Trini
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He's a war hero, not a veteran cop.
Can't he be both? In any case, is it even possible to go from a military career directly to police detective? He has to have some law enforcement experience.
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From the Episode 1 thread:
I'm assuming (for now) that this version of Gotham City will not include the so-called metahumans, or any kind of paranormal abilities.
For right now the showrunners are going for a more real world tone, but if the show lasts long enough, I can see it slowly going in the other direction; and those metahuman characters might eventually fit into this world they've set up. Arrow managed it two seasons, and Person of Interest went from CBS procedural to serialized, sci-fi thriller in three.
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They'd be crazy to kill off Jada Pinkett Smith.
Oh, I think she'll be here for entire first season, at least. Probably longer.
I'm assuming (for now) that this version of Gotham City will not include the so-called metahumans, or any kind of paranormal abilities.
Responding in the Speculation thread.
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I can't find it again, but I think there was an interview (linked a while back on TWoP) where the producers addressed whether the Waynes murder would be solved. I think it's going to be a season long arc, but yeah, it's very likely that the killer was working for someone else.
In other speculation: the fact that Cobblepot is still alive is eventually going to get back to Falcone/Fish/Bullock. Midseason, maybe? Is Gordon completely screwed, or will he have gained some leverage by then?
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Are they serious? Is he going to die in every episode? That was annoying enough in the pilot. But props to them for the fakeout with Henry getting hit by a truck instead of falling. Although I thought his entire scene on the bridge was stupid.
And the voiceover is still here.
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What I did not expect was Jada Pinkett-Smith stealing every scene she was in. But her character isn't canon, and this show is mining Batman mythos for world-building, so I don't expect her to have much of a future. If she lasts through the end of the season (assuming it's not cancelled), I'll be surprised.
I feel a lot more optimistic about Fish Mooney's longevity than most, I guess. She's not from the comics, but I think she'll be around as long as the writers like her. (In my experience with other genre shows, over-the-top villains tend to stick around longer than you want, or longer than is logical. Or both!)
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So is this show this year's Intelligence? AKA: Crazy Problems Solved by Superhumans in Highly Implausible Ways.
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I do wish they hadn't introduced so many characters all at once.
This seems to be a Hollywood pilot thing. Everyone needs to be seen upfront -- even if that's not the best way to tell the story. I kinda get that producers, etc. might need to do that to pitch a show, but then I think they should then do it the better way for when it actually airs. Of course, then making two pilots is not cost effective... so we're stuck with front-loaded pilots.
/pet peeve
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Does anyone know if this program is following Pre- or Post-Crisis Batman cannon?
They're not following any specific canon as far as I know; they're mostly treating this as a new story/new version.
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Since the producers say no character is off the table, I want to see Baby Doll and Clayface in some form.
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Bruno Heller interview at Coliider.
One interesting bit:
Are there any characters in the stories or the comic books that you absolutely will not include on the show?HELLER: There are certain characters that would be very, very difficult to put on the screen. That crocodile guy is a tough one, although we may go there. We haven’t excluded anyone from the mix, potentially. But generally, what we’re looking at is characters where there is some drama, or a story behind how they got to be the way they are. And we’re looking for characters who can live in the real world of Gotham, as opposed to the even more super-real world of Metropolis. It’s not about superpowers. It’s about super will, if you like. So, we have veered towards those characters who are interesting as people, rather than interesting for their particular power or their particular gimmick or their costume. But, the simple answer is that we’re ready to go with any of them.
I assumed that any of the really "out there"/sci-fi characters were off the table; but now it looks like we could see anybody -- as long as they don't show any superpowers. More options if this show lasts long enough.
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I have questions about Gordon's history with the city/police: Everyone kept treating (and telling) Gordon like it was his first day in Gotham. Maybe it's his first week as a detective, but doesn't that imply that he has been in the GCPD for a while at a lower rank? Because it seems as though this was his first taste of how corrupt and cynical the police force is, but he didn't pick up on that when he worked there previously? (Was he there previously?) Did I miss a line of exposition? I'm going to need a little more backstory.
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seriously. Ethernet net cable dangled out of the plane. SERIOUSLY????
No no no -- ethernet cable AND the co-pilot dangling out of the plane. Seriously??
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Hey, it worked for Castle. (Sorry, I just have never thought that Nathan Fillion and Stana Katic have anything in the way of romantic chemistry, but it's going into Season 7, so...)
....Other than that, this will never win awards, but there's nothing wrong with fluff TV. Time will tell if it'll be good fluff or forgotten fluff. But I'll (literally) tune in tomorrow to find out...
Heh; I still have yet to get into Castle, so thanks for the info.
Nope, nothin' wrong with fluff, but there wasn't any character I really liked enough for me to stick around for -- not good when I've already seen this before with more likeable people. But I'll give a couple more episodes.
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For the time being, Fox is going to be re-airing Gotham episodes Fridays at 9 Eastern. I wonder if airing twice a week will help the show any?
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Detectives Gordon and Bullock investigate a child trafficking ring preying on Gotham's street kids, including Selina Kyle. Meanwhile, Penguin resurfaces in the countryside and begins to make his way back to GOTHAM, leaving victims in his wake.
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but these comic book references just to make them seemed out of place (like Ivy for example).
That was annoying to me even before this aired; hopefully it's just a case of pilot-itis and there's a lot less of it in future episodes.
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"You can't have organized crime without law and order."
...And then I mentally added the "chung-chung" sound effect at the end.
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Liked it, excited to see how what they do with all these characters.
They did pack everything but the kitchen sink into the pilot--yes, Nygma, Ivy, and CatTween® weren't needed here. For me, the show will succeed or fail on whether they can follow up on all the leads they started here.
I've never seen Ben McKensie in anything, but I liked him and thought he really embodied the character. As for Fish, sorry to say, but I think she can only get campier from here on out. Loved the wig adjustment, though! After all those preview clips, I needed that unexpected moment of comedy.
I need to see more of Cobblepot to form an real opinion. However, the little bit we saw of Alfred intrigued me. Him telling Bruce to keep his head up walking away from the crime scene tells you a lot.
LOVED the production values! Including the wardrobe choices. They really got the moodiness of the city down.
So about the plot: I'm really worried for Gordon; he's a minnow in a city of sharks!
P.S.: Credit to mtlchick for 'CatTween'. :-)
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This show is shaping up to be a kind of popular TV actor graveyard.
Pretty much.
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Finally got to watch this through, and re-watch the New Amsterdam pilot; so, thar be comparisons ahead!
It wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, although there was alot of 'I've seen this before, only done better'. I'm willing to give this a chance (2 more episodes) to see if it gets any better. They really need to tone down the Sherlock wannabe stuff -- there are enough of those on TV right now.
This and New Amsterdam have quite a few things in common (from the pilots, at least); obviously the immortal male lead solving crimes in NYC with his centuries of accumulated knowledge, with female sidekick. But also:
• Both have narration (but NA’s is only in the first ten minutes)
• A secret lab/workshop
• A European actor cast
• Both still use a pocketwatch
• A key scene takes place in the subway
• Both have a son that appears older, that functions as their confidant
• Both shows the reason for Immortality is iffy (but it's fantasy, so, whatevs), but involves the lead getting killed trying to protect someone else.
• Also both pilots manage to get the lead naked, or wet and naked more than once. Heh.But there a lot of differences, though. They did make some effort to differentiate it from similar shows.
In NA, he knows how he became immortal and (mostly) knows what he has to do to die. In Forever, all that is a mystery; which I think is an good way to keep interest. In NA, there’s a romantic drama subplot that a big theme; his past relationships are very relevant. In Forever, he mentions that others found out his secret and he got in trouble; in NA, it seems only his lovers and some of his children know the secret.NA had more racial diversity; and the lead had a female partner as well as a love interest. However, this show it looks like the female partner is going to have a more substantial role.
For me the most significant difference between the two is the lead characters. I liked John Amsterdam way more than Henry Morgan. John was a lot more charming, and actually seems to care about life and people. He seemed to be more careful about his immortality; even though he couldn’t die, he could still be scarred by injuries. In contrast, Henry died four times in the pilot (twice on purpose!) — more times than John did on his short-lived show. You’d think he’d be more careful seeing as how he always wakes up in another location. And he’s just more obnoxious and annoying with his knowledge.
The show has potential and I hope it gets better. However, I thought the chemistry between the two leads was lukewarm, so I doubt it has any staying power.
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Again, I have to ask, why make a robot child and try to make him mimic the particulars of a real human child? What's the advantage, when the robot boy is dumbed down below what any computer-based AI could do? Was it to test social AI and ability for an AI to emotionally develop? That might be interesting, but instead his father/creator expected everyone to treat him like a real-live boy, instead of like what he is, an experiment in AI.
I actually think that a story about an AI learning to be more human (or whatever) would be a cool idea for a show; I just don't think it fit here on this show where the main story is about aliens.
This show lost me in so many places, I just finished watching out of habit.Yeah, I just needed to see how it ended.
But the little boy actor--whether accidentally or on purpose--was still perfect.
I had lots of issues with the Ethan storyline, but I agree, the young actor was really good playing a robotic little boy.
Also, I don't know if it counts as a plot hole, but it bugged me that they never explained why the aliens approached people in the form of dead people. (Well, besides that they wanted to be creepy...)
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Jada seems to be having a lot of fun playing eeeeeevill.
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Abe
in Forever [V]
How come Abe doesn't have a last name??