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So these three possibilities have a lot of merit. These deaths would not only progress the plot and affect certain relationships, it will also hold true to what some of the actors have said about the season.
Lyla: David Ramsay sort of teased that Lyla may or may not be head of ARGUS for long. This leaves room for a lot of speculation that she may be the one to die because there's no other way I can see Lyla stepping down as head other than dying. Not only would this offer some great moments for Digg, it could affect Digg and Oliver's relationship as Oliver will try to keep Digg far away from the Arrow. If Lyla dies, then it would make sense why that particular scene SA and DR shot hit close to home for SA as he's a new father as well.
I really hope Lyla doesn't die, not only because she's awesome, but also because I really don't care to see a woman killed off to set off Diggle's suddenly single father manpain. Not that I don't love DR and I think he'd handle it beautifully, but...eh. As for Lyla not being head of ARGUS for long, since it's a government agency, she wouldn't really have a choice about stepping down if she was told/asked to. I thought that maybe Waller was suspended due to the drone incident and Lyla took her place during that time - maybe she steps down because Waller comes back? I'm hoping that's what happens.
Out of the three possibilities listed above, I think Sin's the most likely.
I guess he could also be talking about Sara, too. When was the last time CL was in Vancouver? While her being signed on for more episodes is a comfort, maybe they're going to be flashbacks? She could be out assassin-ing though, and if something does happen to Sin, maybe she needs time away (although I would think she'd stick around to at least find whoever did it). Basically what I'm saying is that I have no idea.
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I would assume Oliver is training roy, since that's his sidekick
I hope so. I just got worried because it seems like that was done last year - they had Roy proficiently arrowing in the finale.
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They finished 303, they're shooting 304 until 8/22.
JR Ramirez already left Vancouver after he finished his shoot for 303.
EBR and SA have very different views on that subject.
Urgh because you want Felicity trained or another reason?
UGH because I'm afraid the person he's going to be training is Laurel, haha.
Hopefully it's Thea. Or some other person we don't know about.
ETA: I do think Felicity should learn how to defend herself, but I don't think Oliver should be the one who teaches her.
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Spoilery things from Stephen's Facebook Q&A:
1. Two lies and a truth: 1. There's going to be a boxing glove arrow this year, 2. Not everybody makes it and 3. Roy has the only new superhero suit
(SA said Oliver gets a suit upgrade, so we know that's one of the lies. I'll take a guess that #2 is the truth).
Potential UGH:
2. Regarding a question someone asked about whether Oliver's ever going to train Felicity to fight (his answer: he hopes not - Oliver likes Felicity away from danger): "Oliver training people is actually going to be an interesting plot point for season 3"
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If they keep not having time for Laurel's story, one does wonder how long they will persist in keeping her. That's a full time cast salary you could free up for someone that, you know, you're actually interested in writing for.
Well, I for one hope they don't have time for Laurel's story because I really don't care about it, but just because this guy may or may not be in only a few episodes doesn't mean they're not going to focus on her. They'll just be focusing on her without him.
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In the comics, yes. In the show, who knows? I mean we really have no idea what thwy planned. Other than saying he's going to have an impact on Laurel's journey we kind of don't know much.
As for Walter who knows what his original role was? They had a recurring character and the actor got another gig, they had to change plans to accommodate the scheduling conflict.
Yeah, if he accepted a gig with another show, either the filming details have been worked out with Arrow, or he's not going to be on Arrow long enough for it to matter. I'm not even sure he's going to be Wildcat on this show - The banner in the background of the gym read "Home of the SBC (Starling Boxing Club, I guess) WIldcats." Who even knows what they're planning to do with him.
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Damn it, I guess I will have to be fair to Laurel for a moment. Attacking the Stroke was a "reacting without thinking" and adrenaline thing. By the time she was trying to shoot the arrow the adrenaline would have worn off and, oh yeah, she'd just been blown up and had chunks of a tunnel fall on her.
Full disclosure, since I'm the one who brought it up: It never occurred to me that the arrow shooting "breakdown" (for lack of a better word) would've been an adrenaline thing, considering their lives were continuously in danger as they were trying to flee, so I didn't think she'd even have time for a crash. I just assumed it was another instance of the writers making her "badass" when they needed her to be, and then damseling her when they needed to do that. Kind of like how they had her felled by a tranquilizer dart and then kidnapped by one of Slade's goons, but then they had to have Laurel throw a punch at the guy holding her in the treatment plant before she'd run to safety. It's like they know they've had her be damsel-y for too long so they have to remind us that "Hey, she can hold her own too, remember!"
But I'll concede the arrow thing could've been an emotional reaction to a life-threatening situation.
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Sara was already looking out for her without her knowing it, Diggle told us that at the start of Suicide Squad.
I agree that Oliver should have told her, especially since Slade was after Oliver not the Arrow, and he mega should have told her after Thea got kidnapped. But on the down side, based on her past behaviour, he couldn't trust that she wouldn't go rushing out to confront Slade head-on rather than taking care she stayed safe. And that would have made it much more difficult for Oliver.
I know Sara was watching out for her-I went back and edited. Although I wonder who took over when she went to Nanda Parbat?
Point that Laurel could've tried to branch out on her own, and that's a real problem with her characterization. It doesn't make her look noble or brave, it just makes her look stupid. And, I guess leads to scenes like the one where she (surprise!) ends up saving Oliver from a Mirakudude and then minutes later winds up nearly having a breakdown when she has to hit the broad side of a rubble barn with an arrow.
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But all he'd have to do was make her aware of the danger. How she chooses to respond to it is on her-it would've been good information for her to have, knowing that Slade was a threat to her. Sara was already looking out for her without her knowledge. Laurel knowing about Slade would've made all their lives easier.When Quentin wanted to put police protection on Laurel in the fall of s1 because of the bad guy she was going after, she was all 'you're not the boss of me' like a 13 year old and refused it. When in 2x21 Oliver told her to stay behind and stay safe, she followed him and almost got them killed.
It would have made sense to tell Laurel that Slade was after her but how could he trust that she would behave with that consideration?
I guess she could've gone out and done something stupid and tried to take him down herself (LOL), but IDK. I just hate that he hid that vital info.
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I mean, ultimately I get why he didn't want to tell Laurel (or anyone else for that matter) that he's Arrow. There's no reason, however, for him to not tell Laurel about Slade. It was the absolute worst information to withhold, and it just makes him look like a bigger idiot. If he had told Laurel Slade was out to kill her dead, the story probably wouldn't have played out much differently. She might not have opened the door for Slade to tell her Oliver was the Arrow, but she still would've been DiD when convenient to the plot.
But it would've meant he cared about her safety enough to give her a head's up, especially since Slade was out to get Oliver, not Arrow.
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Not according to Oliver. Thea was put in danger in the s2 premiere, was kidnapped by Slade, saw Slade kill Moira and was made aware of the Island connection then as well. Does Oliver tell her? Nope. Doesn't even consider it.
Stupid, yes but consistent with Oliver's thinking..one could argue he doesn't tell the people he truly loves.
We could also argue whether Oliver truly loves Laurel considering he told Slade to do what he had to when he told Oliver he was going to kill Laurel, lmao. The one inarguable fact here is that Oliver is an emotional (and sometimes intellectual) moron.
(For the record, I do think Oliver loves and cares for Laurel - just not romantically anymore)
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Most people are assuming Oliver pushes Felicity away "because of the life I lead." What if he doesn't?
I'm fully prepared to be wrong, but I do think this will be his reasoning.
Stephen Amell said at upfronts that regardless of whether or not Oliver meant the "I love you," the "because of the life I lead" still rings true. The producers said during Comic Con that Oliver's struggle this season is whether he can be Oliver Queen (have a private life) and be the Arrow. The answer at the beginning is going to be no. He'll push her away because that's how he deals with things and has dealt with them from the beginning.
Does it make sense to ask her out on a date, tell her how he feels about her and then say lets be friends because I really only want to be Arrow?
To me it does. He did the same thing with Laurel at the end of the first season. He found out about the Undertaking and was ready to stop it, ran to Laurel the very second he thought he could hang up the hood, then disappeared after the earthquake. Things are going well in Starling, so he asks Felicity out - a catastrophe ensues. This is just history repeating itself, as it tends to with Oliver. Hopefully he learns something this time.
I'm not 100% sure about Felicity's motivation (maybe it could be the stark realization that she's got her life wrapped in a cause and there's a very good chance that she'll have missed most of her life by the time she's done fighting for it). I am, however, 95.5% sure that's exactly what Oliver's will be.
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He not only set her up to be kidnapped, he didn't alert Sara or Quentin about it either. Before he left Felicity at the mansion, he knew that she and he had a plan. And he trusted that she could follow through and stay as safe/not dead as possible.
The contrast between how Oliver treated Laurel and Felicity is glaring.
If Laurel doesn't hit him with bitterness at some point about it, I cry foul.
Yeah, he endangered the lives of nearly everyone he cares about - he wouldn't have even had to tell them he was the Arrow, just that he knew Slade from the island. Yes, that would be admitting that he wasn't alone, but why is that such a big deal?
I would love it if Laurel blew up at him. I still have this faint hope that the "I know you like I know my own name," crap they keep selling is a set up for her really having her eyes opened to just how much she doesn't know him. Sadly, I think they'll just fast-track to being BFFs and "business partners" or whatever.
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Honestly, I don't think Oliver keeping Laurel in the dark had anything to do with keeping her safe. The show can say that's the reason, but like everything else with Laurel/Oliver, there's a very serious show vs. tell problem. As soon as Slade rolled into town and showed up at Oliver's house, he should have started telling people Slade was bad news. He knew that Slade was privy to the details of his past relationship with Laurel and he still couldn't be bothered to tell her.
This is especially idiotic since we find out in the finale that during their last fight on the island, Slade specifically lists all the people he's going to take away from Oliver, AND LAUREL WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. God, he's such a moron. The whole concept of keeping secrets to keep people safe is so stupid since, hey...this person's coming for you but I'm not going to give you a clue so you won't be on your guard/suspicious/on the lookout, and when he's around you'll have no idea, okay? LOVE YOU, MEAN IT, BYE.
Like, how many times has Laurel been a target? Granted, it's not always due to her association with Arrow, but...anyway. Whatever the show tries to sell, I think he didn't tell her for self-preservation reasons. She had such a crush on Arrow in the first season, I can understand him keeping it a secret because he wanted Laurel to love HIM. The second season, she turned on him so quickly, I don't blame him for not revealing himself, especially when Laurel was in the midst of her addiction. Do I think for a second that any of Oliver's reasons had anything to do with Laurel's safety? Nah. Not one bit.
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I always viewed Oliver not telling Laurel as a way to keep her out of danger. Knowing the secret might put them in danger in Oliver's mind..which is why he never told Thea, Moira, was never planning on telling Tommy.
I would probably buy this if she hadn't been kidnapped/had her home broken into eleventy billion times. In this instance, telling her would have made her safer.
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Given the season finale, everyone else could have been scared or killed off by the Strokes. Laurel could be the only person left in the DA's office with any seniority at all and be appointed to some position, even if just temporarily, by virtue of being the only person around able and willing to do the job.
They must've literally killed everyone though, because she hadn't even been there a year, haha. I'm not too worried about it - I figured she'd be DA ever since KS bit it.
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I just went and looked at the TV Line article from S2, they never gave her title just that she's in the DAs office. However, they did give Donner a title (ADA) so it's possible that Laurel has Kate Spencer's job (which is totally stupid) or it's possible that MG just meant she's in the DAs office still.
Will have to wait and see on that one. It seems odd that they'd talk about Quentin being promoted to Captain but not mention Laurel getting promoted/elected/appointed District Attorney.
I think it's likely that she's DA since MG said, "now that she's a DA." Since she was an Assistant DA last season, the "now that" implies a change of status, but I guess we'll see.
I'd prefer if she wasn't though, because, well, I was going to say it's utterly ridiculous that she'd be DA, but a lot of this show is utterly ridiculous in both good and bad ways, so...yeah. Kate Spencer died for a reason.
KATE SPENCER DIED SO THAT DA LAUREL LANCE COULD LIVE!!!
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I have to ask again, when/where was it confirmed that she's the DA now? I would like to read the article/interview if anyone has the link.
This is the interview where I read it: http://www.zap2it.com/blogs/arrow_season_3_spoilers_caity_lotz_new_villain_olicity_date-2014-07
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Ahh..I knew the latter but not the former.
Interesting.
It's been referenced before on Arrow I think.
Yeah, I think it's associated with Deadshot in the Arrow 'verse (although i could be wrong about that)
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...Corto?
Corto Maltese - it's the title of the 3rd ep (and a fictional country in the DC universe)
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When was it confirmed that she's DA (taking over Kate Spencer's job)? I've only ever seen the producers say she's in the DAs office (AKA prosecutor).
I thought one of the EPs mentioned it during the CC interviews with regards to her part on Team Arrow and the whole "business partners"/you book 'em, I'll cook 'em scenario.
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Marc Guggenheim: In many ways the season begins in a completely opposite place from where Season 2 began. In Season 2, Oliver was sort of in self-imposed exile, he was mourning the loss of Tommy, things were awkward with Laurel. He wasn't even in Starling City. Season 2 sort of started out with a "Blah, everything sucks" note.
Season 3 is the exact opposite. We come in and everything's coming up Arrow! The team is clicking like you wouldn't believe. Things are great. He's got a relationship cooking with Laurel where it's like "You catch 'em, I cook 'em." Because she's a DA, he's setting them up and she's knocking them down. It's a great deal of fun to see them have this completely new relationship. And in the city, crime is down. The city is finally not falling apart.
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That's her love interest? I looked at it and thought it was Paul Blackthorne. (The wearing of the badge threw me because why would she be wearing a badge other than at the police station?)
No, that's not her love interest. Not sure who he is.
She could have her badge out if she's there on official business. Maybe this Ted Grant is into some kind of legal mess (or one of the kids he mentors is).
It still makes me cackle that she's DA, I mean...really. The electorate/government in Starling City must be chock full of morons - she was co-counsel on (and LOST) the biggest case ever. Gah.
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I am beginning to hate flashbacks. I got some were necessary in season 1 to set things up, but I didn't want to continue spending half or more of the season in the past and on the island and I am not looking forward to spending half or more of the season in Hong Kong. I already KNOW Oliver Queen is a badass with a bow, I don't need to see episode after episode of him very slowly turning into the character he is now, which is the one I actually want to watch.
Seriously. Plus, the way they edit them in, a lot of times it takes the tension right out of the current events, because the storyline keeps getting interrupted to go back to the past. We already know Oliver lives through whatever, so...
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All the Olicity info released thus far has served to a) reel in some people who felt like they'd been tricked by the finale, and b) get the loudest group of fans talking and excited about the show. All we really know is that Oliver and Felicity love each other, they go on a date, and it's over by the end of the first episode. The producers have managed to create a spectacular amount of buzz without giving away hardly any information (all while tempering the expectations of that group of fans), which is, I'm sure, every show's dream. Oliver and Felicity generated a ton of buzz last year considering their "moments" amounted to three or four minutes *tops* every few episodes - and there were quite a few where they barely interacted at all. Yes, it seems like Oliver's feelings for Felicity are going to be the impetus for some personal growth this season, but I think it'll be part of the theme for the season, not the main story for the season.
I don't think anyone needs to worry about Olicity/Ray drama overtaking the show. I'd bet the majority of the Ray angst is going to come from him taking over Queen Consolidated and setting his sights on Applied Sciences (and his interest in Felicity professionally - we really don't know how much of a love interest he'll even wind up being). The producers give away so much relationship information because it's a relatively small part of the show and it has the most ravenous/vocal fans. It's the easiest give/take there is - a win/win situation if there ever was one.
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Spoiler Discussion Thread
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I wonder if that line in Heir to the Demon, where Oliver tells Diggle "If half of the stories I've heard about Ra's al Ghul are true, Sara kills his daughter? We will all pay." is foreshadowing. Not that I necessarily think Sara would kill Nyssa, but...