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Home churches, where you are the one in charge, not a minister, limit the # of opportunities for a Christian who does not follow the movement has to expose you to teachings that are contrary to the beliefs of the movement. There are tons of churches out there that were infilitrated by the IBLP anyway and either fell apart in splits or had a very hard time eliminating it from their teaching. http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2014/01/a-pastors-confession/ To further this limited instruction and exposure to other views, Bill Gothard discourages college. Not just secular college. As I understand it, Christian schools & colleges are often considered worse. The only reason I can speculate is that he fears that the young people who've grown up in his organization will end up at a Christian college that requires them to take a Bible class that will punch holes in his lifestyle guidelines. In fact, there are some IBLP families that are sending their kids to college anyway and that's exactly what is happening. The kids are coming home, showing them the Bible and explaining how the scriptures that Gothard claims support his philosophies of home & family really don't have anything to do with it.

I saw that article, too, but not much of it was new to me. Kai's been pretty outspoken over the years about her experience on the show. I've read several interviews in which she revealed some of the same things. It's also one of the reasons why I stopped watching TBL two or three seasons ago (though I did make an exception when one of the contestants was someone I graduated high school with). I just felt that the show sets a poor example for realistic weight loss.

Did anyone else find that it was easy to predict the contestants who would be chopped in the first two rounds? First round: missing egg...on top of just scattering the broken onion chips on top. Second round: overcooked fish (and, to be honest, I was wondering if they would call her for not "transforming" the asparagus) Third round: Was up in the air until George was so sure he had it... I also think they weren't impressed with his intentions for the money.

The IBLP philosophy emphasizes the countenance as representative of the inside attitude. Someone with a "dark" countenance is rebelling.

In my nondenominational Christian church, we have children's programming and teen groups. Our bulletins encourage people to take advantage of these programs as the kids will be much happier there where there's music, games and age-appropriate lessons, rather than in the service. This thread is a very good idea. Understanding the Duggars must include understanding the philosophy behind their worldview.

Denver Pyle was in season five's "Black Leather Jackets". He went on to play Briscoe Darling on "The Andy Griffith Show" and Uncle Jesse on "The Dukes of Hazzard". Speaking of the Dukes, James Best, who also had a couple of episodes of Andy Griffith under his belt, and went on to play Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane, appeared in season three's "The Grave" and "The Last Rites of Jeff Myrtlebank", then season four's "Jess-Belle".

"Walking Distance". Beautiful narration, beautiful music, beautiful story.

Rustic cabin, audio recordings and more framed photos of himself on display than most men would ever have. Discuss.

It really fit with the theme of the entire show. It was Ellie's hometown. The place where she knew everyone. Wasn't that her constant refrain, "I know this person"? Then, as the course of the show goes on, she finds out more and more about the people she thought she knew: Mark, Jack Marshall, Nigel. But at least she could go home and get away from this strange new place where no one was as they seemed. The reveal of Joe as the killer was just the final straw that broke Ellie's view of the small seaside town where she thought she knew everybody.

Ahhhhhhhhhh, a mline joke then. My bad.

When Charles objects to Caroline working for Nellie, he says he won't have her working for "that woman" (meaning Harriet). Caroline says she wouldn't be working for her, but for Nellie: Charles: Well, apart from a few pounds, what's the difference?

Understood. If I recall correctly, the money was found after Edwards left. He showed up unexpectedly, was stunned to see Mary was blind, visited for awhile, took off and the money was found right after that. It was assumed he slipped it where it would be found but didn't want to make a show of giving it to her. Again, don't know if the incident actually happened or if this was one of those for-dramatic-effect changes Laura was convinced to make when writing her books.

Wanderwoman, thanks for clarifying that. I wasn't really accusing anyone here of animosity so much as I've found a lot of it on the web in general. I remember another website in which a discussion took place after an episode in which the family attended Grandpa Duggar's funeral. Because the members of the forum didn't like Joshua Duggar, they started criticizing the speech he was going to make at the funeral and resorted to questioning whether or not Grandpa had earned his WWII medals. When I suggested that, maybe, questioning whether a WWII vet earned his medals was not really appropriate, I was warned by the moderator not to tell people what they could or couldn't post. :rolleyes: So, I've seen what I would consider a lot of unfair derision directed at the Duggars for minor issues that the accusers would probably overlook in someone that doesn't follow the IBLP/ATI/Quiverfull philosophy. That's why I thanked all4mom above for pointing out that lots of people have just catastrophic insurance, that it's not specific to the Duggars' peculiar worldview and is a perfectly valid financial choice. That being said, I do believe that the spending ten years on television (very likely with little to no direct compensation to the children. I'm sure almost all the money is paid directly to Jim-Bob as children cannot sign contracts) is harmful to the kids. The legalistic atmosphere under which they are raised has severely underprepared them for life in the real world, up to and including the lack of educational opportunities, the limited freedom for the adult children and unrealistic view of marriage & family relationships. I'm convinced that, eventually, one of the Duggar girls is going to find herself in an unhappy marriage . It would be sad to have her save even hand-holding for marriage only to end up divorced and living with one of her brothers.

and Brother Alden didn't have a wife for one day either!

And yet you'd be surprised how often it is violated. I can think of a number of scenarios where Jana or any other Duggar kid would find that it's not so easy to sneak around the parents. Here are the most likely: * An employee of a clinic or facility goes home and tells their family member, neighbor or friend that a Duggar kid came in and asked about birth control. It goes all around that small town they live in faster than it would take Michelle to think about having another child. * Someone spots her entering a clinic and recognizes her. It wouldn't be hard. Before long, "Duggar Kid Visits Planned Parenthood" goes viral on FB or Twitter or YouTube. People happily joke about what hypocrites the family members are. Jana's privacy is completely blown. I agree with the original poster. Any Duggar kid doing anything out of the ordinary would have to go far away to keep their privacy. And only then if no one there watches the show and recognizes them.

All4mom, thank you for saying what you did. Not everything Jim-Bob and Michelle do is off-the-wall or morally questionable. I do not agree with the Gothard-twisting of Christianity that the Duggars follow and I'm sure at least one of those kids is going to break away eventually, but the animosity that is shown toward this family can reach a ridiculous extreme sometimes.

Yes, I'd forgotten completely about Alan Napier in "Passage on the Lady Anne"! Thanks! But Cloris Leachman played Anthony's mother in "It's a Good Life", not Billy's mother in "Long Distance Call".

The Real Life Mr. Edwards met them in Kansas so that part of the pilot was correct. But, according to the books, at least, the family didn't see him again, but for one incident in De Smet where he showed up and left Mary some money without saying anything. Whether that incident ever actually happened or was added in for affect, I don't know. But it is not true that Mr. Edwards was a consistent figure in their lives for years.

I really enjoyed this episode. It had all the marks of a typical "Chopped" episodes. The entree round was hilarious: one hair, one undercooked protein, one forgotten basket ingredient. Oh, and that whole bit about Kyle cutting himself meaning that he could potentially be chopped? Ridiculous! They should know by now that cutting oneself isn't a chopped offense, it's leaving blood on the plate or on the food that causes a choppable situation! Since he cleaned up, removed the cutting board and didn't get blood on the plate, his cutting himself was not going to be a problem for him.

He also played Digger Barnes on "Dallas". Speaking of Batman villains: Burgess Meredith appeared four times on "The Twilight Zone": season one's "Time Enough at Last", season two's "Mr. Dingle the Strong" and "The Obsolete Man" and season four's "Printer's Devil" before he played the Penguin. Julie Newmar appeared in season four's "Of Late I Think of Cliiffordville". Roddy McDowell (The Bookworm) showed up in season one's "People Are Alike All Over". H.M. Wynant played David Ellington in season three's "The Howling Man". He later turned up as a minion of Mr. Freeze. (yeah, we're stretching the future star aspect here) And, not a villain, but Stafford Repp (Chief O'Hara) showed up in the season two "Nick of Time" with William Shatner.

Real name Nostradamus. Mom is an old sea salt. Wrote a disturbing children's book. Discuss.

I have seen it on the SyFy marathons, though, and it is also on the DVD collection. James Doohan who played Scotty on "Star Trek" appeared in season four's "Valley of the Shadow", William Shatner appeared in season two's "Nick of Time" and the legendary "Nightmare at 20,000 Feet" from season five, while Leonard Nimoy was seen in season three's "A Quality of Mercy".

Yes, Eliza Jane Wilder was a strict teacher who was misled by Nellie Oleson into thinking that Laura felt Pa's being on the school board gave her special privileges. I don't know that they ever became really good friends, but it appears that Laura grew up and accepted that EJ was part of the Wilder family, regardless.

John Astin from "The Addams Family" was in season two's "A Hundred Yards Over the Rim". So was Ed Platt who played The Chief on "Get Smart".

The Ingalls never adopted any children. There was an Ingalls cousin named Albert, but he was never taken in by the family. No Jason Bateman or Missy Francis either.