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Haha! Sadly, I agree w/you. She probably would, which might make for a more interesting story. Kim has shown she has no boundaries so I wouldn't be shocked if she slept w/Cameron simply b/c he started spewing some Drew memories! She will go to any low it seems. As far as Liz fighting for Franco is concerned - I have not seen today's scenes yet (and I am biased b/c I like both Franco and the Friz relationship), but I am happy she's fighting for him. I don't see that as a bad thing. She married the man. I should hope she would fight for him in this situation. I mean . . . . someone has to. What has been done to him is criminal, and Kim is completely disregarding him to live out her fantasies. Franco's body has been overtaken and is being used against his will. It's simply not right. I'm not saying Liz has to fight forever, but I want to see her try her best to get back HER relationship and the man who loved her.

Hmmmm . . . I read that interview, and I didn't read it as him saying he's bored w/Franco. It's just become routine for him. This is an opportunity for him to do something new and interesting. I can understand that. I kind of feel many of the actors probably feel the same way. I remember Tyler Christopher really enjoying his "evil" stint. For me, that was the most interesting Nikolas had been in ages, but I digress. Regardless of what Roger wants, I'm not sure how interesting his Drew can be at this point. This story moved really fast. This Drew is not conflicted in any way, shape, or form. He has no interest in Franco's life. He doesn't want to stay in PC. Kim and Drew have already declared their love, so what could possibly be their obstacle? Liz? I guess Liz could try to commit Franco and have the procedure done, but then what?! Frim is not a "root for" pairing, IMO. I will admit that I am biased. I love Franco and Friz. I see chemistry btw Franco and Kim, but the story moved too fast for me. I don't want to see them together. Kim is a horrible person and an even worse friend. Franco's body is being used against his will, and that's troubling to me. Honestly, if some major time had passed, like 6 months or so, and effort was made to return Franco's memories but failed, I'd probably be fine w/Frim but that's not what has happened. It's all happened w/in the span of a couple of weeks. For me, there is no "Drew" or Frim story at this point. Friz is still the "root for" pairing, and I want to see them overcome what's happened to him. They can keep Friz together and still have Franco interacting w/other characters, etc. If Kim is pregnant, that's enough angst for Friz. Heck, Franco gets his memories back. He and Liz sleep together, and boom . . . both women are pregnant at the same time. That, to me, would be more interesting than playing out this Drew stuff any longer. It was good, but the writers ruined the story AFAIC.

I don't see Franco and Drew as being in similar positions. The difference btw them is Drew was a complete blank slate when he was Jake Doe. I completely understand why he chose to go w/Hayden. He was lied to and manipulated into thinking she was his wife and that they had a life together. He loved Elizabeth, but once his identity was "revealed," he tried to make it work w/his "wife." That was the right and honorable thing to do. Franco, on the other hand, is not a blank slate. He has all of Drew's memories, so it is much harder to just walk away from them simply b/c his face has changed. If you just imagine waking up in a different body but w/your same mind . . . . I think many ppl would see that they wouldn't just immediately believe what they're being told or accept that they were another person. If you remembered your family, friends, etc., you'd want to reach out to them . . . I think. It's a strange situation.

Yes, Franco can believe he's Drew all he wants, but he's not Drew and he never will be. Kim shouldn't have fed into his delusions. She should have continued to call him Franco, and she definitely shouldn't have slept with him as "Drew." Franco never should have been released from the hospital. He should have been placed in the psych ward. As his wife, Liz has the authority and power to authorize the procedure be done on him. At that point, "Drew" should have had no say in what happened to Franco's body. Franco never intended to remain Drew. He would have wanted to return to himself. If the procedure failed, then I think Franco probably should have been released. He's not a danger to himself or anyone else, and it would be unfair, IMO, to keep him locked up because an unlawful experiment was done on him, and it was successful. At this point, I fully support Liz committing him. He's ruining Franco's life, and that's not right.

Exactly! Franco, IMO, is not to blame for anything. AFAIC, Franco is not even present at the moment. He is not controlling his own body, which is why what Kim is doing to him is awful. She's indulging his delusions and taking advantage of him. It's disgusting. I thought it was bad enough when she almost raped Drew, but this ........ even more disgusting because she KNOWS Franco wouldn't want to have sex with her. I don't blame Dranco either because he walked away from her. She's the one who called him back. Kim is disgusting. The speed with which this story is moving also has me wondering if Franco is going to get his memories back soon. I really think he must because AFAIC, all the beats in this story have played out. What other story is there to tell? Maybe it's just me, but this story has moved very quickly.

Exactly! I loved Billy Miller. I loved his time as Jason, and I loved his time as Drew. I wish he were still on the show. That said, he never showed us the "real" Drew b/c he was never the real Drew. He never got Drew's memories. We have no idea if the "real" Drew wouldn't grab and kiss a woman he likes. Well, actually we do know b/c that's what the writers wrote "real" Drew as doing. The real Drew is assertive and knows what he wants. The real Drew is blunt. The real Drew is selfish just like most people at times. I think some don't care for RoHo's version b/c it's so wildly different from BM's, but to me, that's a good thing. This is a different story, not the same story they already told. I hate that Kim slept w/Dranco, and I hate that Friz has imploded but I'm not angry w/Dranco or RoHo's take on the character. All of that has been interesting - at least for me - to watch.

I agree. We don't really know who the "real" Drew Cain was. I don't find RoHo's version of "Drew" to be bad just b/c it's different from BM's. At the end of the day, BM was never really "Drew." He was always "Jason" w/a new identity. I'm glad Roger is doing something different. I know many don't like his Drew, but as a Drew fan, I'm fine w/it. I don't necessarily see his Drew as a jerk. He just has no connection to anyone in Franco's life. He can't fake it or force it. He also doesn't want the connection, and again, I can't say I blame him for that. As a Friz fan, I would love to see Dranco drawn to Elizabeth, etc., but as I said in my own post, I can't fault "Drew" for not wanting to just accept that he's someone else. He may physically look like someone else, but in his mind, he's still "Drew." I know if I woke up in a different body w/my mind intact, I wouldn't just fall into a new life; I'd want to get back to my old life. I honestly think most ppl would feel the same.

Kim is disgusting for what she did. She has taken advantage of a brain damaged, mentally impaired man. She is a selfish person and a horrible friend. We all know if Cameron had rec'd the transfer, she wouldn't be bedding him, but she can't control herself around her friend's husband?!?! As far as Dranco is concerned, I completely understand why he has no interest in being anyone else. If you were to wake up tomorrow w/your memories intact but in a completely different body, would you just accept that you are not yourself and this other person in this other life?!? I think most ppl wouldn't . . . . at least not immediately. Dranco can't just forget his own life, memories, friendships, and relationships to embrace another person's life and relationships. I think it would be nearly impossible for anyone to just accept. That said, I do think the procedure should be done on him no matter what he wants. Despite what he thinks, he is not Drew. It's like a possession. The memories inhabiting his body do not have more of a right to his body than the actual person. Franco only took Drew's memories to save Cameron. He didn't take them for any other reason. He would want to return to Liz if he could. Kim knows this too, which is why her role in this is so disgusting. If 6 months or a year had passed, and Franco was still "Drew," then I might be able to understand Kim being w/him, but it's been what . . . a couple of weeks??! Kim is complete and utter trash! I'm just hoping Franco's memories are returned, and she gets hurt. Liz deserves the right to stomp all over Kim's body!

I will also join the minority and say I am absolutely loving this "Dranco" story. It is stupid. It makes no sense, but I'm enjoying the acting. I do like Friz and Franco, in general, so this story is working for me right now. I do not want it to last forever, but it is the most entertaining story on GH for me right now.

It would depend on CA law. Where I practice, there is a presumption that custody should remain w/the biological parent(s). The court examines is what is in the child's best interests so if the third party had evidence that the child was being abused and/or neglected by the bio parent, then he/she could certainly present that evidence to the court, but it may not be enough to rebut the parental presumption. Our statute also clearly outlines when third parties can file. The third party must have maintained a relationship w/the child, primarily assumed the duties of a parent, and lived w/the child for a certain period of time. A bio parent can consent to the third party filing, or the third party can file if she/he has been living w/the child and believes the filing is necessary to prevent harm to the child. I don't think enough evidence has been presented to warrant ripping Celeste's kids from her. I could see a judge ordering her into drug counseling, but awarding custody to ML?!? To me, that's doubtful.

Abuse/neglect proceedings are different from regular custody cases. No one's parental rights are at risk of being terminated in your normal custody case. It's usually just two parents battling it out in court, or a third party against the bio parent(s). Also, the bio parents are afforded attorneys in abuse/neglect proceedings. That does not occur in custody cases. There are not always allegations of bad acts if a case goes to trial. Sometimes, you just can't settle a case, and it goes to trial. That doesn't necessarily mean one party has something explosive to share.

Your case was closed because it was likely some kind of abuse/neglect proceeding. Those kinds of proceedings are typically closed to the public, but your average custody isn't. Now, most of the time the ppl in the courtrooms are those with cases or supportive family members and/or friends. Most ppl aren't just hanging around family court to observe hearings . . . . at least that had not been my experience. Law students, law clerks, and attorneys observe court on occasion. It is a good way to get a feel for a judge, esp if you are new to the jurisdiction or the judge is new to the bench.

In DC and Maryland, custody proceedings are open to the public. Anyone can come and observe if they wish. They are not generally closed proceedings. If a sensitive issue comes up, it can be closed, but that doesn't normally happen. Again, abuse and neglect proceedings are definitely closed. This was a custody case. I see no reason why it would be closed to the public. A quick Google search got me this from the Superior Ct of CA, Santa Clara County (http://www.scscourt.org/general_info/community/visit.shtml): "Courthouse visits (individuals): Generally, all Court proceedings are open to the public, with the exceptions of Juvenile Justice Court, Juvenile Dependency Court and select closed hearings." That is what I would expect honestly.

Again, as someone who practices family law, I must say it is not uncommon or unusual for a custody proceeding to be public. It is rare for a custody proceeding to be closed. These proceedings are normally open to the public. If this had been an abuse/neglect proceeding,then it would have been closed but it's just a custody case. I've observed plenty of custody/divorce proceedings while I'm waiting on my own case to be called. Maybe it's different in some states, but I found nothing strange about that last night. I must also say that plenty of grandparents have filed for custody for less than what ML has observed. That is not uncommon. I've seen some really frivolous petitions in my life, and depending on the judge, some of them are actually entertained and granted on an emergency basis. It happens. There were aspects about the custody proceeding that were wrong, but the proceeding being open to the public and ML filing b/c of Celeste's sexual escapades and her Ambien use were not among the things that were "off." That said, where I practice, there are clear rules for when third parties are permitted to file for custody. I am not sure if CA has similar rules, but from what I've seen, ML would likely not have standing to have filed this case against Celeste in my state. Now, could she call Child Protective Services and try to get them involved? Sure, but she hasn't assumed the duties of parenting Max and Josh, so I'd argue her case be dismissed for lack of standing. I also have to say that a parent's sexual activities come into play if it concerns the children. As I said in my first post, the worst thing Celeste did was bring some random man home that she did not know. Doing so put her children in danger. If she has done that several times, then most judges are going to concerned. The real problem is ML knew about that incident. Yes, single mothers/fathers can have sex w/as many ppl as they want and bring them home around their kids. It will become an issue if a NCP makes it an issue or a nosy grandparent. If ML weren't around, then no one would care (except Celeste's friends) what Celeste was doing. Celeste is in this position b/c she has a nosy MIL, and she was too forthright w/her about things she should have kept to herself.

I'm a family lawyer, and where I practice, family cases are definitely open to the public. They are not closed proceedings so anyone can sit in the courtroom and observe. Again, where I practice, if a judge has scheduled a single custody hrg for the day, the courtroom is usually not packed though ppl can still observe. It's not packed because most ppl have better things to do with their time than watch random ppl's custody proceedings. That said, I saw nothing unbelievable about the open courtroom. I could also see a lawyer bringing up the number of sexual partners a parent has and his/her drug use as a way to show the court that the parent is unfit. Bringing a lot of random men/women around your kids could be problematic. The most problematic thing Celeste did was bring this random man to her home. He could have molested her children while she was passed out or robbed them. It's just not a good look in custody court. I have no idea why this hearing was concluding without ML getting on the stand. That made no sense to me and was the most unbelievable thing about this hearing. This was not a child abuse/neglect proceeding, which would be closed to the public; this was a custody hearing. ML would definitely testify. And that's assuming ML even has standing to petition the court for custody, but I am not familiar w/CA laws so I assume she is able to file. Celeste can definitely represent herself in this case, and is probably better off doing so. I did notice all her friends were in the courtroom, and I thought they were supposed to be witnesses so they shouldn't have been sitting in there. That said, this hearing is weird. In a case like this, there would have been depositions, discovery, a pretrial conference to go over witnesses and evidence that will be presented....but there doesn't appear to have been any of that.

I am 100% Team Ed. While I agree that he will eventually have to decide if he wants to salvage his marriage or not, I don't think he needs to do that now. From what I can tell, not much time has passed since he learned of Madeline's infidelity. It's been what ..... a couple of weeks?! Maybe a month? It hasn't been several months or years. This wound is still fresh for him. I think it's crazy for Madeline to expect him to know exactly what he wants to do in 2-3 weeks from learning she cheated on him. Ed has a right to take some time and figure things out, and Madeline has to give him that time. She has to allow him space to be distant or snarky. To me, her line to him would have made more sense if 6-7 months had passed. I honestly think it's been about 2 weeks. I also think her need for him to get over this within a couple of weeks or so speaks volumes about her true feelings for him. Why isn't she fighting for him by giving him the time he needs? You broke the trust in your marriage, but since your husband didn't immediately forgive you, you want him to just divorce you?!? Do you care about this man at all? I believe if Nathan had come back to her, she would have tried to make it work because she loved him deeply. Again, if several months had passed, I would understand Madeline, but it hasn't been that long. I just don't think Madeline feels any deep love for Ed. Trust me, I understand she, alone, can't save their marriage and Ed has to be a willing participant, but expecting your spouse to get over your infidelity in a few weeks is ridiculous. As someone else pointed out, Ed told Maddy last year that he knew he wasn't "the one" for her, and I think the cheating just confirmed it for him. I've never felt Maddy truly loved Ed. I think Ed is trying to figure out what he wants to do. In all honesty, they should be living apart for now. That would probably be best. Ed is a good guy, IMO, and deserves to be with someone who truly loves him. I hope he gets that at the end of the series.

Brad and Lucas are barely day players in this story, and it heavily involves them. They were LITERALLY pulled out of the closet for this crappy story and don't even have any real, substantive POV. As a Brucas and Brad fan, I have not been pleased. This story sucks. Plus, the last thing boring Michael needs is a baby. If this show had any imagination or creativity, they would reveal that Nelle lied to Michael about him being the father. That would be the ultimate twist and would be unbelievably cruel of her - make him and his family mourn a child that was never his. Michael can get a child later. He doesn't need one now, esp. when the kid is just going to go upstairs never to be seen again until a holiday!

I just can't with SVU sometimes, and last night was a time when I just had to turn off the show. Once the wife revealed that she had also been raped and manipulated into a marriage w/him, I was just done. I didn't even care anymore. This show really needs to STOP pushing their Benson is always right narrative. It's annoying at this point. I'm a woman, and I work w/domestic violence victims. A prosecutor would be hard pressed to find 12 jurors who would believe that both of these women were raped and then immediately manipulated, mind tricked into thinking they weren't and then getting into relationships w/this guy. No prosecutor would even take this to trial. Kitty was on video happily opening her door to her rapist and admitted to engaging in a relationship w/him after her rape. His fiancee does the same and was set to marry him. There aren't enough experts to make jurors understand the logic/mind set of dating your rapist. It's too strange. It's too odd. Prosecutors wouldn't touch these cases w/a 10-foot pole. It's hard enough to get them to prosecute a clear cut case, but the show would have you believe, they would prosecute (and win) this craziness! In real life, survivors don't always get justice. This should have been one of those times. I also think this should have been one of those times when we learn the woman had lied! Kitty was unhinged. I literally told my sister, "Oh, the last time Shiri was on here, she was a true victim. I guess tonight she isn't." But if Benson believes her, then you just know, Benson is right. It takes all the suspense out of the show. Benson is never wrong nowadays. Ugh. And the worst part was her mini-breakdown over Kitty's comments. What was that?!?! Why would Olivia let Kitty's comments impact her that much? Oh, I know they threw in that crap about overhearing her mother, but she's still traumatized by that? She hasn't worked through that yet?!? That was lame. I felt nothing for her b/c I didn't think Kitty's comments should hurt her. Kitty is allowed to not want to give birth to her rapist's baby. This isn't the first, nor will it be the last time Olivia hears something like that given her line of work. Anyway, I hated this episode when it went down the predictable path. Shiri was good, but the concept needed more thought behind it, IMO.

I didn't know Shiri directed this episode, but no wonder I actually liked it!! She understands Roswell! For me, this was the FIRST episode I really enjoyed. I actually felt like Max, Michael, Maria, and Liz were friends. The scene in the bar was cute, and they acted like real friends for once. I really like the Michael/Maria scenes. They are cute together. I'm still not on board with Max/Liz, which is so odd for me because I loved OG Max/Liz, but they were better last night than in other episodes, IMO. Anyway, I liked last night's episode.

This is my issue w/the show too. For me, Max is still way too emotional. I know he's upset about Isobel, but maybe if he hadn't been so emotional leading up to this episode, I would have looked at his breakdown differently. And I still don't know why he's so hung up on Liz. He just needs to get over her. I didn't hate OG Michael, but Max was definitely my favorite. In this reboot, I think I like Michael the best, but that's it. I'm really indifferent or actively dislike most of the characters on this show, which is not good.

My sister and I call him Todd too. He will always be the fake Todd Manning to me! LOL!

OMG! I could not agree more with you about Liz. From reading the comments on this episode, I honestly thought I was going to be the odd one out here when it comes to Liz. I literally cannot stand this Liz or this version of Max/Liz. I understand Liz is upset about her sister's death, but I just don't know . . . . the character is not at all sympathetic to me. I find her very annoying, and it's not at all clear to me why Max is still hung up on her after all these years. I don't care for Rosa or Liz. LOL! I also see no chemistry btw this Max and Liz. I don't even like this Max. He's overly emotional and seems to have no control over his powers. But I also agree that I'm not sure how Max/Liz are going to move past what he did. As many have mentioned, they could have put someone else in the drivers' seat. Why choose Rosa? Whatever. I missed about 30 minutes of this episode last night b/c I thought this show went on a mini-hiatus like The Flash, but the parts I did see re-confirmed my belief that the concept of this show works better w/teens than ppl in their late 20s. I think these characters should be in HS. And as a black woman, I think what's been done to Maria is a travesty. She may as well not even be on the show. Why did they make her Rosa's friend? What was the point of that?

I cannot stand Grace. Honestly, I've never liked the character, and she's only become more annoying and insufferable in the last few episodes. The truth of the matter is she's no longer in love w/her husband. She fell in love w/Danny, but felt obligated to go back to Ben b/c he had just returned from this horrific ordeal. She knows she's no longer in love w/him, but she's just too gutless and spineless to tell him. She has probably been waiting for any excuse to ditch him and run back to Danny. I think that's what's really happening here. I mean your husband has been gone for five freaking years. He, your son, and SIL return the exact same age as when they left w/no memory as to where they've been or what happened to them. Clearly, something weird and supernatural occurred w/them, so when your husband tells you he must protect your son, you cannot give this man the benefit of the doubt?!?! You can't trust him even a little?!?! It makes me wonder if she ever trusted him. Grace is awful. She's the most unsupportive, self-absorbed, clueless spouse I've seen on a show in a long time.

What really bothered me about this episode was how Liv kept acting like it was a slam dunk case. The victim said she was drunk, passed out, and woke up w/Peter in the bed w/her. She didn't go to the room alone. She went there w/two other ppl. For all she knew, another person assaulted her. She just assumed it was Peter b/c he was in bed w/her, but that wasn't rock solid evidence. The whole thing was really messy, but Liv was acting like it was such a strong case. I was scratching my head and wondering what I was missing b/c it wasn't strong at all.

I hated this episode and Benson's attitude so much that I was hoping beyond hope that Lourdes was wrong, and that that Miguel was NOT her trafficker. I really wanted Benson to learn a lesson and be proven wrong b/c she was off the rails in this episode. I'm so happy I wasn't alone in wanting Olivia to be wrong. To me, that would have made the episode much better b/c Olivia has clearly lost all her objectivity. She shouldn't be leading this squad anymore. Fin should be leading. The Olivia of old wouldn't hesitate to arrest a rape victim who exacted her own justice against her abuser, but this Olivia wants Lourdes set free despite her holding ppl hostage, torturing someone, and murdering someone AND there being no evidence to support her claims about Miguel. I'm so angry they made Olivia right about him. I really wanted him to be innocent and for it to be a case of mistaken identity. When that cigar scene happened, I said, "Screw it" and muted the show. I didn't even want to watch Olivia be right about everything. As a lawyer, I was also fully on Stone's side. They had NO evidence that Miguel was Lourdes's trafficker. Everything Stone said made sense, and nothing Benson said did. Stone needs evidence to prosecute, Olivia. You used to know that. What is going on w/her character? Plus, why did Olivia have to be the one in the hostage situation? Why not Finn? Or Carisi? I'm sick of Olivia. I'm sick of her crusades. I'm sick of her always being right. I'm sick of the show being entirely focused on her. They need to let some of the other characters - esp. Finn - shine more regularly. I don't know about the larger audience but I certainly don't watch for Olivia. I've overdosed on Olivia at this point !