandry in the books with that story and I hope she still needs to do that in the show.
I have to give the show kudos, tonight was the first time I was actually surprised watching. Part of me seriously thought they might be letting Oberyn live and Sansa's confession was a complete blind side hit. It's nice to know we bookwalkers still have some shocks coming, even before we get to TWOW storylines.
Ramsay Snow, or Bolton rather, was as disturbing as he is fun once again. I just love the portrayal by Iwan Rheon, it really seems like he's having so much fun being so very very evil. It's just ridiculously spot on.
The rest of the episode was kind of meh. I was really hoping for more gravity in Jorah's dismissal. They (IMO) really ruined it by having Dany discover it and banish him in the same episode. It really highlighted her struggle in the books when she found out about his betrayal and then sent him on a near impossible mission to prove his worth and was hoping he might die during it so she wouldn't have to exile him. In comparison this really fizzled, and I even got the "I have loved you" line I was so hoping for. Oh well.
Wildlings, whatever I guess, I get that they're trying to remind us what's going to happen next episode, so a huge battle doesn't come out of nowhere. But I'm kinda struggling to care about the faceless whores in Mole Town, I barely care about Gilly and little Sam.
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As we get closer to show time, I'm finding I'm getting more excited about Jorah's exile.
I'm really hoping they keep in the "Daenerys, I have loved you." line. I'm looking forward to everyone's heart breaking (including me, seriously, if they do it right it could be more gut wrenching then Oberyn's death.)
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I wish the White Walkers were actually the good guys.
Granted. The Walkers know that the poor pink southron people cannot hope to survive the coming 1000 year winter and they must act. It is their moral obligation to save them. And if they can improve upon their broken back-stabbing society why should they not do that too?
The walkers and wights swarm over the wall in numbers too great to handle. As the Night's Watch is slaughtered, and subsequently resurrected, young Jon Snow realizes that life as a wight is pretty frickin' sweet. He is no longer bothered by the cold, his stomach has been left in the snow behind him, so he will never be hungry again and he has stopped aging entirely. Sure he looks a little gross as a corpse, but so does everyone else! And beauty is all subjective anyway. Jon Snow is given command of his own wight army and the legions march South. As they march the snow falls softly.
The Starks are reunited, as everyone had always wished. Wolf-headed Robb absentmindly strokes behind the ears of a Robb-headed Grey-Wind, corpse Sansa is delighted to finally be reunited with Lady, and Arya stabs at everything with warm blood with an ice-cold Needle. Bran smiles coldly from his perch upon an armless Hodor, as he watches Nymeria, Summer and Shaggydog fight over Hodor's arm bones. Rickon, still young enough to be "turned" stands behind his beloved siblings with ice white skin and eyes like blue stars, blissfully holding the hands of a Headless Ned and Throat-slit Cat.
As the walkers and wights march on King's Landing as the pure white snow falls, the people tremble to behold their new overlords, but soon they will learn the bliss that comes with undeath. The walkers rule fairly and justly. There is no need for an economy as everything is free and nobody needs anything, there is no need for politics as power wielded by the walkers is absolute, and they all share the same mind on everything, there is no more killing, as the dead rise as soon as they are struck down. It is a paradise, and the continent finally has peace. Soon the walkers shall begin constructing their ice ships to bring their paradise to the continent of Essos.
I wish Varys wasn't a eunuch.
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It's funny that after everything that happened, they still think there will be a happy ending to anything on this show. Haven't they learned anything?
The show itself tried to warn them.
Oh well, war will make them old as it did us... for they are the knights of summer, and winter is coming.
I don't think it's so much the happy ending as that they feel like it wouldn't make sense story wise to introduce Oberyn without having him do anything. They don't know that he's more of a Dornish Ned Stark. Someone who's death moves other players forward.
I think a lot of people are also tying Tyrion's death too closely with Oberyn's. "Oberyn can't die cause that means Tyrion would be executed, and they'd never kill Tyrion."
No one is entertaining the possibility that Tyrion could have another narrow escape. It's a testament to how well the show has played Tyrion's desperation.
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Not sure if poison is officially allowed. Let's assume it's not (or he simply doesn't want to use it blatantly because it diminishes the glory you can get from a victory): If he does poison the tip of a blade or dagger, how could anyone really know? It's probably better to use a not-so-deadly one, because it surely would look suspicious if the Mountain were to fall over dead from a little scratch. So you use something that slows him down a little, just enough to give you the advantage. At least that's what I would do in his stead.
Do we think he's worried about glory?
As far as we've been led to believe this is a revenge killing. I don't think Oberyn is worried about glory, or honour, or Tyrion and his innocence. He wants to kill the Mountain cause the Mountain killed and raped his sister. Personally speaking if someone did that to my sister, I'd probably want them to suffer as much as possible as well.
A slow death from a million cuts would be much more satisfying for revenge than a painless one by a quick acting poison, or a stab to the brain or heart. That's mercy, not revenge.
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Game Of Thrones In The Media
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Pedro Pascal describes Oberyn's funeral: http://video.vanityfair.com/watch/pedro-pascal-imagines-oberyn-martell-s-spoiler-alert?playlist_id=538c6a5869702d197c4e0000
Bonfire + Dia De Los Muertos + Tex Mex Buffet + DJ Sunspear + Lannister Death + Elephant Pallbearers in costume + Orgy = Best. Funeral. Ever.