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Aww, junior detective Keith is a cutie. I actually think the actor playing Theo communicates well even if you don't know ASL. In the fight with Teddy in the earlier episode, I noticed I could read his lips more than I can with hearing actors (I try sometimes when someone's mumbling and I can't tell what they're saying and the subtitles/CC doesn't record it). But Mabel was frustrated and not in the mood to slow down and write/text a conversation. It was hilarious that THIS is the moment when the stage whisper can be overheard by other characters. Theo actually being a useful ally in investigating is a fun development. Also, if anyone should trauma bond, it's Mabel and Theo. I would be cool with this relationship for season 3. Detective Williams is great They're really hiding Glitter Guy but I do love that Mabel doesn't get stuck in damsel positions. I kept expecting a jump scare where she'd get attacked but instead she handled herself, even when he found her in the locker. I get that Mabel wanted to talk about her dad but I feel like taking Theo's attention away from driving was a bad call... A blackout creates some drama for the next episode. Though I miss having a fun end credits songs.

Is anyone even trying? Fair point if the records are incomplete but if they're not digitized, that's just laziness. You can obtain paper records. I am skeptical of the woman who published the opinion article and Sacheen's sisters. But I didn't know anything of her self-described history before this and some of it comes across as... embellished. I'm not outraged if she chose to lie. She's passed on and there are no claims of harm except from her family. I am disheartened that no one wants to put in an ounce of research into Sacheen's claims to defend her beyond dragging up receipts against her sisters or the journalist but that's why I mostly stay off twitter.

Maybe I've just been watching too much Finding Your Roots. I recently watched the re-airing of the episode where Rebecca Hall discovers that her maternal grandfather lied about being Sioux after marrying a Native woman to hide his black ancestry. Even though her great-grandfather was relatively successful. https://www.pbs.org/weta/finding-your-roots/watch/extras/rebecca-halls-great-grandfathers-success-story

This is how I feel about Cinda. It's Tina Fey! She's playing a horrible boss so well. Amy Schumer and Jane Lynch grate because it doesn't feel like they're bringing their A game.

@Dani This is from the article. If there's a way to fact-check it, I wish someone would. Presumably the outlets just reposting the article could also source marriage and baptismal records. https://deadline.com/2022/10/sacheen-littlefeather-fact-or-fiction-academy-museum-owes-exhibit-1235153768/ This article talks about an interview with Jacqueline Stewart. What is journalism? Is everyone incapable of fact-checking? It shouldn't be that difficult to verify some of these details and it should be standard practice against misinformation.

@GiuliettaMasina I'm not really on twitter. Has anyone managed to find evidence to corroborate Sacheen's claims or disprove the claims in the article?

Favorite things spotted on Poppy the Cinda clone's screen: "5am Primal Scream" "9am Clitoral stimulation session with Jake" "7:30am Ask Poppy to stop doing that thing" "12pm Carb nap" "5pm Early dinner, then BED!!!" Amy Ryan was ridiculous (in the best way) this episode. "Because I tried to kill you? How many times are you going to make me apologize for that?" After the opening, I was not prepared for Jane Lynch. Not as bad as Amy Schumer but... the energy she was bringing still threw me off. Meanwhile, Andrea Martin who can be super over the top managed to be kooky without being offputting. Going after the unappreciated assistant is such a classic move. I knew Jimmy would be a creep. The glitter bomb going off in the background was so intense. lol, I knew Charles would want Sazz to handle the breakup. Jane was a little better in the dramatic scene but... I could do without her Did Alice paint different figures in the windows of the building? Also, as bad as any betrayal would have been, to do it in Mabel's own apartment??? Horrible. Aww, look at Oliver learning to enjoy other "dips" Trust Mabel to not be defenseless but the stabbing definitely makes it seem like that was not the killer.

Maybe Oliver wasn't keeping great track of the blonde cards. I don't think they were all as notable as "Early Betamax Adopter" or whatever that was. He would obviously know now if he looks in the deck and sees a missing card.

They found a good young actor for the flashback with at least a touch of that impish Martin Short quality. This show is obsessed with dads. (Though, honestly, a lot of media is.) It's interesting that through all the variations of flawed dads Oliver - narcissistic, Teddy - abusive/controlling, Charles - absent/neglectful, we're meant to understand they are all loving, however flawed their parenting might be. I guess you could throw in Oscar's dad from season 1 too. I liked the Jan bit for the mocking of true crime/prestige drama. Charles was not having any of her BS. Winnie as Toto was ADORABLE Honestly, that Iran-Contra joke tracks. Millennial... still don't know, still don't care. Oliver is totally the type to have one party gimmick... and making it Werewolf/Mafia "Well, as usual, I find your acting unconvincing." 😄 When Oliver started on that line of attack, I figured Alice was lying about her background. But I don't think this clears her the way Nina seemed to be ruled out. Ivan doesn't seem untrustworthy. While his build seems closer to the person we've seen than some of the others, I think he's still too tall. I just can't place the killer's build among any of the characters. Maybe Will? (Obviously it's not Will.) Idk... maybe they're just pulling shenanigans and it's going to be a stunt actor who won't look like the killer when they're revealed. Charles reconnecting with Jan is chaos Teddy is Will's biological father!?!

That would be misleading. David is huge. He's like a giant (easily over 6 ft) and has a muscular build like one of those comic book movie guys. It's difficult to gauge but to me, it looked like someone around 5'7 - 5'10, who was neither notably skinny nor fat. It looked like the person fit the jumpsuit. It wasn't tight but there wasn't a ton of extra fabric. It just hung a little loose as you'd expect for that kind of outfit. Unless they're tricking us... but that would be an unfair bluff. I'm letting that go as a choice to let the audience hear all the dialogue. Which I appreciate since this is one of the few newer shows where I don't need the subtitles because everyone is mumbling. (I do turn them on once in a while, like for Lucy to make sure I caught all the "teen speak.") I was thinking it was either expanding the building with new apartments/more amenities for residents or else creating a space that would bring in non-residents... like a rooftop bar. Whatever it was, it was hideous. I assume the writers are keeping track but this timeline doesn't make the most sense to me. lol, I was thinking of the banjo stuff. But your idea works better.

Loose ends! The opening got me excited for the rest of the episode. I didn't expect to suddenly meet Lucy. Charles yelling at the voice to text on the phone was very funny and silly. Also "you can play games on your telephone." 😄 Aww, poor Will. I guess Teddy being back with an ankle monitor awaiting trial makes sense. I'm happy to have Nathan Lane back so I won't complain. I love that Lucy proved to be too young for even Mabel to comprehend. I got most of it but they also threw in some nonsense. Would she be Gen Z or Alpha? She looks like a teenager. The murder weapon just appearing in the knife block was almost more chaotic than finding Bunny on the brink of death and the painting appearing. I like the idea that they're dealing with a real mastermind this season. Though I'm starting to wonder if the person has accomplices. Oliver throwing the knife into the ceiling was so dumb but I cackled. The architecture of the building makes even less sense to me now... but I love secret passageways! I know the guy in the suit with Nina. David T. Patterson was in a production of Picnic a couple years ago. And yes, he is super hot. Oh my God, the ACTING in that scene between Teddy and Theo. I've been enjoying the lighter tone this season but that was great. That was a nice scene between Charles and Nina. And as expected, the red herring was dropped quickly. It's been 8 years since he's seen Lucy??? Speaking of timelines, what was the timeline for this day? How did Oliver still have enough time to run over to see Will? How long were they keeping those kids at rehearsal? Was it a weekend? Oliver bribing kids with Skittles is just so in character. Oh... they're really giving us a build for the murderer now. Visiting Jan in prison was NOT a return of a character I saw coming. I appreciate that, except for dead bodies, this show is willing to call in anyone at any time.

Maybe I've just been burned by shows like Pretty Little Liars but I assume the "killer" is a stunt actor/stand in unless they're trying to show us a clear flashback. The only time I feel cheated is if the real actor looks nothing like the stand in (e.g. tiny feet vs big feet without any mention of wearing the wrong shoe size on purpose). Speaking as a millennial, I'd expect that kind of awkwardness from Mabel but not from Oliver and especially Charles. They feel like part of a generation that was aware of and observed those social graces. Even if they wanted to celebrate by themselves, it feels like Charles' instinct would be to invite her in just to be polite. It's one of those things I write off as weak prop work/costumes. Same. It's the thing I pay the least attention to. Yes. All three leads experienced loneliness (for different reasons) before they met. And we've also seen it in the other characters... even the Arconiacs to a degree. Given Charles' omelets, I wouldn't be surprised by him feeling the most guilt though. Maybe a fake elevator inspector? It would explain the boots and the work outfit worn by the killer. I'm never confident about reading into "clues" like this for that reason. I lean on script/dialogue instead.

I knew Oliver would try to interview Mrs. Gambolini. The black and white checkerboard print with a lime green accent cardigan on Mabel was perfect. I'm going to need a slideshow of her fashions this season. Also, great Moonstruck reference. Bunny's last day wasn't super exciting compared to the high-adrenaline mystery solving of the other episodes but it was kind of sweet and very New York. I didn't really think about how she was styled last season. The glasses and the big fur coat and the push cart were kind of adorable. Jayne Houdyshell was a good choice to make what could be a cartoonish character feel grounded without needing to show us too much of her life onscreen. They definitely softened her by showing all the people she did get along with but it doesn't feel like a retcon. People can be mean to some people and nice to others. Aww, Will is back Still some good funny moments this episode even if it wasn't so dramatic... like Howard loudly scribbling down the minutes during Bunny and Nina's fight. "Welp, honestly not sure what the hell is happening... Oh, My'lanta. Nina just let this bitch have it" To not leave a trail of blood, that ending scene implies the killer was able to drag a screaming and fighting Bunny into Mabel's apartment (without anyone noticing) before stabbing her or doing anything to incapacitate her (since she was still conscious when Mabel found her).

I think it makes sense from a TV writing perspective, but the timeline is bad. I forget which thread it's talked about here, but TV writers seem allergic to happy couples. But also, as we saw with Jan last season, you're not really going to run around just in a trio if you have a partner. I don't think they wanted Oscar (even if he was a Hardy Boy) tagging along solving the mystery. Oscar definitely would have gotten involved with Mabel framed as the main suspect. Alice is easier to write in because she's a stranger so she's not going to be in the inner circle of trust. I don't know how I'm supposed to feel about the forged painting because in AS's apartment, it looked printed (vs. a painting or lithograph) and I don't know if that is significant or just a basic prop thing I'm not supposed to read too much into. I do like the idea of Leonora played by Shirley MacLaine being a fake but I have to imagine someone in the building knew what Bunny's mom looked like, even if just from photos. Though maybe not depending on the age of the residents and when they moved in.

It would be funny to create an alternate timeline where someone playing themselves is now dead in the OMITB universe. I don't think Alice has pure motives for Mabel but I don't think she's the killer (or probably even involved in the murder). I do think Howard's black eye is suspicious but that seems like another red herring because I don't think they'd give us such an obvious clue so early. Agreed. She is the hotel heiress. You'd have to really strain an explanation of her money belonging to her husband (because she's a woman) to make all that dialogue work with Leonara = Rose, unless she was outright lying. To me, that goes against the rules of fairplay too much.

There was some okay costuming for the extras but that flashback of Charles and his dad had to be some of the worst period piece work on a TV show. "You must ask permission to tell stories from now on." 😄 And when she was recording at the end, I saw a spark of the old Selena. I hope they figure out what to do with the character so she can have a personality. It took me a second to recognize the guard... it clicked once I heard Gut Milk. Shirley MacLaine. Now that's some star power. Her attempts to eat that wedge of cheese got a real laugh. The painting business was simple but managed to be very exciting. I'm actually invested in them not getting caught. I love the bold colors they've been using to dress Mabel. It also works really nicely for fall. I do think Cara can pull of glamorous and enigmatic and naturally flirtatious so this role worked for her. But I was immediately suspicious of her wanting Mabel to be filmed doing something aggressive when she's a person of interest in a violent murder. I do like that they went for a kiss (even if there was little build up) rather than prolonging it into something that might have felt like queerbaiting. It's a shame to lose Oscar but I suppose he can always come back as a friend if there's an amicable breakup. I actually don't dislike Amy Schumer but she's so grating on this show. I don't know why comedy writers think the most annoying person you've ever met is a hilarious character to write into their scripts. Interesting that the painting is a reproduction. From the way Leonara was talking to Charles about an artist needing to disappear, I thought maybe she was "Rose" but I don't think that's it because she wouldn't have been so broke she just glued the back of the painting. Well, at least someone is responsible for the bird now. I feel like Mrs. Gambolini is going to be important somehow. Excellent song for the credits.

I've been waiting for Halloween season. Michael Rapaport was spot on casting but I thought they went waaay over the top with the cursing. Like they were just having too much fun saying all the bad words on streaming. YES. I love when characters know to ask for a lawyer. It's so contrived when they don't. Interesting that Bunny was stabbed 8 times. That explains all the blood on Mabel (though I don't remember the body looking that gory). Also, the police didn't clean up the blood??? I'm not sure about the characterization of Mabel. Selena was very charismatic as a child actress. They need to let her be more fun as a deadpan snarker or else let her play more pathos (which she might not be capable of). The middle ground just makes the performance a little dull at times because she isn't really reacting that much to the deep trauma of finding Bunny stumbling towards her but she isn't getting to deliver the wisecracks like jokes. I'm okay with Cara Delevingne so far. It is a little weird that was the only DM she picked out but the character seems fine. She was best one on one with Selena... not sure about her general acting but she has a flirty energy that worked for the character. And I do like the way they're letting Mabel navigate the social media notoriety and negative attention. The Amy Schumer cameo was a lot more annoying. So far it doesn't work nearly as well as Sting last season. Amy is sometimes very consciously "acting" in a way that's awkward to watch and isn't comedic. Pairing her with Martin Short was too much similar energy, though it made Oliver feel more subtle. Now Tina Fey... that was perfect. Especially with the Cinda clones. The whole Brazzos reboot was very "write what you know" but I enjoyed it. The bird with Bunny's voice is silly but I'm willing to see where it goes. The secret elevator was fun. The bossa nova music choices worked perfectly. I don't find the show consistently hilarious. A lot of the jokes don't hit. But I tend to like the little asides and quick jabs they've done a good job of casting actors who can work those little moments. There's usually a first joke and it's the second or third reaction that I actually find funny. Jackie Hoffman was an exception. Incredible delivery of every line.

https://www.thecut.com/2022/10/olivia-wilde-dog-rehoming-controversy-explained.html

https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Sacheen-Littlefeather-oscar-Native-pretendian-17520648.php

Having to find pieces before you started the puzzle would have been a great additional challenge. And we would have gotten to see more of the location (though as a big tourist spot, I wonder if there was a limit to the area they could section off)

https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Broadway-Composer-Lucy-Simon-Has-Passed-Away-20221020

My favorites are still Marcus/Michael and Emily/Molly. If another team had to win, I'd take Quinton/Mattie. I like Glenda/Lumumba for the most part but I don't think they can win (this episode's mat chat aside). I don't hate anyone else but Derek is starting to annoy me a little, I don't love Abby/Will, and the other teams haven't made a big impression. I'm not actively rooting against anyone but it's the difference between a neutral outcome and a truly likable team winning.

From Deadline

I'm pretty sure I remember Lumumba finding those cans in the middle of the search area as well. I can't imagine production digging out a ton of sand to be sure it was clean before hiding the clues. Maybe that was part of the reasoning behind not hiding the clues very deep.

https://www.vulture.com/2022/10/lana-del-rey-lost-music-manuscript-in-a-robbery.html How does this keep happening to her??